*OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 R5 Owner's Lounge

dasachmo dell us or uk? Can you give a link?

Also are there huge differences between 1070OC and 1080?

 

It's dell UK. They have the i7 8750 with 1070 Only.
I9-8950HK with 1070 or 1080.

It's the same on both 15 and 17 inch versions.

There are a few differences.
The 1080 has a bit higher clock and memory speeds I believe but the benefit comes from the GDDR5X ram. (The X is good)
Someone posted about this earlier but I remember a pretty good linus tech tips vid on GDDR5X

 

Dasachmo please give me a link. I see the option to choose the 8950HK but I cannot change to 1080 from 1070.

Can someone tell me the differences between 1070OC and 1080?

 

Dell uk Alienware 17 displays 4 and has another page to show another 2 Alienware 17


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My friend I talked with dell on phone no option for 1080 with those specs 1070 oc vs 1080gtx is around 30fps loss

 

So stucked with 8950? lool

I am thinking of 8750H with 1070OC then. Does 1070OC differ so much from 1080? And are thermals below 90 for the above configuration?

 

Thermals unsure and its about 30 fps difference in games.

 

OK, I remember I wanted the 1080 and I was stucked to get the 8950Hk (I did not ask for it). And then I saw the effects of this. They told me its for compatibility reasons (whatever).

 

http://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/lapt...enware-17/spd/alienware-17-laptop/n00aw17r519

That's the I9-8950HK with 1080
As said above press right and it's there.
Just to clarify.
They have the i7 8750 with 1070 Only.
I9-8950HK with 1070 or 1080.

 

Ok, I see now. I think they reduced the price a bit. And they now offer 16GB as basic. Mine came with 8 as basic. And I paid the same. They were supposed to make me a better price through dell sale rep.

I am stucked now. I do not know what to order really. 8950HK no thanks.. 1080 yes please but.. So many configurations but no options. I will have a 15% discount to use within a certain period after return/refund. I may buy a bag instead..They are good quality I know. lool

 

Try www.hidevolution.com , they do the Alienware R5 17 with 1080 etc and custom build , re-paste it for you etc , loads of options and they will test to see thermals


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yes they offer my configurration but they are not sure about the thermals yet.

I think it is the best time to wait.

 

Does anyone know how to do a bios reset on AW 17 R5?

 

A great chip that over heats in laptops.

 

Those that put down to actually own one can undervolt and find out for themselves ( as I did)
Its like hanging out at the Audi online owners forum and criticising what you read about the car!

Many if not all review sites don't undervolt and instead test at stock voltages...hence the terrible scores.
This perpetuated myth that all BGA chips are poorly binned desktop CPU's is rather old.
If my 8950hk is definitely an inferior bin to a 8700k then how can I have a stable undervolt of -140mv
( not really asking )

 

Dasachmo it was me reporting that temp on 15r4 were not so bad after repaste with LM conductonaut and Kryonaut (GPU). That was testing with Occt. But....when i tried to play FarCry 5 and BF1 temps were just like the i9. 95c with undervolt of 160 and core and cache..Worst the GPU 1070oc would reach 86c not overclocked. Exact same results using aida 64 fpu and gpu test. So i contacted alienware tech support and they told me that GPU should not exceed 75C and offer to replace motherboard and heatsink. When tech came i LM both GPU and CPU. Unfortunatly same results. GPU 86C and CPu 95C playing games. No they are going to replace for another new system but i expect the same results.
The only way i could get decent temp with 8750H and 1070oc is to reduce core max to 32hz on all 6 cores using throttle stop. Temps stay under 90C using this setting. LM have reduce temp by about 5c only and core differenctiel are about 5 to 6c. Undervolt have reduce temp by about 10c but still it is almost impossible to run 6 cores at 3.9hz and keeping under 90c with these setting. These 15r4 and 17r5 are not as easy to undervolt and LM as the previous generation. I had much better temps in my previous 15r3 (7700hq and 7820HK) after LM and undervolt.
I hope these information helps you making a decision. For me i still would take 6 core at 3.2ghz before 4 core at 3.4ghz so i am going to keep my next system and hope for intel software fix or bios fix.

 

If your 1070gtx goes over 80c the heatsink is making poor contact for sure.

 

And what is load voltage in benchmarks stock clocks. What if you put all cores equal? I'm sure you know several OEM's tricks with voltage settings in firmware. If you don't know, maybe @Falkentyne can show you. I mean I have seen the same for Alienware as well. Don't trust voltage reading you see in Hwinfo or similar tool.

48x - Cinebench R15 - 1603cb (temp maxed out 56C degrees - 3C degrees between hottest vs. coldest core)


49x all cores and temp maxed out 59C (1C degrees difference between hot vs. coldest core).

Aorus X9 Dt is tested with 0.154mv undervolt. Still the Cinebench R15 results from i9-8950hk in that model was awful.

 

Hopefully you're right, that's also what dell support thinks. But i had the same results with 2 diffefent MB and HS even after 2 repaste. One with kryonaut and last one with LM. When the new system comes in 2 weeks i will know for sure. Thanks for your help.

 

I suspect that again they use too thick thermals pads unfortunately.

 

Just an open ended statement for anyone out there but has anyone at all had an alienware 8th gen i7 or i9 that has decent thermals and what are they?

 

Soon as mine comes in by first week of june ill let you know.

 

I9 and 1080 here. Undervolt and 4ghz lock. Temps during BF1 mid to high 80s for the cpu. GPU stays around 70. Laptop back is liftet.

Without undervolt i get thermal throttling as all the others. With a Bit undervolt its usable

I get exchange R5 Next week (broken Pixel and no parts in stock)
Will do a normal repaste on the actual r5 and LM Repaste on the new one.

 

Nice bro hope it dont get to high

 

If by some weird chance I get bad thermals with 1070 oc and i7 8750k I might just wait till next year and build a new pc. Hope not.

 

You might be right. I could not tell the difference (compare to 15r3) in the GPU section but in the CPU section near arm one, it is defenitly thicker then previous generation. It use to be as thick as a piece of paper but now they replace with something like 1mm thick. Could really be possible that the solution might be in changing thermal pads for thinner ones.

 

I think mine has the same thermals as all the others in this thread... Stock is overheating too. I know, locking the cpu @4GHZ is not ideal...

but for stock paste a 4ghz 6core with gtx1080 is still better than my r4 with overheating 6820hk that could only hold 3.5ghz with 4 cores with undervolt @stock paste.

 

Since it is going back why bother repasting it?

What is the difference between LM and a very good other thermal grease, like Arctic or whatever in terms of performance?

Wait, is this AW 17 R5? What is the PCH like in gaming? Mine reached over 95C. What is the keyboard like? Mine reached over 52C (at the left and right shift keys). The SSD? Mine reached over 90C...

 

Because i want to compare the thermals of normal grizzly paste and LM. But i will not waste a full set if pads and disassamble the new one 2 times... So i just Change the paste of the old one to compare.

Keyboard is warm... dont have exact values.

Pch is about 85 degree with heavy load. Will do iunlocks pch mod.

Ssd was over 100 degree. Ordered SSD heatsinks and will mount them after repaste.

 

Sooo, fellow travellers, hello.
It seems as though my hopes for AW fixing the weak cooling system from the R4 that I have, have not been realised at all in the R5. Slapping a new i9 in the same chassis with the same bendy-leg tripod mount and shared-pipe issue was never going to go well.

Bending mounts, changing pads, changing to conductonaut, raising the back by an inch, adding copper heat-sinks to everything, under-volting CPU and GPU at least gets me 4k gaming at under 85C; but I'm not spending that work all over again.

Let's see what they can do next time around. Either fix it, or start melting 1180s and i9s on the R6 is the choice.

 

Oh my! my old M17X R2 with i7 920xm and AMD 8970 was running farcry 5 at 1920x1200 better (no throttling at all) than AW 17 R5 with i9 8950HK and 1080. And look at my temps (below) too! By the way I used the license I got from 17 R5 to install the game!

https://imgur.com/a/i9RMT5B

 

That's not surprising.

My M17X 4 runs anything better that doesn't really need the extra horsepower. The cooling system is the problem in these thin rigs.

 

New Review of Alienware 17R5



Dave Lee test out the 5.0GHz overclock profile. Even the 4.8GHz profile gave same results.

 

I was taking a look at how others do it and the Acer Predator 17 caught my eye. They have two separate heatsinks for the GPU and the CPU and there is one heatpipe that goes from the GPU to the CPU's heatsink - and here is the big difference. It does not go to the CPU, it goes directly to the CPU's heatsink and at the end so the expelled air will not affect the CPU heat pipes! Sounds reasonable, logical, and achieves much better temps than the R5. And there is nothing wrong with the tripod over the CPU. 3 points define a plane, for whoever remembers their high school geometry (primary school for the Germans ). Because the CPU heatsink is independent and there is no added flex or rigidity imposed on it like it is with the AW17 R4/R5 where the CPU heatsink is welded almost onto the GPU one, allowing no flex for the individual plates! Whoever thought of that design seriously should be fired. Yes there is an indirect connection between heat sink plates on the Acer below, the GPU heatpipe is the link, but look at the length of that heatpipe before it connects with the CPU heatsink fins - a long way away and presumably allowing much more flex to the CPU heatsink plate.

Here is a photo:

 

And on the photo above I notice that the PCH has no heatsink either (is that the PCH on the left ?)

But - there is a third fan inside this machine.

Oh, and the triangular heatsink over the CPU is a rigid triangle, whereas on the R5 one leg of the three is just a flimsy metal tab!

 

Papusan regarding the overclock profiles. I spent much time to see if any difference. I could not see any difference myself. Highest frequencies etc were the same. Rarely (maybe once) reached 4.9GHz with overclock profile 2. I guess I should blame the thermals

 

It does look like a better design, although I think there is a connection at the plate above the CPU between the CPU and GPU pipes. I believe Acer also has their own factory that produces their laptops (similar to MSI) so they have much better quality control.

Is that model offered in the UK? The 7820HK is old but I imagine it would do fine with games for at least a couple of years. Probably better than an overheating i9, too...

 

http://laptopmedia.com/review/acer-...eview-4k-gaming-on-a-laptop-finally-worth-it/

https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q1FEK.001-Acer-Predator-17-X-GX-792-740Z_2247495.html
£2,969.99

Like the Clevos, the Dell AW17 and others, the Acer Predator 17 uses the fantastic AUO 4K 1.0 G-Sync display !​

 

I’m looking at getting a Alienware R5 17 from HIDevolution...


Custom Built Alienware 17 R5 w/ nVIDIA GTX

1080 and i9-8950HK

Chassis Color
Black

Processor
Overclocked Intel 8th Generation "Coffee Lake" ...
Processor
Overclocked Intel 8th Generation "Coffee Lake" Core i9-8950HK (2.9-5.0GHz) 6 Core - 12 Thread Processor, 12MB Smart Cache

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 with 8GB GDDR5X

Thermal Interface Materials
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly ...
Thermal Interface Materials
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces – BEST PERFORMANCE – installed by HIDevolution - $95.00

Alienware Graphics Amplifier
None

LCD Panel
17.3 inch QHD (2560x1440) 120Hz 5ms TN Anti-Glare 400-n ...
LCD Panel
17.3 inch QHD (2560x1440) 120Hz 5ms TN Anti-Glare 400-nits NVIDIA G-SYNC Enabled w/Tobii Eye-tracking

Display Calibration
Yes, display professionally calibrated w/ profile saved ...
Display Calibration
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Minimize LCD Backlight Bleed
Yes, quality check and give me a panel with minimal bac ...
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Display Warranty
30 Days Zero Defective Pixel Warranty (perfect panel gu ...
Display Warranty
30 Days Zero Defective Pixel Warranty (perfect panel guarantee) - $35.00

System Memory (RAM)
HIDevolution Approved Premium 32GB Dual Channel DDR4/26 ...
System Memory (RAM)
HIDevolution Approved Premium 32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz (2 x 16GB) - installed by HIDevolution - $350.00

RAID Options
RAID 0 (striping) - Must select 2x identical drives in ...
RAID Options
RAID 0 (striping) - Must select 2x identical
drives in M.2 SSD Slots 1 and 2
M.2 SSD Slot 1 (supports PCIe or SATA)

Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD ...
M.2 SSD Slot 1 (supports PCIe or SATA)
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,500 MB/s Read-2,500 MB/s Write - Installed by HIDevolution - $114.00

M.2 SSD Slot 2 (supports PCIe or SATA)
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD ...
M.2 SSD Slot 2 (supports PCIe or SATA)
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,500 MB/s Read-2,500 MB/s Write - Installed by HIDevolution - $264.00

2.5" Drive Bay
2TB Seagate FireCuda Gaming 7mm SSHD (ST2000LX001) - in ...
2.5" Drive Bay
2TB Seagate FireCuda Gaming 7mm SSHD (ST2000LX001) - installed by HIDevolution - $90.00

Wireless Cards
Killer Wireless-AC N1550 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ B ...
Wireless Cards
Killer Wireless-AC N1550 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0 - installed by HIDevolution

Operating System
Windows 10 Pro, 64bit, English, with Multi Language Sup ...
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro, 64bit, English, with Multi Language Support - $50.00

Operating System Clean Install
Yes, Clean Install of Windows 10 including 32GB Clean I ...
Operating System Clean Install
Yes, Clean Install of Windows 10 including 32GB Clean Install Flash Drive - $40.00

Recovery Media (returns system back to factory state)
Recovery USB Flash Drive - $25.00

Office Software
None

Power Adapter
330 Watt 3 Prong AC Adapter with 6 ft Power Cord (will ...
Power Adapter
330 Watt 3 Prong AC Adapter with 6 ft Power Cord (will work worldwide, includes FREE plug adapter for those without "U.S. style" outlets)
Internal Battery
Lithium Ion (99 Wh) Battery

Warranty and Service
1 Year Premium Support + 1 Year HIDevolution US Warrant ...
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1 Year Premium Support + 1 Year HIDevolution US Warranty + LIFETIME HIDevolution Technical Support - $139.00

HIDevolution Global Warranty
1 Year HIDevolution Global Warranty - $175.00

Accidental Damage Protection
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Show us out of the box temps and let dell fix the problems. Looks like @Donald@HIDevolution will be happy!

 

I’m just dealing with a busy season at the moment so will probably order in July-August


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Bigger aka thicker chassis means the PCH chips get better air circulation. Hot hardware in thinner chassis means the chips will run hotter. Aka can't get enough of needed cold air to circulate around to cool the chips.

Look on the pict once again. Lower temp aka below throttle temp means power throttling. Aka crippled power settings. With maxed power settings you would instead get thermal throttling due higher wattage.

 

Just had a quick question. Would getting a non G-sync monitor help with thermals, as you can use optimus to disable the gpu when not gaming?

 

I don't think so. Overheating is issue when the system under load such as games or benchmarks. So non G-sync or G-sync doesn't help with thermal at all. Until Dell's engineers stop being lazy and start working for new cooling system, overheating still exists.

 

This review was rushe. S0 seems every big review no one discusses thermals, and throttling .. be honest to ur viewers.

 

Also not every user has the same issues.

 

Needs to be discussed regardless.

 

I dont deny that but its always automatically claimed here that each system that leaves the assembly is flawed.

 

I just ordered one. The Dell salesperson promised me they do not overheat. One reviewer said even if it shows it is it shouldn't take away from frame rate. So it's an R4 with an I9 basically? Also they say there's an extra lighting Zone where is it?

 

Dave2d rarely gives a bad review so don't expect him to be critical.
As said in previous posts even he shows throttling and it's a pretty superficial review.
I'd wait a week or so and more reviews should surface but the best would be from consumer owners who actually have it... Ie here!