very depressing itunes issue with new windows 7 laptop.

So I just got my new computer. Transferred my music over from the mac side. There is a big problem. Although all my music has artwork (which displayed fine on OSX) some of the artwork, about half, seemingly at random does not display in itunes. However when I ctrl - I it and check the files the artwork appears as normal. Also displays in the lower left itunes artwork box. No way I can fix this manually, to many songs. what other options beside going back to mac do I have here? Heres a print screen of the issue...

 

Try going Advanced > Get Album Artwork. Maybe that will "redo" the artwork. Or you could always delete the library database file and rebuild it by adding your music folder to your library again.

 

i clicked get album artwork and it said "processing" about a thousand tracks, but nothing actually changed. You mentioned to delete the library file. I will try that next, anything else I should know if I do that?

 

Any reason why you want to use that software written by incompetents (with respect to the Windows implementation)?
apple software on Windows is worse than atrocious. Have you got a reason to use it?

If nothing specifically ties you to itunes, I would just ditch it for good and move to (my choice) foobar. If you have an apple MP3 player, there are third party solutions for that too.

 

Well, don't delete it just yet, instead, rename these two files (located in My Music/iTunes) to "iTunes Library OLD.itl" also rename "iTunes Music Library OLD.xml"

Renaming these files will force iTunes to rebuild your library (you need to do File > Add Folder to Library in iTunes), but you can still go back to before if you want to by un-renaming those files. Keep in mind that by rebuilding your library, you will loose all of your play counts and album artwork. The .xml file contains all of that information (you can open it in a text editor and see all of the info iTunes keeps track of).

 

^works a treat that does.

Whilst I agree that iTunes is a pile of crap it is seriously nothing to do with the fact its written for mac as original. Its just generally pants. Thats just a ludicrous comment

Also I have tried MASSES of third party programs and these are useless to use with any apple devices/

 

I've tried media monkey and that works with my ipod.

Sent from my samsung galaxy s2 using tapatalk

 

It worked! everything is back as normal! I still think iTunes looks much better in OSX, but as for performance I need time to work with it in windows to judge.
Hard to find scripts for itunes windows, not as many. If I can get past that and the visual look of it, I should be ok.

 

iTunes definitely runs better in OSX than in Windows 7 (it's a two-way street: OSX people have the same complaints about Microsoft Office for Mac as opposed to for Windows). I know a lot of people hate it, but my library from the iTunes store is so big now that I don't really want to change to anything else.

 

Agreed, Media Monkey is a solid product.

 

If it is only a big library, then installing foobar and pointing it at the music folder would be a good way to test if you like it more
I have over 70GB of music on my Home Server - I think it is 76GB. Most of it 320kBit/s MP3 (all the stuff from CDs) and some more compressed Amazon tracks. Foobar has no issues with it - never had any on g-wifi, nor has it any on n-wifi.
If you don't like it, you can always go back to itunes as you would not have lost anything.

Foobar:
foobar2000
And a Theme, DarkOne to make it look nicer
DarkOne v3.0.1 by ~tedgo on deviantART

and there is an add-in for apple MP3 players too:
foobar2000: Components Repository - iPod manager
(also regularly maintained still)

...a bit of topic, but apple MP3 players are one of the points that prove that people are idiots... with other companies they complained about third party software (and had a good point, plug and play and then drag and drop is easier) - with apple they just accept that they have to use apple software (though it is worse on windows than Sonic Stage from Sony used to be)... ah well... people...

 

Media monkey does not support iphone4 last I tried. the hassle to get it to work was not worth it.

You need to have key elements from iTunes to get it to work. Sort of defeats the object. Although it can work without it is buggy and far less reliable than iTunes.

 

Begs the question why you want an apple phone in the first place? (yes I'm very, very anti apple, and thankfully the guru is gone now)

But the honest answer to this is, that any new device needs time before the open source community takes it apart. If you just look at say the 5D MK II and the Magic Lantern Firmware, every time Canon updates the firmware, it takes at least a couple of weeks before Magic Lantern catches up - if they do. Not because Canon wants to break support - but because they just don't actively cooperate with the guys at Magic Lantern.
In the case of apple they purposely break support. - So what do you expect?

 

And you know this for a fact how exactly?

 

If you need a new driver with every device then that's the only reason
Also, apple has absolutely no interest in open source applications being compatible with apple products.

 

That's generally true, but neither does Canon as you mention in your other example. Why does Apple act with malice when Canon doesn't?

 

It is actually a different situation
Any Canon camera will plug into any computer and will allow you to transfer the files with standard Windows Drivers. (At least on Windows)

The firmware I am talking about is a hack, which Canon supplies an SDK for.
Similar to a hack on any other OS.
Using plug and play or using third party software to transfer images should be standard for any device that connects to a computer. The fact that apple doesn't do this just shows what backwards idiots they are. (Even more so considering their software for windows is worse than atrocious, so there they can't even claim a benefit to forcing you to use it. And did I mention that their devices are randomly not recognized or wipe themselves when used with Windows?)

Not supporting consistent open plug and play is a core functionality of the device. Supporting Firmware hacks is an add-on.
But apple tries to fight firmware hacks, while Canon accepts them but offers no support. Who is better? apple took someone to court over "jailbreaking" and I believe lost.
Canon doesn't care if you hack the firmware on their cameras.

Lastly, there aren't any security benefits to new firmwares on cameras - at least not on SLRs (excluding the data verification on pro bodies), so you have no reason to update in the first place if you need something like Magic Lantern. And then, Magic Lantern isn't "part of the box", basic interoperability with computers is for a portable media player.

If I wanted to complain about Canon's changes to the Firmware I could draw out the list and include Linux for example. OpenFoam is broken during every Ubuntu upgrade... or at least the install functionality...
Or badly written software was broken transitioning between Windows OSes too.
But being backwards compatible for software isn't a core aspect for OS updates. And on this note, if you update apple's mobile operating system, the ZeitOnline applications will apparently stop working. (They have a large warning on their website) - Again, compatibility broken through an update, but it is a different situation, because backwards compatibility with software isn't a key component of products - although it is very important to businesses, and hence receives a lot of attention from Microsoft.

 

Apple also wants to censor the Internet. No Apple products for me, especially not that abomination iTunes.

 

Because Apple, given the business they are in (note that, contrary to naive popular belief, Apple is not in the business of selling computers, phones, or media devices; they are in the business of selling stuff on iTunes, see below), stands to profit from such moves. Canon makes and sells hardware (imaging hardware in this case), and they will profit from making their devices more popular.

Apple, on the other hand, sells devices that are, in effect, nothing but glorified terminals into their media store, with the sole purpose (from Apple's point of view) of transferring cash from user accounts to Apple accounts. All of the functions of these devices (such as playing music, or games, etc.) are purely incidental, means to an end. In a way, an iPod or iPhone are nothing more than a special kind of particularly colorful credit cards. People like the pretty colors, and promptly send their money to Apple in return. It's that simple. For this reason, Apple will stop at nothing to prevent other software from interrupting what is their main stream of income.

Hope this helps.

 

Hmmmm, didn't notice that at all. A friend of mine who happens to own a 2 year old Apple laptop still with Intel C2D and who also had Office 2007 on it, was running it well as in like me on W7. Much better then I tried running i(crappy)Tunes on my rig...

 

I don't know enough about Canon, so I can't say.

One note though, firmware changes on iOS have far more (un-) intended consequences than merely just allowing home tinkerers to, say, install a better SMS app. Apple would be pretty reckless if they didn't quickly patch things like jailbreakme, since (remote) root exploits are very bad for security. I don't see how you can argue that jailbreaking has a positive net effect if you purely look at it from a security perspective.

Is this a SOPA comment? A little more context would be nice.

I don't know where you got this idea from, but it's not based on any kind of reality. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost (pdf) as their earnings releases clearly show.

In the latest quarter their hardware (roughly iPad, iPhone, iPod and computers) revenue was $25,863 million while the software and media sales (their various stores) only accounted for $2,407 million. The total revenue for Q4-2011 was $28,270 million.

For a company so very focused on software they sure sell a lot of hardware...

It must be a very sad life to hate a company and its customers which such intensity and vitriol as you clearly do. I could possibly see you getting emotionally invested in a cause like battling diseases or some such, but this is consumer electronics of all things! Christ.

It didn't actually.

 

I think the problem with your entire statement has to do with Apple being the leader before the rest of the industry jumps in the pool. If you think Apple is doing this alone, think again. That's exactly why Microsoft is working so hard to put out WP7 and the Windows Store in W8. Same reason why your credit card needs to be constantly available if you're an Xbox owner. Many companies are using their hardware as vending machines.

 

Uhmm, there seems to be a serious problem of reading comprehension here. First of all, thank you for posting the hard numbers backing up exactly what I was saying. Now, let's read the numbers, shall we? So, we have 5.35billion in hardware sales (that's computers, laptops, and assorted peripherals), plus another 1.477 billion in iPod (not sure why they break that out separately) and about 662 million in software. The rest of the 28.3 billion is for "other music-related products and services", and, by far the largest chunk of all, "iPad/iPhone-related products and services". Now, notice that these are revenue numbers, not profits, and take into account that credible industry estimates say that Apple is selling the above devices (iPhone and iPads) at either next to no profit, or even a net loss. Need any more help to figure out the picture we have here? Notice also that Apple takes out a 30% chunk out of everything they sell on their iTunes store. As a result, iTunes revenue from an iPhone, say, on average far exceeds the revenue from the actual hardware. Oh, and the nice thing about that revenue is that it is almost 100% pure profit.

Huh? What gives you that silly idea? I really have better things to do with my life than thinking about some company, let alone investing emotional energy into some unknown set of customers. The fact that you detect "intense hate" and "vitriol" in the cold, hard facts I presented tells us a lot more about yourself than it could say about me. For the record, I don't give a rat's behind about Apple one way or another. If they make you happy, be my guest. As long as you are fine with the way you spend your money, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I could not agree more. So why are you getting all worked up about me calling a spade a spade? Note that, in stark contrast to that silly notion of "hatred" of yours, I did not associate any value judgments of any kind with what I said. Just like any other publicly traded company, Apple is beholden to its shareholders to maximize their profit, and shareholder value in the process. As far as I can tell, there's nothing illegal in what they are doing.

Given the above, certainly, I do find it naive if people ascribe to Apple some particularly benevolent motives, which is an idea that can be found quite frequently in the "Apple community", but that is a phenomenon that is entirely peripheral, albeit amusing.

 

One again, where did you get that idea? Of course Apple is not alone in doing that. In fact, what I am saying is precisely that they are no different than anybody else as far as their general profit motive is concerned. There are differences in the specifics if we compare a company like Apple with one like Canon, simply because they operate in entirely different markets. As a consequence, the things that Canon, say, will do to enhance their profits are different from the actions an Apple would take. Hence my explanation of the particular difference in question. This has nothing to do with Canon being a "nicer" company than Apple. I have no idea if such a judgment could even make any sense, let alone how one might go about objectifying a judgment of that sort. Hope this clarifies things.

Sure, obviously. And a brilliant idea it was, absolutely no doubt about: Pull people's money out of their pockets in very small increments, each one barely noticeable, and you'll end up getting much more money out of them overall.

 

As you are editing your posts, a late response:

The answer is yes and no at the very same time. apple does not want you to have any control over your own (!!) device. Root exploits are possible due to the nature of their OS (!!).

Look at say a BlackBerry - I can do what I want with it and don't have any security issues. After patching up past mistakes, Windows is also a lot more secure than it used to be - but you are left in full control over the OS if you want to.
At no time, will you give away full control over your OS/product with other manufacturers. Anti virus software on Windows is something you chose to install.

No other manufacturer (except google) wants to be able to remotely control your device and not grant you your rightful ownership when you have bought the device.

You are getting a "feeling of security" from not owning your own device - great...
I would advertise that as a rather significant shortcoming. Which still doesn't solve the major issue... why does apple want full control over a device you own when you have bough it? Because as Pirx say, they want you to spend more money on them not make use of the device you have bought.

 

Apple doesn't make very much profit from iTunes (directly) at all. May come as a surprise, but they only get a small amount of each sale, and they have to pay for storage, bandwidth, power, payment processing fees, customer support, and employ many people to handle all the logistical and software aspects of iTunes.

That said, iTunes certainly brings in a lot of customers, so it's absolutely an asset, but it's not making them money directly. All their profit comes from hardware sales: iPods, iPhones, macs. This is their primary income stream.

If you get a billion dollars, but it costs a billion dollars, you make zero dollars.

If you get a billion dollars, and it costs 500 million dollars, you just made 500 million dollars. That's how numbers work.

 

The numbers are saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming, so I'm not sure why you're thanking me here?

Nice strategic hyphen placement. They are not iPad/iPhone-related. They are the iPad and iPhones themselves and those are definitely hardware.

Read the footnotes marked (3) and (7) (pdf); that's the media and software sales you're mistakenly thinking are Apple's core business. The rest is hardware.

If there's one thing Apple is objectively good at it's supply chain management.

I'm not sure if iSuppli is credible since Apple is very tight lipped, but the only guesstimate I've seen is from them and they peg the cost of material on a 32GB/3G iPad 2 at $336.60. Even with added overhead from things like marketing, software engineering and licensing, there's still a long, long way towards the wrong side of the $729 retail price. I think they've done similar back of the envelope calculations on the iPhone with roughly the same results.

Which "credible industry estimates" are saying that Apple sells anything at a loss? Care to cite anything? Bueller?

Cold hard facts like "In a way, an iPod or iPhone are nothing more than a special kind of particularly colorful credit cards. People like the pretty colors, and promptly send their money to Apple in return."

Facts like that?

Nary any value judgments in sight... besides the quote above.

Is that what you're getting out my post? I'm simply saying that Apple isn't acting with malice and that's definitely not the same as simultaneously saying that they are benevolent. I'm saying that they are neither or perhaps both like just about any publicly traded company.

Root exploits are due to the nature of all operating systems (ie. they contain bugs some of which are big).

I'm getting a feeling of security from not having my information stolen or deleted because I happened to open a particular homepage or use a particular app. A jailbreak exploit can be used (and is used) by power users and shady mobsters alike.

Anyway, we're getting close to a derail, so I suggest we take it over to another forum like perhaps the Apple forum?

 

Yes and no. Root exploits also exist because of incompetence.
Just look at how many security issues BlackBerry has per year in their OS - I think it is about 3. Software is never failsafe, true, but if you actually spend time developing it properly, it can be secure without depriving the device owner of control over their device.

In terms of having your data stolen: Ironically apple's restrictive policy doesn't help and malicious apps are still available
Also, why shouldn't apple at some point sell the information? Or why can't it be stolen from apple themselves? (Considering their rather bad track record with respect to acknowledging issues and fixing them.) It doesn't add any security, it just gives you a false feeling of security.
It would be secure if the device were designed to be secure autonomously!!

 

Because they support what I am saying.

You might want to read footnotes 4 and 5, too.

Cost of material, yes. I suppose assembly is free, in your world. So is R&D, right?

As you mention correctly, it's hard to get data on this kind of thing. Which is why I phrased what I said the way I phrased it.

Feel free to point out anything non-factual in these statements.

Also feel free to point out any value judgment either in these statements or anywhere else in my post in question.

Their main interest is in maximizing their profits, that's all. I take it we agree on that. In the process of doing so they make decisions that are not necessarily in the best interest of their customers. Again, in that respect they are not different from most other companies.

 

you didnt state if the windows machine was a completely different machine or a bootcamp partition. if its a bootcamp partition there is a way to share the library between the 2 operating system so the music only has to reside on one drive. it will be wasting a crapload of space if you copy your entire music collection to a windows boot partition and have it on both.

 

I did and they say absolutely nothing about software or media. Carrier agreements and iPod sweat bands, sure, but not media.

iTunes Store, App Store, iBookstore and the Mac App Store are specifically mentioned under (3) and (7). I really don't understand why you keep disputing this as the distinction is made pretty clear.

Assembly was included in the number I quoted, actually, and while I only mentioned three other costs besides the cost of materials (which you conveniently omitted in your quote), I'm fully aware that it isn't the only cost.

So instead of "credible industry estimates" a more truthful wording would've been "something that I just made up on the spot to help my shaky argument", yes? You don't really have a cite, do you?

Apple customers buy Apple products simply because they "like the pretty colors". They are also nothing but Apple ATMs. That's bordering on insulting and not anything close to factual.

 

Ironically it is the truth though
Well, I suppose Pirx forgot to include "licked smooth by Steven Jobs"... and good riddance to that guy.

 

I got a feeling this thread gonna be closed...

 

That's not what I said.

 

Yay fanbois tennis

 

Really now men.

Well, I know. Apple brings out the worst in posters. Hardly ever a calm, polite discussion when it comes to Apple. Not even on Apple-centric websites.

So you know, not that I need to say it.