Asus G51Jx Owners Lounge

shinakuma9 wrote: "Wow the gpu runs at 58c idle
is that normal?"

You'll have to get used to a whole different temp range for your new Asus Core i7 720QM/nVidia GTS-360M-equipped notebook vs the old Toyota notebook...errr Toshiba notebook, as I always get those confused. Hah!

The G51's CPU and GPU share a common full-bore copper heat sink, and it's HUGE, too, so their temps will mirror each other for starters. The fan is a single high-speed fan and it ranges from 2500RPM's at near idle, to as high as 5500RPM's at extreme Turbo setting, with an overclocked GPU and playing a difficult game, bench testing, et al. The fan has a whole series of "gears" it seems, also, seamless "gears" it shifts into at a moment's notice for cooling's sake, and it *can* surprise you so be ready for fan action that is extreme, also.

The Thermal Insulation Material (TIM) needs to "break-in" with your new notebook, also, and that means it seats-up and changes composition somewhat in a couple of days of use, the harder you use it the quicker it sets up and "breaks-in", and if yours is like most of the notebooks in this group Asus has used Thermal Paper instead of TIM on the CPU and GPU, specifically TIM which has an adhesive side to stick to the CPU/GPU, and a non-sticky side so that the thermal material does its job properly transmitting the heat BTU's from the CPU/GPU to the heat sink correctly, the fan blows on the heat sink, and the hot air exits the left vent of the notebook.

That vent can get HOT and the surrounding areas also, so BEWARE of it! Learn to use a cooling pad with your new notebook, ideally is my standard suggestion for its use, at all times you can do such a thing---your temps will drop 10-degrees or more with such a cooling pad. I recommend the Logitech N100 for simplicity's sake, and for long-life and no maintenance too, check it out here:

Amazon.com: Logitech Notebook Cooling Pad N100 (Gray): Electronics: Reviews, Prices & more

I like it because there are no switches at all; there's a single low-RPM fan placed at the top of the unit since heat rises there, and it works best placed there in literally all notebooks I am aware of. Simple USB plug-in for the fan, also, and about a 2.5-degree tilt angle (purrfect) to the cool pad also, which I like for ergonomic reasons. YMMV, but that's my cool pad of choice, anyway use something with this notebook because it demands it, in fact, as the vents are on the bottom of the notebook, keyboard also, and if you keep them covered up or place the laptop *on your lap* and clothes consequently, it tends to heat up a bunch and the CPU/GPU will be in areas they don't need to be in, your choice: use one, or suffer accordingly.

What else? Learn about P4G of course, and sync those settings with the Advanced Energy Saver settings in the Windows CP or things will *not* work together nicely, you'll quickly find that out. All settings are customizable, adjustable, and they *should agree* with Advanced Settings in the Win 7 CP or things just won't work at all right.

After you experience the notebook in its OEM state awhile you may grow tired of its performance, or lack of it, shall I say, and a Clean Install is the only answer in reality. I wrote a nice guide for everyone regarding this particular notebook's Clean Install, which you can easily find, it's linked on the 1st page of this Forum. If you use it you'll have an easy time of it; if you want to experiment be my guest, but I think everyone here will advise you to use that guide as it works a treat.

You will have a ton of questions, I'm pretty sure, as time goes on and you learn more about the notebook and its performance, so ask away, we're here to help, although you'll find literally most things already answered here in this Forum's pages, Search is your friend, as usual.

Enjoy your new notebook, and welcome to our little Club here, it's got some great people in it and everybody means to be helpful to a one, so congratulations on the new $999 special you stole from some poor retailer up in Canada I guess...you got a great buy and a LOT for your Cdn $$'s!

 

really? the g51jx review said that it can be controlled.

 

Sorry, review was WRONG! They often are...

What review did you read pray tell? Those outside lights are controlled by literally nothing, they are just "On" permanently, end of story.

Our reviews here tend to be spot on, you'll find out soon enough about the "reviews" at magazines, online blogs, and the like. This place has a bunch of quality people doing quality assessments, and I like to think that our findings are pretty legitimate overall.

 

the one on the front page of this thread actually. He said the lights can be controlled.

 

Guys I have finally done it, I have done what I thought was impossible, I have gotten to:
Core Clock: 610Mhz
Shader Clock:1467Mhz
Memory Clock: 1800Mhz
3DMark Score 10060 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4203
SM 3.0 Score 4253
CPU Score 3159

I may try to go higher, but I'm done for today, and I can't do any tommorow cause I got a database to finish
Thx for all teh help rex I may try these settings in games to see if they are exactly stable

 

Your efforts, which have obviously been slow, steady progress up to where you are now, are just fantastic, and that is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered for you learning how to do this new craft of overclocking the GPU!

Way to go, Jack!

It does take some *time* before you can call a setting "good to go", as you are discovering, but once it's Golden, you can rest assured that it's solidly in da house, and you can step up, gingerly, carefully to the next level, and once achieved test it, get it down, repeat, rinse, repeat, etc. until you're getting somewhere! And lo and behold, look at where you've gotten your GPU! Higher than 10K Points!

You are apparently proceeding the correct way, you listened to my explanations and are using them well, and right now things are going great, so continue on upward as long as you feel comfy and safe there. Overall I am just tickled pink to see a novice like yourself at this craft getting somewhere and that somewhere is Up, Up, and further Up as the time has gone on this afternoon!

I told you it would take a little time, and it has, but look at those solid, stable, and surely good to go Mhz ratings you are at now!

Most of all you are getting the hang of doing it, and using that slow, steady "upclock, then test with OCCT, then test with 3DMark06," regimen down pat, and it feels great, doesn't it?

I can only wish you more, continued and fantastic good fortune as you get farther up into the Mhz and it continues to work for you, as you will find it *does* continue to work if you're slow, methodical, relentless, and most of all C A R E F U L in your efforts, because video cards are precious things, and randomly just tossing them "a bone" Mhz number and seeing if it sticks is NOT the way to proceed!

You're doing great, continue on when you have the time to do so just like you've been doing, and do NOT change a thing about your methods, they are correct and working xlnt too... I want this to keep going and continue to work for you slowly, surely, and before you know it you'll be at 10,500+ Points in 3DMark06, with a solid, stable, Mhz for each step along the way!

You'll *know* that you got there legitimately, slowly, surely, and with the craft of a scientist...because that is what you are using, a version of the "scientific method" that all great discoveries and winning formulas relied on to reach their elusive goals!

I am so proud of you, just keep it up and continue onward and upward to the limits of that video board and your controls, because it is achievable, and you are doing it THE RIGHT WAY!

Congratulations!

 

+1 to that

 

oh man im getting around 93c peak on my gts 360m on starcraft 2. Im not used to such temps, they are scary! Whats the max(danger zone/critical temps) that i should avoid?

The owners manual says that the notebook should be at 95c.

 

Hi, thx for replying.

I have already tried with a different cable and it still doesn't work. I even tried one of the nicer ("ULTRA" brand) cables and didn't help. I have other laptops (including AW M11x) which work just fine when hooking them up to my TV using the same HDMI cable.

Anyone else has any more information regarding this? please help!!

 

well the review is a LIE!, haha I think the older version g50 / g60 have that console software which can control those led light, but don't know why they took it out on our g51.

The gpu should be able to take it to 105c before it actually shut down itself, don't take my words for it tho.

hmmmm then I really don't know, I have been having problem too along with couple other owners here, we couldn't narrow it down on what's the cause.

 

Two things:

1) are you using a Cooling Pad of some kind, at least elevating the laptop off of the surface it's on?

2) what is the ambient room temp there where you are gaming? If you are playing a game in a room with ambient temperature that is higher than 80-degrees F (26.67-degrees Celsius or higher) you may experience GPU temps that border on the limit for practical purposes, which is about 95-degrees Celsius...with TJ Max being 105-degrees Celsius in the GPU by the way!

Now the CPU AND the GPU will "protect themselves" if maximum Delta is reached, and we call this temperature fyi "TJ MAX" in both Real Temp, Everest, and other utilities...the CPU/GPU will begin to throttle down automatically at any temperature higher than its TJ Max.

For the CPU TJMax is 100-degrees Celsius; for the GPU TJMax is 105-degrees Celsius. Both devices are CERTIFIED to operate at up to that temperature, so there is basically no worry involved with achieving temperatures that are close to TJ Max, in theory anyway this is true.

Yes, true, it IS scary if you are not used to such temps, and you think that things are going badly, and in some respects they ARE going badly if you are reaching such temps easily, and involuntarily, each time you play a particular game for example, like your Starcraft2 Game, which I imagine you enjoy a LOT because it's a great game!

My advice is go ahead and play the game, it is good for your TIM break-in period, and temps should go down 3-5 degrees Celsius after the break-in procedure is finished.

We have Mr. 253 here who lives in Singapore, where ambient room temps where he lives reach upward of 90-degrees F, and his GPU has been known to achieve more than 96-degrees C and it continues to function 100% aok fine, for example of one extreme user here in this group. So in reality your worries should be few and far between, but of course you in your mind are thinking "It's going to RUIN MY GPU/CPU!!!" And that is understandable, honestly it is.

But please, go ahead and trust the temp controller mechanism in the notebook, and play your game, it's going to be aok fine, it really is! Remember that the GPU can hit 105-degrees before it begins to shut down, as I recall, and the CPU 100-degrees C before it begins to shut Cores down to cool itself, and I have experienced this myself when overclocking my desktop CPU's for example, where I have Core i7 920 CPU's in an overclocked envirnoment and I have seen temps of up to 97 sustained degrees when certifying my server desktop with LinX 0.6.3 for a very good example, with 12GB of RAM running in the machine (now it runs 24GB RAM so it's even crazier that the example I am giving you here!), and I experienced some throttling down of the Cores (8 Cores active with HyperThreading in action) @ 4431Mhz (4.431Ghz speed), some 2.5 hours into the LinX certification tests, and the CPU survived to work another day...in fact it works @ 4210Mhz or 4.2Ghz 24/7 365 days a year in my photography studio, fyi! On AIR no H20 Cooling involved also!

But that is neither here nor there for this CPU and we need to concentrate on your issue with the GPU, sorry about that, but I tend to give examples where my mind takes me when writing, so my bad!

I don't want you to unnecessarily worry about the GPU @ 93-95-degrees Celsius in that game because it will take care of itself, push comes to shove, trust me it will! Ideally once the TIM break-in is 100% complete you should see a reduction in such temps, about 3-5 degrees is typical post break-in procedure, and yet again you will maybe see 90-degrees at peak temps even then, and again, I don't want you to worry about it, just play the game and enjoy it!

If Mr. 253's GPU can and has gone in extended periods @ or about 96-degrees C playing GTA:IV, without damaging anything, then you have no worries with your GPU hitting 93-degrees in Starcraft2!

Believe me I know what I write about, these thermal tendencies of the Core i7 CPU's is legendary, and I am an expert overclocker over at EVGA.com, where I am a member of the overclocking Forum there. I hold the highest certified 12GB overclocking on AIR to this day there at EVGA.com, nobody has ever broken my record of 4415Mhz sustained in LinX 0.6.3 for some 20 iterations, which took almost 4 solid hours of running LinX @ that lofty 4.4Ghz speed, and the CPU is fine right now, working away in my studio right next to me here in fact, it's just fine!

That overclocking certification occurred last 2009 summer, so give yourself a break here and do not worry about a little 93-degrees overclocking in the GPU in the new Core i7 720-QM equipped nVidia GTS-360M GPU notebook computer! You are going to be fine, and so is the notebook, ok?

Just try and adjust to a new level of comfortability with your GPU and CPU's now because living with higher than "normal" temps is going to be reality for you and your notebook now, since you have what you have! Relax, and trust the electronics to protect themselves and each other because you now own a very sophisticated product, and it will be doing this at extreme operating temps and will be just fine, just fine!

Take care ,and don't worry so much about the temps at this time, and try and use a Cooling Pad if possible at all times when gaming especially in these high demand GPU games like Starcract2, COD:WAW, GTA:IV, games like those will demand a LOT out of the GPU and it will survive the games and the temps!!!

I am not making light of any of this, because it can become a serious situation if the temps are sustained over a long period of time, but they will not be, you are not going to be damaging anything with game play, as game play has only sporadic or limited maximum temps situations, it's not like testing with Folding@Home @ 100% Load, like I do with my CPUs and GPUs both! And still, my machines are working fine, and they tolerate my overclocking demands, and so will yours!

I hope that this has helped you a little bit, but still I know you are worried, but DO NOT BE!! The GPU will take care of itself, as will your CPU!

Go ahead and play your games, and don't worry about the temps, as the worst thing that is going to happen is some throttling down if it goes above 105-degrees C and I doubt that that is going to happen!

Good luck, and worry less!!

 

ok i just ran another quick run on starcraft 2 with some more results.

Basically this is what happens.
The fan runs around 70-80% until the gpu hits 90c, then it goes to 100% and the gpu temp goes back down to 86-88 and it keeps going like that in a loop.

Is there a fan control for this so i can run it at 100% all the time and see what happens?

 

Trust me you don't want it to run 100% all the time, its so noisy, just leave the fan as it is and stop worrying, mine does the exact same thing, and I dont worry about it... matter of fact I run at 91 on most of my games...

 

No one else has experienced issues hooking up this laptop to an LCD tv via HDMI???!!!!

Pls help me!!! The tv is listed in NVidias control panel but nothing comes up on the screen. This same tv and cable work with other computers via HDMI. I have downloaded the latest NVidia drivers compatible with GeForce 360M chipset..

Someone help me!!!!!

 

I am also at the same stage as you bud, my laptop does the exact same thing, the settings are applied, the lcd is detected, but nothing appears on screen

 

My HDMI works 100% of the time, @ 100% functionality, no issues whatsoever, so HOW do I help somebody whose HDMI capability is zilch, nada, nothing? I cannot help at all unfortunately, wish I could but the only advice I can give is the same I gave the others who asked me to explain why my setup works all the time, every time, at 100% functionality, and I cannot!

There is no magic formula to "fix" bad HDMI to TV output, there are no secrets to having it work, it either does or does NOT! If I knew how to help you I would, but I don't, I am sorry, but that is the way it is.

Can you call Asus Tech Support wherever you are and tell them what is going on, or not going on, and see if they have a fix for you? That would be my suggestion at this point because I cannot give you any advice that will make things snap to grid and work 100% of the time like mine does.

And I have Samsung HDTV's on top of everything else, which is the brand that *doesn't work* 90% of the time, or so the posters tell me...go figure! Mine work perfect! Every time! End of story...!

If anybody could magically tell you what to do to fix this issue they would, but demanding that somebody "Please Help Me!!"" over and over again isn't going to get you anything at all when nobody knows what to do TO help you!

I am sorry, but life isn't fair at times, and this is one of them unfortunately...wish I had some answer, some resolute way to make your notebook's HDMI output work with your HDTV, but there is none: it either works, or it does not, and you are of the latter category unfortunately.

We all wish there was a fix for this, honestly we do, but there is nothing anybody can do to help you at this time as nobody knows what the problem originates from! Either works, or does not, simple answer, simple statement!

Please call your local Asus Tech Support and see what they have to suggest for your problem, that is all I can tell you to do that nobody else has done...

Good luck, and may God Bless...

 

Have any of you guys tried pressing Fn + F8?

Does the trick for me if there is an issue sometimes.

My 2 cents.

Also, my G51Jx-A1 with the free bag and razor abyssus mouse and free bag of jelly beans because of a little hiccup with the power cable set me back $1899 here in Australia. It was a steal from LBO (Logical Blue One). It was one of the two places in Aus selling it for anything under $2k+. Majority were priced the same as the G73-Jx ($2.5K) and still are.

P.S. Woot for parity and the Australian dollar the other day.

 

I had one shot to do this, just one, and it happened!

10,905 3DMarks

I wouldn't want to do this to my *new* graphiX card but just this
one time, and that's all she wrote. Great GTS-360M video card!

Later Guys and Gals, if any

 

Figured Id give it a go considering I haven't in a while.

The result I got in 3DMark06 with 600, 2000, 1600 was...

10,501 3DMarks

First test with moderate over clock.

I also have the 2nd revision code in everest.

 

MrGMcD, that is a very nice score for a modest overclock like that...you have a good card also...

However, it's the last couple hundred that get really hard to get, and keep the machine stable and the driver functioning!

I gave it one last shot to hit 11K tonight, and but for my CPU score would have been there, but what the Hay! 10,942 3DMarks is nothing to sneeze at, and if I do it again some day I might hit the 11K mark after all. Just have to get the right points total in my CPU score, which was "off" a little in that test, for some unknown reason, as that normally stays stable.

I've tested enough this weekend, and swore it off twice, and now I really am swearing it off until further notice with this final post.

I came so awfully close to the 11K mark that it begs for more work, but alas I do NOT want to damage my video card by overclocking it too much, so I quit!

Have a good Sunday everyone, I'll be at the beach in Malibu taking my wife to lunch at our favorite restaurant there, called Paradise Cove Cafe and Grill...best seafood in Malibu by far, and I'm gonna get me some...

 

@rexrzer727, I beat your score! Haha! I got 10961 3DMarks with the GPU clocked at only 630/1610/2100! Your higher clocks seems to have a negative effect! Just to let you know, Extreme Turbo is enabled and Throttling disabled! And this is with an external 2.5" hard disk plugged in! I shall try slightly higher clocks to see if I ever hit 11000!



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Just did another run @ 632/1610/2100 with my external drive removed. Wait for it... 10983 3DMarks! Maybe 633/1610/2100 will break the 11K mark! I've tried 635 but it crashed. Maybe 634 will still work!



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Crzy, just make sure you arn't damaging anything

 

Hey guys again..
Do you know if there's any way with SOFTWARE to switch ON/OFF the backlight of the lap? ( ROG logo + 2 side lights ) ?
The integral F3+F4 change only the keybaord lights...

Thanks for any help.

 

Try a search next time, it was answered like 1 page ago ...

 

Just confirmed that my current settings in EVGA, are very stable, I might try up indivisual settings like Shader and Memory. But right after I finish this database (Blah!!!!)
Sig Teemo so cute!

 

Is there a performance difference between the 1066MHz RAM and 1333MHz?
I've heard that the latencies are longer for the 1333MHz and therefore it might even be worse. My G51JX-X5 has 1333MHz (9-9-9-24)

Anyone know how big the difference is, and what the latencies of the 1066MHz are?
Thanks

 

It's probably a moot point since all of the G51Jx machines were delivered with the 1333MHz RAM.