AW haters

I think that you didn't understand my post, I'm a 100% agreed with him, not against him.

And that's exactly what made me spend those $2,400 5 years ago! I totally underatand you!

 

I understood your post, which was on perfectly on point. I wasn't referring to your post, Rotary Heart

 

OK guys. Now that everyone has that out of their system (hopefully) let's stop analyzing the Apple thing and focus on AW Haters. I think we have already burned enough calories on Apple-related debates.

Here's a link to the Apple forums for further discussion: Apple Forum and Mac OS Forum

 

Battery life on the r2 can be as much as 6 hours running on integrated and power savings

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Damn, looks like I'll have to tune into WWE for my popcorn action tonight...

 

Damn! Now that I would not have expected.

 

I do a lot of traveling; admittedly, primarily for work....but I have yet to encounter another AW laptop in person, anywhere that I've been. Now, that may be a function of the places I go...and the fact that they are businesses.... I have seen examples of just about everything else under the sun.....'ell, I've got a client that is still running Win 95 and will not change....something to do with a software package they have/use. But, I haven't personally seen another AW laptop (other than my own) in the wild. Makes me think that they are kind of rare.

 

Indeed, we are a special breed. Maybe the fact that we "breath" Alienaware--we are often use ours and spend some time in this forum-- makes that the norm for us, while many around still use an earlier version of Windows or are happy with their ultrabook. In my years as IT I have often encountered people that they didn't upgrade because (like you said) certain applications they use wouldn't work in anything else than Win98 or XP as well as the fact that they thought that's all they need--why change? We are enthusiasts, and even among us there are those who are completely absorbed and have a "Alienware vocation." But it's still interesting to me that while I have yet to see another Alienwarrior, most people recognize the brand when they see mine. It's typical for me hearing: "oh, is that an Alienware?"

We will slowly conquer the world. Have you ever heard of the sci-fi movie They Live Among Us? That's us

 

On occasion, someone will see what the lappy is and the discussion goes off on the usual tangents. One individual took the tangent of Area 51 and asked me " Do you think aliens really came to earth?" Whereupon I answered " We are here." The individual didn't catch the comment ....someone else in the room did ...and spewed coffee through his nose.....the individual's boss........

Edit: Yep, loved the movie..

 

Never understood the 'hate' for AW either. I was trying to decide between the last version of the 17 and the sager np9170 that I eventually bought. Had a chance to actually use the machine in my local costco! Great bit of kit, nice BIOS options, etc. Eventually went with my sager as it was a few hundred $ cheaper (even after calling up AW to haggle) and I actually like the plain styling a bit better. But absolutely no 'hate' for not having one nor do i think that is foolish to buy one because of the price. I'm sure I'll be comparing AW to Clevo again down the road.

 

Man this post gave me cancer.

AW fanboys...

I see hundreds of laptops @ my campus every day, not a single AW seen in 3 weeks since i started

 

Ajfountains... love your profile pic! Green Tree Python? I love arboreal snakes, I've had a few myself over the years.

 

Similar situation at most colleges..Not many people like to lug around these huge and mostly heavy laptops...during my entire year at college I have only encountered one person with an AW, Lenovo y500 and another with an ASUS ROG.

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I suspect most either don't have the money or they are completely ignorant about how superior the product is. A few may not even be familiar with the brand name. Most people buy whatever they feel they can afford, which is totally fine if they are satisfied. The downside to owning an Alienware, especially an M18xR1/R2/18, is that it often completely ruins your experience trying to use lesser machines. Aside from the natural tendency for becoming critical of lesser products, the noticeable drop in performance often becomes very difficult to tolerate. The difference in performance and build quality is nothing short of phenomenal. As they say, "ignorance is bliss" and that couldn't be any more true in this example.

Conceptually, I think the same thing can apply here. While they don't come close in comparison to an Alienware, these are still powerful machines compared to the norm. It's hard to be happy with something cheap and anemic once you grow accustom to something that performs well, looks and feels better than something completely ordinary. I can see these laptop gamers choosing to take their larger and faster machines out on campus (or on business trips) for exactly the same reasons the Alienware owner does. The bottom line is, the real gamers and power user really don't give a rip about what anyone else thinks about their beast. Personal contentment is found in the smug realization that those haters are simply stupid and pitiful people that lack social intelligence.

The "huge and heavy" excuse is a common one, and it is frequently (not always) an expression of an individual's ignorance. People being critical of something not experienced and not understood is almost expected, and especially so coming from some of the immature Facebook-trolling hater types.

There is a place for everyone, whether they are...

elite, or...

...ordinary.

 

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Quoted from Mike Reed's "Flame Warriors" at Flame Warriors Home...
" Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters."

 

Biggest thing ive seen so far would be a 17 inch ASUS ROG.

 

I couldn't agree more with what you said there.

I left my M17 for a weak and a half with my girlfriend and she used it almost every day, when I was packing it to bring it back home she had that face: ":'( Are you really taking it with you?" Of course she didn't say nothing, she knows that I need it for work and collage. Then the other day we was talking in the phone and she said: "Common stupid computer load the program." lol! She start insulting her laptop which she said: "I think that I won't buy other laptop until a few years, because this is good enough for me" until she used mine and now she said: "I think I need an Alienware too". :thumbsup:

At the end, we are looking for a M17x for she, lol!.

Also I have studied in 3 different collages so far and only in my first collage I saw 3 AW back in 2009. . Of course that doesn't stop people from knowing what an AW is, almost everyday a different person come to me asking me about the laptop and if I'm selling it.

 

Did HP have a 20 or 21 inch portable a few years back? I seem to remember something that kinda folded up...never saw one.....my memory could be playing tricks....thought I remember reading about it...

 

Bought an AW for college. I wanted to get something besides the typical Thinkpads and Macbooks. Besides, my University absorbed the cost, so I cannot say that it is a waste of money. One of the advantages of a so-called top-tier college: the "haters" hide in closets.

It seems solid so far, but reading about so many bad experiences has soured me to the brand somewhat. I hope that I don't have problems.

 

True, some have had problems, but sooner or later, one way or another, technology fails us. Support and warranty make a big difference here.

Alienware provides, with no doubt, the best support around. Most of those who expended problems have always found a way to solve them by either relying on AW support or through help provided by fellow members here on the board. Of course, many others never had a single issue. So, all things considered getting an Alienware is a win-win investment.

 

Yes, the HDX Dragon laptop. An awesome thing to look at. Unfortunately, it is still an HP and my least favorite computer brand. I have a private HP boycott going on because every single HP product I have ever owned has failed prematurely (I have had many) and HP was always hideous to deal with when the failure was covered under warranty. I wish Alienware had something similar to it. I would definitely consider buying it. Anyhow, here is a link to what you remember: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/515212-hp-hdx-9000-dragon-owners-lounge-part-2-a.html

 

Thank you, sir...absolutely right....absolutely dwarfs the poor girl holding it.....I remember thinking...that is the size of a small drive-in theater...thanks again for the link and refreshing the memories

 

Was playing bf3 last night and opposite team dude says "alienware are and only dumb ppl buy them" I politely asked him to find me a laptop with similar specs and international warranty.

He says get a decent mitx rig and a 24" LCD, I explain that I need something portable and battery powered coz I travel a lot. He goes like buy a cheap laptop or take my desktop with me, I politely tell him, that if I take a mitx rig os with me, it will cost me around $400 in luggage and I do 4-5 os trips.

Well long story short, he spent next 40mins looking for a similar laptop online while we won the round. But the bottom line is, a profound hater spent 40minutes and wasn't able to find anything that fits the aw spot

 

Not sure about the warranty, but the Clevo P3**SM series come pretty damn close. The AW18 though has the benefit of having a bigger chassis thus having better cooling.

 

The thing that's great about AW is international coverage. I have a US bought AW and service Tag and have been covered while here in Japan without even transferring warranty. My replacement GPU's arrived at my door step 12 hours after I called them with the problem. Should I move back home to Oz Ill be covered there too. As long as I'm traveling around I'll probably always stick with AW, all things considered nothing comes close.

 

I must admit that Alienware is indeed the absolute top, the best that you can get, the elitist of the elites etc., and trust me, I would pick an Alienware over anything else anyday, but for people like me who don't like to spend more than €3000 on a laptop/computer, Clevo is a nice alternative.

 

There's nothing wrong with that. If Alienware were to ever stop producing the dual-GPU beast my next purchase would be the Clevo P570WM or whatever their latest SLI best beast would be at the time. Unfortunately, the P570WM is also very expensive when configured with equivalent components... both beyond $4,200 configured like the new 18 I have here.

 

P570(**) is the only laptop (correct me if I am wrong) with a desktop CPU, which makes it one of a kind (and I belive also fun to bench on, espacially for extreme overclockers such as you, Mr.Fox), and pretty expensive. Just like the enormous AW M18 is the only 18" laptop in it's sort. I think it would be pretty cool if Alienware also started to put desktop CPU's in their M18 models, just imagine all the posibilities.

(I admit though, the P570 looks ugly as hell )

I like both brands (Clevo and Alienware) equally. Both have their pros and cons. Sager has the performance at an affordable price, Alienware has the looks and (espacially with the M18) better performance.

 

It looks ugly and it is built poorly in comparison to the Alienware. But, it would still be the best laptop to own (and the one I would buy) if Alienware were to ever do away with the 18" dual-GPU equivalent. Clevo has been famous for having a pretty screwed up and locked up BIOS for a long time, but until Alienware fixes the new 18 BIOS it is also essential no good. I so wish they had left it like the M18xR1/R2 BIOS instead of screwing it up with locked registers and Secure Flash. I hear that Clevo BIOS problems are getting better with help from Prima's mods, but still not where it should be in terms of feature access. My 3920XM overclocks extremely well and in most things the M18xR2 slightly outperforms the Clevo in spite of its desktop CPU. Where the CPU is most important, the 6-core K or X series desktop CPU does have a clear CPU advantage over the 4-core XM. I also wish they would release an Alienware 18" laptop with a desktop CPU like that Clevo. That would be sweet. I don't see a big difference in price between the Clevo flagship and Alienware's flagship. They are very close to the same price. When you get a good deal on the Alienware, it can be purchased for less. If you don't get a good deal and pay the advertised price the Clevo is a little less. I kicked around the idea of buying one not long ago and the maxed out Clevo was more expensive than what I could get a maxed out 18 for by about $200.

 

Sagers and AWs used to have much more of a price difference, in favour of the Sager... But those days have gone. You can easily get a discount on a AW that you can't on a Sager, and they pretty well match with that. It is still unfair to compare the pricing of the P570 with the AW 18, because of the processor.

If you compared it to the P370 directly, you'd find that the AW is more expensive by about $600, but has the better airflow, design, keyboard, and warranty. The Sager will have the better screen, though. Both have 4930XM and 780m SLI, 16gb memory, Win7 Ultimate, and the Sager has the screen and paste upgrades. The P570 would match the cost of the AW if it had the 90% gamut screen, 3970X processor, 780m SLI, 16gb in Quad Channel config, second PSU with coupler for extreme overclocking, and the paste upgrade.

I personally went with Sager for the better screen, but I appreciate AW more.

 

I totaly agree with this.

 

I compare them only because both are the pinnacle each brand has to offer. It is not fair to compare their performance for the same reasons, but I do so because I feel that Alienware need to produce an 18 with the same component options the P570 has. Both are laptops, so it is fair game and the 18 needs to compete in the same gladiator's arena rather than get a pass for having less spectacular specs than a maxed out P570. Having Alienware horn in on their component action with equal specs might also prompt Clevo to do something about the chassis cheapness of the P570. That could be a win for everyone.

I feel the 18 wins overall in the desirability contest by a small margin if for no reasons other than build quality and aesthetics, but it needs to be a win in every category to be completely awesome. It's sad they let this go by another year without showing Clevo who the hardware boss is.

 

If Clevo starts using alloy chassis like Alienware, and stick to being classy like they always had been, then it will be interesting.

But somehow I think it will always feel different, especially when someone comments on the laptop, "ooh it's an Alienware!", vs "ooh it's a Clevo!".

The former gives a fizzing sensation (Top Gear UK reference here)

 

I owned a 9370 for a couple weeks. Sent it back because keyboard flex, quality and it kept crashing BF3. I can honestly say the build quality is not on par with my 18. I am very OCD with computer stuff. Exchanged a macbook air 2 twice because scratches and the hinge wasnt tight enough. My 14 was exchanged 2 times via Amazon because marks etc. I am stupid that way. So for me to say the 18 is build better and is higher quality, I have some medical issues that proves that

 

See, but it's completely unfair to say 'because this was bad, they are all bad.' Like the AW 18 we saw arrive with a crushed bottom plate. And my M18x R2 had more keyboard flex than my P150HM/NP9150.

That being said, the build quality on AW is superior, but not by a major leap and bound. QC is where I think Sager wins, especially if you go with a premium reseller such as Mythlogic, who run real world testing, overclocking testing, benchmarks, monitor calibration, repaste and temp testing. That's definitely something you can't get with AW.

 

Clevo with alloy chassis? Me likes .

Also, about the feeling of having an Alienware, I agree. When I told my friends my new laptop was a Clevo that I had no clue what "it" was hehe.

 

I do love me some Top Gear UK. Shame they had to try and make an american version of it.

As for the Oh It's AW, I get that. But there is also the other side. When my coworkers have seen my clevo, especially with the keyboard lights on random and a dreamscene desktop, they all ask what it is. When i explain that it's a sager/clevo and custom made, it generates the same effect for the most part.

To use a car analogy, I view AW and Clevo as Ferrari and Porsche, respectively. One's a bit flashier, the other is a bit plain, but both are high performance machines. So until I hear about MSI quality going up, or unless Razer starts making a blade with removable components, it's always going to come down to either AW or Sager.

 

I agree. It always comes down to those two brands as far as I am concerned, too. Obviously, I am a huge Alienware fanboy, but if they were to ever stop making the behemoth dual-GPU/Extreme CPU beast I would be automatically switching over to the next best option rather than accepting downgraded specs. If they were to both discontinue their monster DTR laptops I would go back to building my own desktops and just buy inexpensive disposable laptops for reading email and web browsing on business trips. The days of benching and gaming away from home would be over.

 

And when you really think about it, the hardcore dual gpu 17-18 inch notebook crowd is a very, very small niche. I wonder how many 'gaming' notebooks are sold each year, and by gaming i mean acceptable to our crazy levels? The fact that we have more than 1 company trying to serve our needs, let alone 4 (ill be nice and include MSI and Razer) is a good thing.

 

It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it

 

I am actualy wondering the same thing to be honest. Oh well, as long as Clevo/Sager and Alienware keep producing their high-end desktop replacements, you won't hear me complain.

 

Has this always been the case? Did AW not do something like this in the far distant past, when they started out? I had looked at the Mythlogic as an alternative, but no 18" and the warranty wasn't quite as comprehensive...but the concept of individual machine benchmarking and testing was a strong selling point.

 

Unless your are paying extra for extreme overclocked CPU and GPU cherry-picking services that doesn't add a huge value for some people. Otherwise, I'm going to bench the daylights out of it anyway so unless they individually test every Extreme CPU and GPU on their shelves and send me the cream of the crop it's not that helpful.

 

Your area of the country has been experiencing brownouts, have they not?

 

It wouldn't suprise me at all .

 

No brownouts so far, but I have seriously tripped circuit breakers in the house a few while benching with the dual AC adapter.

 

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Back in the days of Alienware being an extreme Clevo (Sager) reseller, you'd be correct!

 

Lol I bet you had a guilty face on after that!

I've actually managed not to trip anything in the house yet but then again we have proper wiring in the UK