As you see, the cores are closely uniform, with the exception of core 1. I went really thin with the lm tim. Maybe too much so. On a lighter note, new mobo with 1070 Samsung memory!
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Too thin of a coating. Use more, tin the heatsink with it too, use nail polish transparent to insulate the SMD resistors around the CPU (must be cellulouse based) and PLEASE use a FOAM DAM BARRIER around the CPU (you can attach it with nail polish also, the foam dam must be VERY compressible). The foam barrier is required to make 100% sure that LM will not escape anywhere and blow up the motherboard. And please use a pressure paper test with basic TIM to test mounting and evenness of heat sink before wasting LM on this..
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Take a look at your thermal pads to see if there is more uneven pressure on one side of thermal pads?
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Core0 is top left, core 1 is bottom left, core 2 is top right, core 3 is bottom right
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Yes, Fallkentyne, this is very possible, as I use just enough to tin both surfaces to avoid runoff (around a 1/2 bb or so). Glad to know that the clear nail polish isn't just an urban legend... Never tried it except on speaker repairs. The barrier is an excellent suggestion, and I had been thinking about something similar, already. I have a few different ideas that should keep the lm isolated to the cpu die. Thanks for the help, and great suggestions, guys. I think she'll be a real beast with a bit more fine tuning.
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Sadly the core discrepancy issue continues into 2018.
This is a replacement model after 5 repair attempts on a 6820HK 17R3.
Idle temps are fine but even with 0 GPU load and -0.080v underclock I can't run Prime blend without hitting throttling at 4.1ghz.
I have everything I need to try to fix it myself but I've seen a lot of posts mention they didn't make any progress with Kryonaut. I have Conductonaut as well but will only use it once I can get those core differences down.
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Arctic pads work well too.
As for the pads sizes they should be around the size of the stock pads, but you should have to flatten any, rather the opposite in some cases.
Take your time to remove the entire heat sink assembly.
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I've tested pretty much all the methods and there's a reason I haven't published anything, because for one it's not needed and the main objective is to apply just the right amount over too much. Going into this with the mentality of it leaking is the wrong approach.
Using LM in itself is a new territory for most people and by adding in things like using foam etc... Would be contradictory to what's important of making sure to using the correct amount, over using too much and relying on something to stop it from leaking?
If one applies too much, whether there is a foam barrier or not, it'll find its way out of it eventually as it exceeds the saturation point.
I've opened up many systems to know that applying the right amount does not leak and is the correct way of applying LM. Of course cover your resistors, but that's all you need to do.
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Just received my AW15R3 7700HQ with a 1070GTX.;
Directly tested the temps, no core temp differences and when I stress the CPU alone sub 60 temperatures. 150mv undervolt.
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Is LM safe to use when transporting on public transportation daily in sub -20c weather?
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But if heat and therefor ambient noise is much lower on the 1070 that might be the deal breaker to forgo the 1080. I love using my comp in the living room so i can watch the kids, and my family don't appreciate computer fans sounding like jet engines
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Someone has skipped some facts, or forgotten that TRIPOD is a Unified Heatsink design. More power on the opposite end of TRIPOD (1080 vs. 1070) means less possibility for the CPU to get rid of heat. Always been like this.
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"do not get the pcie ssd. it uses 4pcie lanes and will cut your gpu down to 8 lanes down from 16. this theoretically shouldnt make a difference but i got the 7700hq and the 1070 and the fps drop is almost 30 percent. from 125fps average on heaven benchmark down to 94fps. just get the cheapest option for storage and buy a 1 or 2TB ssd in the 2.5 in form factor and swap it out. the 1080 will require more throughput than the 1070 and will make an even bigger difference. youll thank me later." how much of this is true ? i know that wifi, ssd, videocards etc use pcie lanes, but is it true that the lanes will be cut for the gpu if there is a pcie ssd installed ?Vasudev likes this. -
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Got my core differential to within 5-7c on most cores... but I did it by bending the single tripod arm slightly and 1/8th twists loosened the other two. I'm not super comfortable with that route.
I was "blessed" (cursed?) with a CCI heatsink in all it's dented glory. Am I screwed? I want to LM but I don't want it to be so uneven that it pumps out. Using Kryonaut until I come up with a good solution and sadly as much as it's better than stock paste it's not quite where I want it to be.
I replaced some of the pads around the GPU chokes as per iunlock's guide, they're working good. Might go ahead and replace the rest. Is there something I can do to specifically help that #0 and #2 core being hotter? Should I try bending the tripod arm a tiny bit more?
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we all know what's wrong with the heatsink for new alienware system. there's no need to repeat the same thing over and over again. what we want to know or learn is how to work on the heatsink to get even cpu core temperature across all 4 cores, not just to identify we have core temperature differential problem. even a monkey can read that from any temperature monitoring software.
and there's no need to keep reminding everyone how talented or good you are only to lure people to contact you for repaste service. if you are truly generous, detail every single methods and steps on how to correct the heatsink to make it balanced. telling people you need to balance the heatsink = no tell.Last edited by a moderator: Feb 2, 2018 -
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Not to jump into the middle of this, but so far I've seen little success getting rid of the uneven cores without using LM even using the guide. I've done a kryonaut repaste and still have the diff. I'm sure a healthy paste of LM would mask the issue but as far as I know that will have a chance of pump out due to the unresolved gap.
That's the only reason why I'm here (this thread)... and it seems impossible to find a straight answer with peer confirmation.
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i started off with a lot of respect for you, but as time goes by, after i tried repasting it and understanding the underlying problem with the heatsink, and your repetitive beating around the bush when asked to go into detail on how to work and balance the heatsink, i see exactly what you are doing here. it's a nice business plan, getting people to start doing repasting only to see the majority of them fail and end up sending their system to you.
i have no qualms with you making a living from repasting services, but do it elsewhere. if you want to honestly contribute here, go into details. keep repeating what people already know is not helping. we all know what's the problem and we all know you provide the service. what we want to know is how to resolve this which u consistently failed to reveal. the more you beat around the bush, the more forum members will see right through you and not respect you.
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you can say all you want but there are people in this forum who have told me the heatsink balancing technique and ways to work on the heatsink metal are a closely guarded secret by people like you. there goes your credibility, if you still have any left.
@Papusan might have a lot of strong opinions about BGA crap, but he goes all in to help people and no money involved. the same cannot be said about you. you go halfway to "help" people and if they wanted more, PAY
I post guides to genuinely help people without any expectations of being paid. the thread you are posting in now is a result of my effort. i have helped people with issues on stuttering GTX 1080. no money involved.
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Common guys lets keep it civil. A lotnof strong opinions here. But there is no denying that Iunlock did a great service to the community. His experiments with the early batches and doing this public pushed Dell to speed up for a fix. Still some people receive a machine with uneven temps but from what I see it is not that big of an issue anymore and in my case a 100% perfect heatsink.
Also his guides helped other people to repaste their machines. But you need to have experience with disassembling laptops to begin with. Its not for everyone to do and he is offering services for that. You can or cant agree with that. But it not as team liquid hz is actively promoting themselves.iunlock and Pete Light like this. -
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I received their latest model 2 days ago. No issues whatsoever. No uneven temps (not even surpassing 63C when the CPU is fully stressed and not surpassing 70C with the GPU stressed). no overheating. Prove me otherwise or get out, you are just talking smack you heard off without even owning one of these machines.
Its true that people have issues with these machines, especially the first batches, doesnt mean they all have the same issues.iunlock and Pete Light like this. -
Note (I've directly said this to you before) this wasn't @iunlock that told me this "guarded information", it was someone else and the reason they gave is a very valid one, it is very risky to do and you can break your heatsink instantly by trying this. That is not wise to post for thousands of people to try when a large portion of them have never tried a repaste before... This is the only reason why this information has been restricted.
This so called "guarded secret" is nothing more than trying something obvious which you yourself admitted that you had tried already anyway, yet now you claim to everyone here it's a "golden secret"!? It's basically just a shortcut if you cannot be bothered to do it properly which works some of the time. Don't you get it? Every machine is made very slightly differently and to get a perfect balance there is no way without any risk. I.e. You have to either spend a lot of time balancing with pressure paper or you can try this shortcut (which is even more risky and can result in you instantly breaking your heatsink as stated above).
What I told you was that on the CPU heatsink below the CPU arm (which most people try and bend) at the top of the tripod is a block of metal riveted into the main copper heatsink. With some care you can try to add more pressure to the top of the CPU die when screwing down by effectively breaking this apart (i.e. separating out the body from the copper heatsink) so that the rivets are visible. This forces there to be a gap (which is kept by the fact the rivets are popped out) so that additional pressure can be applied at the top of the die as you screw down. As I said, this is very dangerous! You can rip that metal block off completely very easily, or break the heatsink arm, or twist the heatsink out of shape... You must apply just the right amount of pressure because it is difficult to bend in the first place as well.
So there you have it, your "guarded secret" cannot be used to threaten @iunlock or anyone else anymore. You have had countless hours of advice from me and @iunlock already to try and fix your system with little success. Hundreds of others with much less advice has managed to resolve the issue, @iunlock has fixed hundreds of units, I've done dozens, the problem you have with your unit seems to be YOU!
Please stop trolling and attacking on people who offer repaste services, this is extremely immature and for the people that use them, absolutely worth it and essential. From the hundreds of people who request this have you ever seen a post on these forums of regret? Or feeling it was unreasonable or didn't work??? No...
iunlock has never advertised, I only have something very small in my signature but neither of us depend on this, run a business on this or have posted an advert or anything (it's against forum rules to do so anyway). Of course if people want us to work on their units, spending hundreds of pounds buying the equipment and spending countless hours of our time to fix their computers, how can there not be a charge? Do you suggest we pay for postage to and from their homes as well?
So once again, because you seem to be very forgetful! As I and @iunlock have told you countless of times, there is no secret, it's just hard work, patience, experience and skill from doing this many times that makes it easier and easier to be fixed. So for the sake of this community, stop with the conspiracies, false lies and off-topic rubbish which prevents new people from reading posts which will actually help them. Right now I could be helping someone else rather than being forced to waste time responding to you.
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What you're saying is not true so I ask that you stop ranting about something that is not real.
You're claiming that my repaste thread is something that is a result of your effort? You're joking right? Please...
This is getting really old and from your demeanor, it says a lot about the wolf inside of you that is out to spread lies.... very immature.
Thanks for pointing out the facts of the guide having helped likely thousands of people, because it has and I've put in countless hours to help people with their repastes over video chat with great success.
As you've stated, there is no golden secret like some of these false accusers are trying to claim. Almost all of the units can be fixed with a little common sense by following the repaste guide, as that was meant to be a general guideline on purpose since all the systems are different.
It is true that common sense is not so common these days and there will always be salty people who are not mature enough to carry themselves properly. You know what they say, those who bark the loudest with nonsense are very insecure about themselves, like what we have been witnessing from a selected few. What has this place gone to? Very sad...
It's interesting to see the level of imaginary nonsense you're making yourself to believe here. Out of almost 400,000 visits to the repaste guide, do you not think there will exist some bad apples? It's a numbers game and the nature of the internet. The dark web is a nasty place filled with negativity in all shapes and forms. Your sig being one of them.
Your needless words and false accusations would get crushed by the thousands of those that have benefited from just the guide alone, let alone the hundreds I've helped remotely with their repaste on my own time... you really need to check yourself and quite with this childish games. Just stop. It does no good.Last edited: Feb 2, 2018IXVIXXII, pathfindercod and Pete Light like this. -
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Almost all reviews you speak off are from the first batches, Dave2D did one later and does not mention temperature issues for example.
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Well, it appears everything that could be said, has been said. As a lurker for so long, I just want to say how much I appreciate you all for putting so much energy and time and effort into all of this.
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@iunlock , i dont really like to resort to names calling but for you and pete, i'll make an exception. you must be senile or what? previously you misunderstood when i said heatsink metal and now for whatever reason you think this very thread you are posting in now, which i started (read post #1) is a result of your effort? you must be getting dementia or just plain senile. you can self advertise as much as you want in the threads you started, but when you advertise over here, i need to step up and warn people about your shady business tactics. nothing personal, just stating out the obvious. and please get some english lessons. first time i'll give you the benefit of doubt, second time there's just something very wrong with your low level of understanding.
@Pete Light , wow man... took me a while to digest your contents. at the end of the day, it's just your words against my words, so here is my version of what went down. first of all, thank you for bringing this out in the open. i'm glad i dont have to be the one doing that because a promise is a promise and i never broke my promise to you. you are the one who divulge part of the details to the whole world so my conscience is clear as day and my integrity stands.
so back to your contents, yeah you did told me in confidence that the methods to work on the heatsink is a closely guarded secret BUT not for the "noble" reasons you shared with everyone here. in fact it wasn't so noble to begin with and more about threatening iunlock's money making business if those methods were made public. as what @Papusan had pointed out, at $450 per service, that's heck a lot of money! and as i had said before, you are NOT the only one who had shared in confidence about iunlock keeping this a secret, but you are definately the one to spill it out on your own.
truth be told, the only reason you shared with me part of the technique to bend the heatsink metal was because i helped you with your GTX 1080 GPU stuttering issue. so talk about being ungrateful..and if you remembered correctly, when i shared with you a picture where i literally snapped of the part of the heatsink to bend, i have actually known about that even before you shared it with me in confidence. i never mentioned it because it too was shared with me in confidence. the only useful info i got from you was stressing me use a heat gun to do it to avoid it being snapped off. i have known about some of the techniques from my previous repasting experience and also from the info shared with me in confidence by other members which i was told pretty much the same thing. keep this to myself otherwise certain people here will be very unhappy about it.
and contrary to what you said, @iunlock never helped me in any way when it comes to repasting and working on the heatsink. when i just owned this amazing laptop, i find his repasting guide to be very informative and useful. but then again, at that time i was a beginner, a naive one i must add. as time goes by, i find his so called excellent guide to be riddled with inaccuracies even though he consistently advertised himself as being OCD. here is just one of the examples of his "OCD" info. the pads he recommended dont fit and he neglected to inform people not to follow his guide to the letter. my laptop developed GPU stuttering issue partly because i followed his "guide" and recommendation for the thermal pads and i found out the hard way which later prompted me to start the thread on how to fix GTX 1080 GPU stuttering issue. if you examine closely, this repasting guide is nothing more than what alienware service manual is already showing you.
it's pretty obvious @Pete Light and @iunlock are colluding judging by the way pete vigourously defending iunlock in any possible pathetic way, much like a dog defending his master. let's be transparent. tell us iunlock, how much money have you made so far from this repasting business?Last edited: Feb 2, 20180lok likes this. -
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Also answer this, when have I ever self advertised anything here? You keep making false assumptions and it's getting really old. My contribution here with threads that have received hundreds of thousands of views discredits the cheap shots you're trying to take and is again really exposing your ignorance, immaturity and lack of respect. I'm not the one being senile here bud...check yourself in the mirror.
All this false accusations you're making is based on nothing related to anything that I have said to you directly or even in these forums, so whatever it is that you think you know from where ever you heard it, perhaps it'd be the right thing to do in reaching out to me directly, instead of conspiring about something that I didn't even say or do. You're completely out of control and those who are mature can and will see right through you so save yourself the embarrassment.
You even admit to snapping a part of your head sink, which shows the high risks involved with messing with it in that way. It seems like you're just salty for having ruined your heat sink and looking at people to blame for that? Do you now see why any heavy modifications to the heat sink was not included in the guide? For one, it's very risky and two it is not necessary in the majority of the cases as the cores differentials can be addressed successfully with properly testing with pressure paper and adjusting the pad thicknesses since all the systems are slightly different.
Another example of your incompetence is failing to realize that I've clearly mentioned that the thermal pads may need to be adjusted accordingly. I made sure to mention this so that people have a heads up with the thermal pads and having done so is being OCD silly. What are you looking for a silver spoon for someone to feed you? Have some common sense.
You can conspire all you want, but just know that the more you dig yourself a hole the more people will see right through you.
For someone that can't even capitalize your words properly is telling me to get English lessons?
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How to FIX AW17R4/15R3/13R3 CPU Core Temperature Differential Issue
Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by alexnvidia, May 18, 2017.