7700HQ Power Limit Throttling

Several reviews sites say 671-676 as normal. This with Bloat. As reviewers run with what the OEM’s put in.

Strange, as other TURDBOOK’s max undervolted 6700hq need 32W.

 

ikr see this below.. show this to him

 

Doesn’t matter. Will never change his mind, bruh. Although the unlucky 6700q owners don’t use Bloat. 640/650 is as the correct score

 

Remember I'm using manual voltage, override 0.945v.
I am almost 100% sure ALL of the other 6700 HQ's are using ADAPTIVE vcore. From what I saw about adaptive, at least on MSIbooks, you don't even know what the actual vcore is going into the chip because the VID and "True" Vcore don't even match UNLESS you set AC/DC loadline to 1 (remember my screenshots?).

I could probably do x31 at 0.900v. But I don't want to do it now can i do it later?

 

It doesn’t matter, bruh. Not important at all. For me is info like this only useful for telling people that their scores is out of range(crippled). This applies all Skylake/Kaby chips.

 

Win defender. HWBOT clocks representation are buggy.
I'm dual booting with Linux so I need AHCI and SW RAID is useless in Linux.

 

Change process priority to realtime and rerun at your stable 4.4GHz. CB will look like it crashed but its running in background so don't worry. Hopefully you will cross 1100cb.
Did you actually set BCLK to 101?

 

Huh? You sure you quoting me on purpose? My test was 3.1 ghz in that screenshot...i didn't even upload a 4.4 ghz one.
I tried 4.9 ghz and got 1086cb. 1100cb is impossible. 5 ghz crashed during the test at 1350mv and CPU was 90C at the time too (with LM....), power draw was 115W (!!) and I'm NOT putting 1.4v into it at 5 ghz. I'm betting the VRM's will shut down.

 

Have you tried changing the process priority in task manager, it does increase the score. Mine was 687 and yesterday it jumped to 696 on balanced power profile with adaptive voltage.

 

@Vasudev Sorry to bug you but I turned off performance mode in my bios and now I can't make 92watts happen in either XTU or throttlestop.

Whenever I test I just get power limit throttling any ideas?

 

Was the xtu service running in task Manager? Usually XTU and TS don't play nice if run simultaneously.
Use HWINFO sensors to see PL1 and PL2 Limits set to 92W. XTU produces garbage values if TS modifies anything.
Open services.msc and check if Xtu service is running or not?

 

Xtu was not running and is not running now.

I could just uninstall XTU.

if I set it in TS then i save and use turn on?

 

Yes that should do it. If you don't press Turn ON TS won't work. In addition to that, uncheck speedstep and simply use Speedshift because it can ramp up/down the clocks in few nano seconds and faster than OS P states.

 

High performance power plan will always have the clocks ramped up to max.

 

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In the new creators update you don't get a high performance power plan.

I have unchecked speedstep. Do I need to check speedshift-EPP or check speed shift within the TPL menu?

I have tried whatever I can to get Throttlestop to set my TDP however it simply wont.

 

yes. Might wanna ask @unclewebb about it. I was able to set TDP using TS.

 

Win X Crematory Fall Fail Update - Balanced (recommended)... Nope.

 

You can get the old profiles back but you have to disable "Modern Standby" via regedit.

 

Or pick what you want of power options in Windows Mobility Center.

Yeah, The M$ Morons try to force us all over on Balanced power plans now. Because this power plan fits very well for the new hardware " Snapdragon chipsets" + their own utter Trash!!

Windoze X desktop Tablet OS is redesigned for coming weaker hardware!! Microsoft: days of battery times with Windows laptops still this year? More of same ****y sadness... Here - Here - Here - Here @Phoenix Want the new throttlemonster from Micro$haft? As it fits Win X like a hand in glove. Or this one?

 

Can anyone please elaborate how "Balanced" power plan is affecting performance? I can't see any difference, and since the latest ASUS updates my GL702VS is hitting PL1.

 

The only difference that I noticed is that in high performance mode the clocks are never dialed back when idling.

They are going to introduce a new high performance mode this year, removing all forms of latency.

 

Some have to use Balanced Power profile to keep temp and or throttling within reasonable level. Instead of fixing the real culprit. The thermals. Or even better... Buy proper laptops/computers who work as intended!! People should really read my thread How and why Dell cripple the performance. And other OEM's run this dirty game as well.

What’s the Difference;
Each of these power plans is actually just a different group of settings. Rather than tweak settings one-by-one, though, these “plans” are designed to provide an easy way to switch between common groups of settings. For example:

• Balanced: Balanced automatically increases your CPU’s speed when your computer needs it, and reduces it when it isn’t necessary. This is the default setting, and it should be fine most of the time.
• Power Saver: Power Saver attempts to save power by reducing the CPU’s speed all the time and lowering screen brightness, among other similar settings.
• High Performance: High Performance mode doesn’t lower your CPU’s speed when it isn’t being used, running it at higher speeds most of the time. It also increases screen brightness. Other components, such as your Wi-Fi or disk drive, may also not go into power-saving modes.

I know about the new so called new High Performance mode. It's called Ultimate Performance (Power Plan). Some of us have discussed this new scam a few weeks ago in the Win 10 thread + other threads. It is meant to be released for Windows Pro Workstation first. If you are familiar with tweaks or use of software for power plan tweaking you will see it won't make the big difference.

Micro$Haft has already messed up or better say screwed up Power plans in the past for their new Baby (Win 10 Fall). To the worse!! Why should it be any better now? Nope, I do not jump fast on this new hype.

 

Well, I thought that's what Speedshift is used for. Although I can't see how maximum clock speed is beneficial when the system is idling.

 

It kinda bypasses speedshit.

Have yet to test it myself, but from what I understood it might be beneficial with music production where latency might be an issue.

I dont have much issues with Win10 still, only the latest update kinda ruined it for external GPU's. The system doesnt fully shut down by default which hampers switching the GPU when connecting and disconnecting the AGA. So I shutdown in command line now to get around that.

 

Just make it easy... Put 4 power plans + create one who fits you. Aka Power Savings, Balanced, High and Ultimate Performance plan in Power options. Same as before only with one extra. No need for the fancy ugly new Power mode we now see being thrown down ower throats. Windows 10 looks more and more like an OS for smartphones. When will this madness Stop? When people have voted NO with their wallets and stopped buy their hardware as Surface Pro tabletbooks? A desktop OS shouldn't look like this... It's nasty, ugly and awful.

 

Hello,
PROCESS LASSO has been doing this for a while. The mode is called BITSUM HIGH PERFORMANCE and works GREAT for gaming. it is FREE program.
https://bitsum.com/company-news/mic...de-to-prevent-micro-latencies-sound-familiar/

 

What would the general changes be for a i7 7700HQ CPU to run cooler but still perform great in gaming in XTU or Throttlestop. I keep getting Power limit exceeded and thermal throttling. My CPU goes to 98 C Degrees Celsius while gaming. I need as much help and advice as possible please. I have a HP Omen 17 (GTX1070 version) HP Omen w200na model. Many thanks guys

 

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your heating issue. You have same options as listed in this thread. In order of difficulty low to high they are;

1. Update all drivers and BIOS if have not done so already. Use HP Assistant or go to https://support.hp.com/rs-en/driver...-hp-17-w200-laptop-pc/13823501/model/15230141

2. Download THROTTLESTOP or INTEL XTU and follow links found in GOOGLE search to UNDERVOLT i7-7700 WITH THROTTLESTOP or INTEL XTU respectively to undervolt. Start at -100 and try -110, -120, up to max of -150. Mine is set at -130. HWinfo will verify voltages as having been set. You can probably get 5 to 10 degree savings here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=UND...TU&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

3. Buy cooler to place under your laptop

https://www.google.com/search?q=lap.....69i57j0l5.3579j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

4. REPASTE the CPU and GPU which may void your warranty or RETURN laptop and buy MSI or Alienware, etc as they have better cooling solutions.

While 98 degrees is high it is still acceptable according to Intel specs. 100 degrees is max I think. Be sure that is CPU throttling and NOT the GPU which apparently generates the most heat and throttles at around 70 degrees.

May be someone else has more to add? Good Luck!

 

I have decided to use 33x in max turbo frequency for all cores on TS and undervolted to -100 mV. I'm getting a max of 90 C degrees and before was getting 98/99 C degrees. Maybe I should lower it to 32x for all cores and it will lower the temp to 85 C degrees?? I'll try undervolt more. I have the i7 7700HQ

 

You simply can't change the clock freq.
You need to repaste it.

 

Your post partly solved the issue. I mean partly because I set the performance mode to enable but i would still get the power limit throttle, but pointed me in the right direction (and to the eventual fix).
I have the 7820HK with 1080 and it was hot but manageable. however i got the eventual dips due to power throttling. I repasted but that was not the issue (Still I got a decent 70 C ono full load, vs the 85~90 i got with stock paste).
After the repaste i thought that the throttling would stop, but it didn't. I'm not a fan of extreme OC and with this 17 R4 i just left stock clocks (which are OCd nonetheless). i went to the bios and enabled performance mod but the throttling was still there, I then manually pupmed PL1 and PL2 to 120, the throttle was still there.
What fixed for me was checking out the stock OCs and PL, and setting them on custom OC on the bios. Once done that, the PLT disappeared. I don't know why, there has to be some other changes internally when the bios is on OC mode that enables higher throughput of power than when it is disabled.
So, if you are still throttling with Performance Mode enabled, try setting the clocks on custom.

 

I did do a repaste. A few times as well.

 

I did do a repaste about 3 times. I bent my mounting hole to the side, any idea how I can bend it back and move it up or should I leave it?

 

Vasudev is right, 7700HQ can only use 34x max or no turbo at all (2.6 or 2.8 iirc).

 

Well I managed to keep it 3.3 Ghz well playing GTA 5 and it helped my temps to max 91 degrees C instead of 98 C degrees. Please see my other post Mobius 1. How can I bend back the mounting hole and bring it back up?? (See above photo) Can I just use another screw to bend it back to the centre of must I just leave it?

 

I thing you have to push the metal brackets that are glued on the back towards the board again.

 

Thank you for your reply. Do I just push it with a plastic spudger? Will I have to reglue it back?? Thanks

 

That undervolt is good enough, more is better, but you shouldn't be at 90c after undervolting, I'd return that unit and get another one. I wouldn't tell the vendor you "undervolted", that confuses them, just tell them about the 98/99c temps, and that will get you a replacement unit - or a refund to buy somewhere else, which is what I would do if you get 2 overheating laptops in a row, it could be a bad (late Friday, or early Monday) production run.

I wouldn't re-paste or RMA, get rid of it, and get another one so you can start with a good one out of the box.

 

First make sure if thats the cause. If you notice the metal frame on the back is lose just push it with your fingers carefully back to the board and it should stay in place after screwing back the heatsink. But check it first.

 

It's over a year old. What happened was it was bought for me and it was kept in the cupboard. After the year warranty was up I only used. Was bought off Ebay used. But it's very new condition. The warranty is over and plus it was bought in another country where it was manufactured/sold. I need to make the most of it now seeing that repairing it might not be possible. It's a HP Omen 17 1070 version and they known to run hot apparently, I'm not to only one that's had the 98/99 degrees issue while gaming. On stress tests it only reaches 88 C degrees but gaming increase it to almost 100 C degrees.

 

Wow, that's too bad, you might still contact HP Support, explain your situation, and ask them to please RMA your laptop to fix the CPU thermal throttling problem.

HP has done after warranty work before, so there's a good chance they will do it now. Or, they might just offer to charge a small amount for the service.

Much better to get HP service to fix it rather than the corner PC repair shop, or yourself - unless you have experience re-pasting laptops.

 

Unfortunately it is all too common these laptops generations. It probably needs some work with repasting etc. But this is not for everyone. With laptops you its best to have a bit of experience. Maybe there is a reputable repair shop near you that can do proper repasting jobs and make sure your laptop runs cool?

 

I've repasted 4 times so far and I'm still getting the same temps I think these HP Omens are just designed with not the best cooking bud. But I have to make the best out of it, I'm thinking one day I will take a chance with grizzly conductonaut liquid metal when I'm more brave. For now I can't risk it.

 

@GreatD

The only problem with using a non-approved PC repair shop is unless you get lucky and get top flight responsible people in the repair shop, you'll get sub standard results.

I've had people do this and get their laptops OS reloaded, wrong components put in, screws missing, flaky results, multiple visit's for the fix.

If they don't normally support and sell the brand, it's the first time they've opened one up, their results first time may not be good enough, and require more than one trip in to the shop.

At some point what they charge will be exceeded by the amount of time they spend, and they or their boss will cut their losses and button it up "unfixable".

Always backup your data, make a full disk image with Macrium Reflect so you can restore back to your system should they reload your OS. They might also look at your contents, so remove anything you wouldn't want anyone to see.

And, if you are forced to go to a local PC Repair shop, at least try to find someone you know that can recommend a place that did a good job for them.

 

There may be a busted or ill fitting component in the cooling system needing replacement.

Have you tried to call / email HP Support to see what they would charge for a repair out of warranty?

 

I'll try that. I'll contact HP. Will they still touch it if I've repasted it before? I have repasted it but still getting the same temps.

 

Nope I will give them a call soon but will they still touch my laptop if it was repasted and I fiddled with the internals?

 

Yeah, just tell them the truth, they will figure it out when they open it up the first time, the tech's are used to seeing untouched and touched units, so it won't pass their notice.

If you are still getting the same temps, and each time you are gaining expertise on how to do it, then it might be a bad cooling component, heatpipe or heatexchanger, paste can help a little, but you are way too hot already even after re-pasting.

There may be a trick or technique for reassembly you aren't privy to that they will be, that can make it easy for them, and not for you.

At this point it's worth a few phone calls / emails to get connected and find out.

If you have the original box let them know, if you need a shipping box let them know that, and get it fixed.

 

I hope the techs here in South Africa will be as friendly over there. It's worth trying my luck though. Will update you kind sir