*OFFICIAL* Alienware X Series Owners Lounge and Discussion

Can someone use the TechPowerUp tool and confirm that the correct number of shaders is reported for the 3080 (6144)? I hope the X15-17 have not been affected like the M series.

 

That return process went well!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/11104352/

 

Of course he had to criticize the m15 R5. Everyne see Dell went budget and removed features, cheaper quality and capped the graphics TGP vs older models.

New bench results out from x17 R1 (3080 and i9-11980Hk) juli 3 2021 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21276247


Second one from Yesterday. https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21275035

 

Dang. That is mighty sad.

 

Result is terribly bad and GPU temps is hot + CPU score...outch. Feel like where are back a few years in the past.

But at least....it looks good, very beautifull, when it's at idle. That's what matters: LOOKS.

 

Wait, how do I read these scores? Lower is better?

 

The looks are debatable. What about that fugly restricted keyboard, probably because of the additional fans.

I understand there is some market for thin devices. What doesn't make sense is EOLing or dumbing down other product lines just to make the new thin products look better in comparison and promoting them as "flagships". The whole notion of a flagship is stupid if you don't have several products within a class/line.

They should have 3 distinct product lines, with each product within these lines being the class-flagship:
* DTR (Area 51M: best raw performance and upgradability)
* Mobile Pro (m-series: great battery life, upgradeability, best mobile performance on the market)
* Extra-thin (x-series: well, thinnest)

Just make each of these lines the best they can be.

Hope the current "thin-first" strategy costs them a lot of money.

 

Ouch, that's brutal. On the other hand, it will give them extra time to double-check the hardware and coolant in preparation for the incoming thermal load

 

yes, an interesting offer. the price starts at $2000, and then a large number of options are available
on the other hand, the A5000 Mobile is the same as the 3080 Mobile. there are also 6144 CU. so the only advantages are 4 RAM slots and 4 m.2 slots

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...0-laptop/xctop776017us_vp?view=configurations

 

big yikes. Score is about identical to my 2 year old 51m lol.

 

Bad Cpu score for that kind of laptop, also no numberpad, which is a big letdown.

 

Yep, wasn’t 51m their former flagship as well?

 

Yessir. That was their future..sad they ended it.

 

erm.

X17
With FHD 165Hz or UHD 120Hz displays:
1. Height: 0.843” (21.4mm) 2. Width: 15.718" (399.23mm)| 3. Length: 11.791” (299.49mm)
Starting weight: 6.65 lb (3.02 kg)* | Maximum weight: 7.05 lb (3.2 kg)*

M17 r4
1. Height (Front): 0.6618" (16.9mm) | Height (Peak): 0.87" (22mm) | Height (Rear): 0.8154" (20.71mm) | 2. Width: 15.74" (399.8mm) | 3. Depth: 11.585" (294.26mm)
Starting weight: 5.51 Lbs (2.50 Kg)* | Maximum weight: 6.55 Lbs (2.97 Kg)*

am I wrong saying the X17 is a bigger and heavier laptop?

 

You are not wrong. Another sacrifice. Likewise the x15 has a larger footprint and is heavier than the old m15 R1, for instance. Looks like they completely lost the plot.

 

with those scores I will return it. My Razer 14 get 10,500 time spy and that's a 14! with 100w.

 

Lol, the X17 is 3+ kgs? What's the point of getting a thin, but heavier laptop? This is even heavier than the Asus Scar 17 which is way thicker.

I feel if someone really wants to get a thin and light, the Zephyrus S17 2021 weighs around 2.6 kg which is a lot lighter than the X17, and has better cooling than this X17 joke, judging from initial testing and benchmarks on Youtube, with GPU temps maxing out at 76C in manual mode with max fans. Yes, it features the lower 140W 3080 instead of the 165W 3080 inside the X17, but the X17's poor thermals don't allow it to stretch its legs anyway, resulting in poor scores, whereas the s17 is comfortably scoring 12k in timespy without any problem.

Overall the X17 is the worst laptop to get. If it ain't more portable than an equivalent size 'standard' form factor, what's the point even? It is heavy, it has terrible thermals - the previous gen m15 and m17 were way better. Anyway, the Youtuber Mash IT has got his hands on the X17, so we'll get to know how terribly it fails. We already know it is going to fail; how miserably it fails is the question

 

You know things are super messed up when an undesirable, defective, and poorly designed previous generation product is "better" than the latest. If that is not a wake-up call and a flashing RGB rainbow trash alert, I am not sure what is.

 

I don't understand why anyone would buy the X15 or 17. Was interested when I saw AW was coming out with a new line but as soon as the first details emerged I was instantly turned off, Imagine paying a premium price for:

-A 17-inch laptop with no number pad, because that space is taken up by...

-Two air intakes mounted right next to your hands, making the thing a dust magnet.

-Awkward audio jack positioning for a wired headset.

-Massive side venting. Sacrificing any convenient port locations and probably making for a fun mouse experience as the system exhausts hot air all over your hand. Using a wired mouse will be more awkward because the USB ports are entirely on the rear.

-Two extra fans=two extra points of possible mechanical failure.

-Flipped motherboard again. A negative not from the repasting point of view. (They're using a proprietary TIM, who knows how it holds up long-term) but simply because cleaning a laptop fan is harder from the "back" side that has the cage reinforcements partially blocking the blades. And all that is to say nothing of the classic thin sacrifices of performance and thermals.

It seems like they wanted as thin a device as possible and the X is just a series of extreme design choices to meet that end. Ergonomics and usability be damned, it's not even particularly light. Honestly what I'd want from AW is pretty simple: A 17" laptop that is in between a DTR and a thin 'n light in size, has a numberpad. A non-inverted mobo and a separate set of heat pipes for the CPU and GPU. With all that being inside a chassis that has the same build quality as the M15 and 17 R4. But I guess the market at the moment values these thin and lights above all else, it's just all so disappointing personally. I can only hope the X flops and pushes them to design a more "normal" gaming laptop in AW dressing, but that's doubtful.

 

Form over functional is the primary guiding principle of current turdbook design. None of the OEMs do the right thing anymore. It is not important to them. All that matters is optics and the demented preoccupation with thinner and lighter. Stupid consumers created the issue. They outnumber the intelligent. Now that Pandora's box has been opened, it serves as a fantastic excuse for building and selling crippled and defective garbage.

 

Maybe Dell are using MAC designers. They cornered the market on thin and hot underpowered devices. Pic is the new macbook pro

 

First review out from x17 (11800H and 3070). The graphics scores way lower than the older smaller m15R4 with same GPU. Around 10% lower graphics scores.



And the 3DM Time Spy Physics score is totally wacko as we have seen from the leaked benchmarks with the x17 with i-91980Hk and 3080...



The older smaller m15 R4 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alien...ots-of-power-short-battery-life.531030.0.html


This doesn't bode well for the x15 with the weaker 3070 castrated with 110W TGP.

 

LOL. Ya think. Remember Idiocracy? All you have to do is look at these forums to see the degradation of IQ’s. And just our of curiosity, who do you think opened Pandora’s box?

 

Ok. So throw in a couple sticks of 3466 memory, 3080 GPU, and maybe a faster SSD and see how far it will go.

Day 1 upgrades

 

Hang on, but this is thinner and heavier! While don't personally mind heavier, I'm not sure the people chasing the powerful thin and light mirage, i. e. hoping for a DTR in a Macbook Air form factor, will be impressed!

 

I've not owned a Macbook but man that keyboard does look proportionally hilarious, X17 definitely has shades of this language. How long until Dellienware is making them so thin we have USB-C only?

 

Mr Fox,

Alienware’s have not been good for a long time without tweaking. I bet if you got your hands on one, you could get it close to an r4. You might have to redesign the cooling thru mods but that is what we did back in the day too. The only reason I want one is for the 4K 120hz screen. The 360hz screen on my r4 is atrocious. I moved my 3090 to 5950x build at 4.8 and am reading that once the new tweak tool comes out for the cpu might be able to get 5.0. I have smt off and memory is about 55ns latency. My 10900k is at 5.4 memory latency is 38ns. That rig has a 3080 in it. I am actually quite impressed with gpu score on r4 at close to 14k timespy graphics 24-7 and cpu at 4.2 with -205 under volt.

I guess my point is the screen is what matters to me in the laptop and gaming performance second. Lol

 

If you want to know who the biggest culprit is with PC designs and the driving force behind the architecture look no further then then media. This is what happens when your target audience cares more about the games then the hardware driving it.

https://www.tomsguide.com/best-picks/best-laptops

 

Disgusting!!! The sad part ... People read it and think they get a great advice and jump on the purchase button equal happy as kids in the candy store.

 

"Best all-round laptop" Is a 13" ultrabook with integrated graphics only. Yikes, nothing all-round about that at all. Certainly has it's place but claiming it as a highly versatile machine is misleading.

 

I am mad sli is gone too. Imagine two 3070s in an m18. We would be around 3090 performance and cost around the same as a 3080.

 

Speaking from experience fast memory and the ability to tweak it plays a significant role for improving speed and frame rates.

 

Taken from my last system over 4 years ago with a 6950X and dual Titan Xp’s in SLI.

 

Exactly!!!!!! Gosh I miss SLI. You are hitting almost the same as my 3090 4 years ago. They should have invested in removing the micro stutter and keeping sli. Again the media drives the market, politics, etc. can you imagine an m18 with 125 watt 3070s or 3080s?! I would buy that for sure.

I was getting around the same score with two 1080 ti’s in sli on a 7900x 3 years ago too. It is sad.

 

My thermals during overclocking my 6950x by 44%. When I had that CPU dozens of reviews I found said that the max you could overclock it was about half of what I ran for everyday use. So that reinforced my belief that the so called PC experts were no smarter then the fools at places like Best Buy. During that period I was breaking a lot of records and the only guy consistently beating my scores come to find out was using liquid nitro. Why 3DMARK allows people running systems like that to compete against every other user cooling with water is no different then competition gamers using cheat codes.

 

Tom's HW used to be OK waaaay back, before they got taken over by a media giant. One would imagine the way these top 10 lists are determined these days is via an auction. Useless.

 

SLI is very bad because it enables people to almost double the graphics performance of their system with a simple cost-effective upgrade, as opposed to an expensive new gen graphics card or new system purchase. It had to go for profits' sake.

 

In the 90’s DirecTV had a channel for PC enthusiasts which interviewed Tom from tomshardware. About the only real informative site to still exist is anandtech but they tend to focus more on hardware out of reach for gen pop.

 

Check this out. Nice to see creativity isn’t dead.

 

These scores are only marginally higher than the Zephyrus G15 with 80W 3070 that I have - this makes no sense.

 

Limitlessly thin, huh?

 

here's a look, maybe this is a better solution than x17 ) for
just $2872 you get an i7-10875H + Quadro RTX 5000 w/16GB GDDR6
at the same time you will have 4 slots of RAM and 4 slots for ssd m.2
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...rationid=b83c81ee-bb25-41d3-9d17-ea2c8bf698a1

 

What do you think is the TGP of that A5000?

 

Do you think the lower performance is in part due to lack of mux switch? Would connecting it to external display make a difference in performance?

Could that also be why the m17 r4 has higher scores?

 

I have never seen you on top of the bot leaderbord. Maybe you never have been a user in the bot community.

Put it the other way... What with those with air-cooling? Will they feel cheated by those with water cooling? What with custom water loops? Where will you put the border for 3DMark before they should call it cheat? The stock AIO cooling coming with some of the graphics cards? Then we can add in the same for the Cpu. I don't grasp this nonsense. @Mr. Fox
Its up to the users what cooling they prefer without being called out for cheat.

 

Doubt it, the impact of Optimus on this benchmark is negligible. No recent AW laptop has a mux switch? We are talking G-Sync vs G-Sync or Gsync vs Advanced Optimus, I'm not sure.

 

I might be mistaken but I thought the m17 r4 had a mux switch on one of the screen options and then everyone was complaining about it being broken due to a windows update a few months back.

I’m not that knowledgeable when it comes to these benchmarks so wasn’t sure if it made a difference or not anyway. I know everyone says that it makes a difference when it comes to gaming and that not having a mux switch causes a performance hit.

 

Ha…

Like I said, if the X15 didn’t beat the Zephy G15 there’s no point to it. This is looking rough, but serious it looks so rough it can’t be right - this 3070 is supposed to be 140W in the X17? The X17 isn’t thinner than the M17 right?

If a 140W (this thing isn’t running at 140 at all) can barely beat an 80W 20mm Zephyrus G15 - yikes.

 

There might be a performance hit at very high frame rates, but not in TimeSpy, certainly nothing that would explain these scores.

I missed the news of a MUX switch in the R4.

 

At least we can all agree that AW are still king in innovation. Every new release I think there is no way it can get worse than this but they keep surprising me.