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    best mKV conveter....plz

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by neo143, May 11, 2009.

  1. neo143

    neo143 Notebook Consultant

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    plz can someone tell me the best mkx converter available..even if i got to pay its ok..i wanna rip my dvds,bluray,avi,mpeg,mp4 etc.. to Mkv..as it the highes compression container..plz
     
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    Moved to Windows software forum.

    Most DVD and Blu-ray discs are encrypted so we really can't discuss those here. Otherwise, take a look at Avidemux.
     
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    Look up Handbrake. Its free, pretty fast, and has alot of options for the encoding.
     
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    what format atr you conerting from and to?
     
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    i use convertxtodvd and it works awesome edit ahh nevermind i see you want to go the other way..
     
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    handbrake looks very sweet wish they had one for the other way around..
     
  7. Koshinn

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    while not 100% what the OP wanted, what about a MKV -> AVI converter with the ability to select which subs/audio tracks you want to use?
     
  8. jackluo923

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    .AVI container doesn't support subs.
     
  9. Koshinn

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    right, i mean a program that will say, take an anime episode with both english and japanese speaking and english and japanese subtitles in mkv format, let you choose the audio track and convert it to an avi, as well as place those subtitles into the avi itself as part of the video that would of course be stuck in the frames of the video forever.

    failing that, a program that would let you choose the audio track and export the subtitles into an external file that can be loaded by a program like MPC.
     
  10. jackluo923

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    Perhaps a program such as premiere pro cs3/cs4 will do the trick.
    or
    http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/index.html
    http://coreforge.org/projects/mkvextractgui/

    after extraction, encode to whatever format you want with specific audio track into .avi container.
     
  11. ViciousXUSMC

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    dvdfab5 to rip

    staxrip
    handbrake
    megui
    avidemux

    one of those to encode.

    id recomend megui the most for you as it does the muxing seperate as it should be. MKVMerge is the program you want to put it all together in a .mkv file and select subs and stuff. Its built into the GUI it makes it easy to do for new people that cant run the programs in the command line.
     
  12. SDreamer

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    Best way to do it is multistep with multiple software. First use your own ripper of choice to get the audio stream, video stream, and subtitles (handbreak probably might be able to accomplish this). Once you get all that, just get mkvtoolkit from mkv's main site, and just mux them together (doesn't take much time to do this step). If anything it would take about the same amount of time to do this as a one click process, just maybe a few minutes, and a few more clicks. That's probably the best way to do it. Mkv has nice compression because usually compression is h264, but any video compression would work since mkv is just a container.
     
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    Is there a reason you're wanting to use AVI instead of MKV? MKV is a much superior container to AVI in all ways.

    Oh, and regarding the original post... MKV is NOT a high-quality container. It can contain anything an AVI can contain. The thing is that MKV does multiple streams of multiple types better, which is why high-quality releases are typically put into MKV format instead of AVI any more.
     
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    MKV supports tons more stuff than AVI, AVI is really outdated. Half of the stuff you see on the AVI container it doesnt even truly support by design but has been forced via untraditional "hacks" or work arounds. This is why it may play fine on one computer/setup and not on another.

    Its best to go with .mp4 or .mkv.

    I use .mp4 for max compatability. its equal to .mkv in about 98% of what it can do but .mkv still has a few extra tricks up its sleeve that anime subbers usually can make use of.

    But this is why I said mux/demux and stuff seperatly. Instead of a direct conversion from one format to another, just encode a raw H264 video file and a raw audio track and then you can mux them into a .mp4/.avi/.mkv as you see fit and go back and redo it or change it since you have the original demuxed sources.
     
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    Pitabred Linux geek con rat flail!

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    Sorry, should have made it clearer that I was asking Koshinn why he wanted an MKV->AVI converter. It's like asking how to convert 128kbps mp3's to 256kbps mp3's. Sure, you CAN do it. But it's not a good idea for any fathomable reason ;)
     
  17. ViciousXUSMC

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    Well there are many things the mkv may have embeded in it that will be lost going to .avi

    most of the good tools will have those "hacks" & workarounds built into them trying to clone over as many features as possible, but many of them simply are not properly or offically supported by .avi

    I agree no reason to go from .mkv to .avi

    I can see a reason to go from .mkv to .mp4 and that will go much smoother.

    My phone videos are an example, my phone supports H264 & AAC, but it wont play it if its in a .mkv container, only if its in a .mp4

    I use .M4A a lot also, as I tend to put my AAC files in there instead of leaving them as raw AAC tracks.
     
  18. Koshinn

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    To put them on my ipod and PS3, neither of which support mkv.

    Also, to edit them to make, say, an AMV.

    MP4 would be fine as well.
     
  19. ViciousXUSMC

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    Ipod supports .mp4 im sure ps3 does also, again its much more idential to the .mkv container and will be a smoother transaction.

    These are just the containers, generally the data inside is H264, DivX, or Xvid for the video, and AAC, AC3, or MP3 for the audio.

    IMO the best is H264 & AAC without a doubt, but you wouldnt take a file already encoded in Xvid and then recode it to H264 going from one lossless codec to another you just lose more quality so you have to do it right from the get go and encode it with the best codec from the source.

    edit: here you go found a page I was looking for.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats

    should be very helpfull in understanding why you want to avoid .avi look at all the unsupported things that has to be done via 3rd party and its really bad with H264.
     
  20. jackluo923

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    Depending on what kind of video, WMV-HD or VC-1 can be better than h.264.
     
  21. ViciousXUSMC

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    I disagree, but an open for you to show me your logic behind that.

    Id love to learn something new.

    H264 started as the ultimate HD codec but now its good for anything, even anime :p
     
  22. jackluo923

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    I'm not going to bother explaining everything.
    Here's a link if you want to get into the codec comparison.
    http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=184417335&pgno=1
    I'd be glad for you can understand 1/4 of the technical details of each codec.

    Anyways, the h264 and VC-1 (a.k.a WMVHD, NEROHD, DIVXHD..etc) are competing formats. Depending on the type of of media, sometimes one is better than the other.
     
  23. ViciousXUSMC

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    Oh my god lol, you need to get over to doom9 and catch up, H264 has way suppased all of that stuff. There are so many features missing in that article heck its from 2006!

    x264 is the most up to date, most versitie, best encoder period.

    The level of detail it can go into when you start tweaking individual settings is amazing, I understood that whole article thats why I quickly saw it was a waist of time since most of the information is invalid since its so old.

    If your not willing to take the time to compare some more and give proof of your argument then I say thats yielding that I was correct.

    We should find a video source (of your choice so you can even pick one that you think is best for the codecs you mentioned) and have an encoding challenge to see who can create the best file for quality & size.

    I have +rep for you on the line if you can win :p
     
  24. jackluo923

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    Give me a video and I'll challenge you. You can use h.264 and I'll use wmv-hd and let other NBR user decide which quality is better.

    If you're using Windows 7, there's a sample video in the video folder that's 6Mbps 1280x720 encoded with VC1 codec.

    With more advanced encoder, I could probably achieve the same result with 20% less bitrate.
     
  25. ViciousXUSMC

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    Awesome, we need to find some kind of easy to obtain source that is loss less or close to it.

    Thanks for taking the challenge your a good sport and this should be fun

    My only ideas are the HD clips from Microsoft or the HD Movie trailers from apples site right now, but the apple stuff is already in H264, not sure what the MS stuff is formated with.

    I could do a FRAPS recording when I get off work of Left 4 Dead, fraps saves it as a lossless codec, and it saves it in like 2.5gb chunks, so I can just upload the first chunk of footage and we can work with that.
     
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    You can download hi-quality sample HD-Video from here, but that would be kind of unfaire to you since it's pre-encoded to WMV-HD, but at very high bitrate.

    Maybe we should do an encoding challenge by downconverting it to 2MB and see which format's quality is better. That way, we can minimize the effects of converting to different format because the input quality is so high and output quality is so low.

    I suggest we test out this one:
    http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/1/b/41b10a4f-f4f4-4692-aa44-a458d0047e91/Robotica_1080.exe

    I don't like to waste my internet bandwidth and this video highdef video is only 20MB.

    The whole thing takes me about 10 seconds to download.

    "We should find a video source (of your choice so you can even pick one that you think is best for the codecs you mentioned) and have an encoding challenge to see who can create the best file for quality & size."
    After all, you said I can pick whatever video its best for the codec I'm using.
     
  27. ViciousXUSMC

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    Ok sounds good, im at work and only have my 10" eee pc with me, I'll have to d/l and convert when i get off work.

    do you want to do a 2mb video only or including audio?
     
  28. jackluo923

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    Video stream bitrate only. Since it wouldn't be fair otherwise because WMA 10 professional is much more superior than AAC. You'll need AAC-HD in order to compete with WMA 10 Pro.
     
  29. Pai

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    Since we are talking about MKV, I have a question of my own. How do you guys strip the subtitle off MKV files? I have used Handbrake and some other converters works great for Video and Audio tasks, but they tend to ignore the subtitle. Do I have to extra it first then added to the file later?
     
  30. ViciousXUSMC

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    id imagine mkvmerge can do it, I never use .mkv only because some of my devices dont handle that container and I would rather just have one file than two.

    It will depend on the subtitle type too, your going to have a hard time trying to remove hardcoded subs :p
     
  31. Pai

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    Hahaha. I don't think they are hardcoded, otherwise, it would of showed up in my newly converted files. :D

    I will need to look into this, as the transcoder i have doesn't work well with MKV yet. By the way, if anyone is looking for a good media streaming server for their device, I will recommend Tversity, works great for anything that's not MKV.
     
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    i use mkv to vob its designed to make mkv files ps3 playable but you can set audio output options and file extension, you can also strip subtitles from mkv files to....