Windows 10- Fall Update

This came out a few daze ago, mine updated this morning Win 10 Pro

Installed winver 10240 version 1507
Updated to 10586.3 version 1511

Its just like installing for the first time,,there is copy files , installing features and driver, and then Configuring settings, restart several times

Heres whats covered from windowscentral:

http://www.windowscentral.com/whats-new-windows-10-fall-update


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So basically... They're giving us back things we already had. What a joke.

Its nice to see that you can input a valid Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 license key in and not have to do the stupid upgrade process anymore but I wonder if that counts for OEM keys in the BIOS like my Sager EFI key?

 

Update privacy and stop forced hardware driver updates to acceptable points and I will be there, till then.

 

No can do. Just did a clean install, disabled automatic driver updates from everywhere I can think of. Just for testing, I didn't install the Intel Graphics Driver or the nVIDIA Driver, the moment I went online, Windows downloaded both drivers automatically and installed them. If I had more devices that I didn't previously installed the driver for, it would've probably have done the same, the biggest joke is, it doesn't even restart between them as you normally have to to ensure bug free installation of the driver, it installed a Flash Security update + both drivers updates then restarted. Great!

 

Stuck at 40% while updating... Again...

 

Guys this is a full OS installation not just a regular Windows update that leaves the old Original Windows 10 in the Windows.old folder, just as if you upgraded from Windows 7/8 to 10. The only thing left intact is your documents,pics, music, etc, all metro apps even if they were uninstalled will be back. I highly recommend a clean installation as after the upgrade, I lost WLAN connectivity no matter what I did, reinstalled driver, reset settings, nada, had to format and do a clean install.

Reminds me of the Windows 8 to 8.1 Update where sales executives at stores used to say when asked if the machine has Windows 8 or 8.1 preinstalled, "oh yes sir you can easily update to 8.1 once you turn your machine on" not knowing that the drivers for Windows 8.1 are diff. than those for Windows 8 (some of them at least) which may result in the system to not function right or heck even brick it. This is no different.

@toughasnails @Ethrem @Mr. Fox

 

how does this upgrade work if you're running windows 10 through bootcamp

 

I have to ask, if it leaves a windows_old, then if you upgraded before from W7 to keep the old windows apps do you now loose them? Do you loose the 30 day regrade you had too?

 

Another fine mess brought to you by Microsoft.

 

For those that upgraded from Win 7/8 to Win 10 within the last 31 days the 10586 build (fall update) will not appear in your updates until 31 days have elapsed from the date of your Win 10 upgrade.

 

So those forcing it with the iso will loose downgrade rights?

 

The way I understand it that's correct, though I can't say with any certainty.

Anyone know if you manually upgrade to the 10586 build via the ISO, within 31 days of Win 10 upgrade, if you loose your rights to downgrade?

 

If you use a Win 7 / Win 8 key to do a clean install OR upgrade to Win 10, be it Build 10240 or 10586, your Win 7/8 key will still be valid and the machine can be activated using that same key with no time limit. I have asked this question before on MDL forums and the pros there confirmed it. The only catch is you cannot have both of the OSes activated at the same time, either 7/8 or 10 (at least by theory)

 

My interest is in those that do not backup and want to restore with all programs intact. I know we techies are covered but I worry about those others.

 

I have read others had major problems when trying to downgrade. Just like you cannot rely on the upgrade to work smoothly and a clean install is recommended, the same goes for the downgrade, clean install FTW.

I think the non-techies are d00m3d to be honest if they don't have a tech savvy friend or family member to help them with this.

 

One of the reasons I recommend to others not to upgrade, you can not count on the downgrade.

 

The 10586 build showed up in my updates this morning, it installed without a hitch, took about 1.5 hours. There is no option to downgrade (my 30 day window had already expired).

 

So after two failed attempts to install, I no longer receive the update...
Dammit MS...

 

I'm not sure if this applies to you or not, but thought i'd share it just in case.... http://news.softpedia.com/news/wind...ber-update-installation-problems-496086.shtml

 

Yeah I read about SD problems, unfortunately too late.

 

you don't wanna upgrade anyway, it's a mess! clean install FTW

 

I upgraded my laptop yesterday, everything went smoothly for me, took about 30/40 min to do everything.

I had to reinstall the latest nvidia driver as windows automatically force me to reistall the 353xx, as I have Prema BIOS with a 970M installed on my P170SM, need to modify the .inf file.

I noticed an increase in performance while playing Fallout 4 , not sure yet, as I need to run some benchmarks but my character definitely move smoothly then before, also no more lag during the game.

Someone else has the same feedback? Or is it only me?

 

Yeah, you're right. But I'm so not in the mood to reinstall the rest of the crap afterwards...

 

None of my privacy settings, or drivers were lost. Though I'd like future build updates to me a little faster and more streamlined in the future. IDGAF that my files are exactly where I left them, just install the update and give me my desktop back.

 

Updated without issues here, all good.

Oh by the way if you guys think about updating your tablet - make sure you have 10-12GB free space available and half of this free space have to be available on your system C:\ drive.

 

Same here. Most people I know have done the same. I don't get the 'clean install' only mantra. Some people just like to think they're smarter than MS i guess....and maybe they are...

 

Ahahaha

 

Here's my experience of the latest update to Windows 10 on Nov 13th (cut & pasted from my post on Microsoft forums):

Since the latest Update to Windows 10 boot times have slowed to 45secs, up from 15secs prior to update. This doesn't occur all the time, occasionally it will still boot in 15secs (but that's quite rare).

Using the Windows Logs I found out what specifically is causing the sporadic long boot times: BootExplorerInitTime. I believe that to be the time it takes to load up Explorer.exe (and this is the length of time between entering the user account password & the desktop appearing) - it's taking about 38 secs to load up that - when boot times are good then this part only take a few seconds.

I tried creating another local user account & rebooting with that account & boot time was really fast, about 15secs. However, as soon as the original slow user account was deleted, then the slow boots started occurring with the fresh user account I had created.

I then tried reinstalling Windows 10 clean (without keeping programs or files). Boot times were really fast (15secs) to start with, but after installing my programs it slowed down to often booting in the slow 45secs. Now it's pretty much always booting at the slow 45secs. I tried uninstalling all programs I'd installed since the last known good fast boot, but still the slow 45sec boots occur. I'm tempted to conclude that it's not any of my programs causing slowdowns in boot up because uninstallation doesn't help, and also because boot logs show no programs slowing down the bootup process. BootExplorerInitTime is still the culprit, and I think it's just a bug in the latest build in relation to my system - it seems to me that the more times the PC is restarted the more often the slow boots occur. On a fresh installation boot times are 15secs, then sporadically restarts will be 45secs, then after enough restarts then boot times are always 45 secs. BootExplorerInitTime is about 35secs in the case of the slow boots - all of that extra 30secs accounted for by that. I'm thinking that Microsoft need to offer a patch that irons out this problem, although I don't see many or any people with the same issue!

 

I think you hit on something there, on my other notebook for some unexplained reason(Acer) my 840 EVO went from 550/520 MB/s read/write to ~ 440/420, I did an advanced Performance Optimization will see if this brings back read/write speed.

I found out from M$ this update is sent out by Clusters, that is the earlier you upgraded to W-10, the earlier you get this fall update.

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Mine's not related to 840 Evo read speeds, I've checked those - they're fine - it's purely related to the latest Windows Update. (Make sure you have the latest firmware installed for your Evo - they fixed it with the latest).

EDIT: The microsoft tech support asked me to run a boot trace - for some reason the boot times have decreased back to the very fast 15sec since running the boot traces. My laptop has been sat idle for a long time today prior to running the boot traces - maybe Windows 10 optimised the start up in it's idle time?? I've rebooted a couple of times now without recording a trace and it's faster than it's ever been - 12 to 13sec boot time.

EDIT#2: spoke to soon, still getting slow boots, in process of trying to be lucky enough to log a slow boot.

EDIT#3: looks like it was Avira Free Antivirus causing the longer boot times since the latest update to Windows. Microsoft community techs helped me find out by analysing boot trace logs. I've done 10 restarts so far with Avira uninstalled & boot time is all in the 13-15 sec range. Hopefully Avira or Microsoft will address this issue because I do like Avira Antivirus - for the time being I'm using Windows Defender to be 100% sure that the cause of the slow boots was Avira, and I may switch back to Avira anyway.

 

My upgrade went fine. If you are getting the 44 percent update fail just remove the sd card if you have one in your machine.

The bug seems to be specific too: if you begin the installation process, the Windows 10 November update will stop responding at the 44% marker.

According to Microsoft, the company has been observing that "some devices" that have an "SD bus with an SD card inserted" may experience some issues trying to install the update.

While the software giant keeps investigating the issue and offers a permanent solution, it recommends users to remove the SD card from their computers, before proceeding with the install.

This is the site I found it on: http://www.windowscentral.com/how-prevent-windows-10-november-update-getting-stuck

 

Updated my previous post - looks like it was Avira Antivirus that was slowing down boot times since this Threshold 2 Windows 10 Fall update.

EDIT: reported this issue to the Avira techs, along with a link to the Microsoft thread where conclusions were drawn, hopefully Avira will release a patch:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...o/1352be46-7dd0-4d69-9d7e-fac72125e464?page=1

 

Well, that sucks. Should we really expect anything great from the morons in Redmond at this point in time? My mama used to tell me that by expecting nothing I would never be disappointed. I think applying that philosphy here is smart advice, LOL.

 

Boot time scans are going to slow down your boot, especially if they are to be most effective - running first before anything else loads - and that is a good thing.

There are often options to change the boot scan order, such as this example for Avast!, which gives you an option to run after Windows Services have all started - effectively allowing you to get to the desktop before starting the boot scan.

How to Stop Slow Start-up (Boot) with Avast! Antivirus 2015
http://www.getavast.net/support/stop-slow-startup-boot



As Windows optimized boot times, boot services like this start to stick out over the "fast" boot times.

You can check your anti-virus for similar options.

 

Thanks for the info. The slow boots (sporadic) only started happening after the latest Fall Windows update (Threshold 2), so it's not an inherent problem within Avira, Avira just need to address this issue with the latest Windows update. Avira used to have an option you could choose during setup to decided if you wanted scanning at boot or not - that option is no longer available, I think they've made it standard that boot scanning is enabled in all situations. I may switch to another free antivirus product if I get fed up with the slow boots though.

 

Lol @ 45 second boot time being slow! I remember waiting three or four minutes before the computer was usable back in the day XD

But I know what you're talking about, I went nuts when I didn't have my beast mode laptop and had to deal with 2 minute boot times on my old Dell haha.

 

Yeah, that extra 15 to 20 seconds is going to cost the average user an extra 30 to 60 seconds a day tops if they are smart enough to shut things down when not using their computer. Over the course of a year, that's probably going to amount to a maximum of 52 minutes of your life you'll never get back. Oh, the horror of it all!

 

Whenever you install driver or important software you need to reboot. The difference between 20 sec boot and 45 sec is the step from seamless to very annoying.

 

That's true, but Windows 10 is extremely annoying even when the boot time is normal, so there's still that problem to deal with. Being annoying is something they're really good at.

 

Don't have the balls to install TH2 yet on my Notebook after it made my Desktoprig permacrashing and spam TDRs, dunno why but my stability was gone. Tried almost everything like going back to older nVidia drivers + using DDU, SFC /scannow, DISM.exe ... yeah you know the drill, went back to 10240 everything works again. WHQL still means something i guess

 

TH2 should be treated like any other service pack - avoid like the plague for the first 6-9 months.

 

Indeed... most of the "features" touted as enhancements in the article linked in the opening post are worthless cruft that are fantastic reasons to avoid this update. Stuff like more spaces for tile crap on the so-called "Start Menu" and Cortana getting more steroids to enhance her surveillance abilities. Then there is the latest abortion with "Settings" being intended to replace Control Panel to make things more of a pain in the arse to deal with when you want to change settings. Why not just stop it with "fixing" what ain't broken? Want to rename Control Panel "Settings" ...ok, fine, pfffft. Whatever floats their boat... can't say that I actually give a rat's fanny what they call it as long as they stop breaking things and knock it off with the malware crap. It think the underlying issue is the "control" part of Control Panel. Control is one thing they seem absolutely hell-bent on stripping from consumer abilities with PC. They want exclusive control over everything, and expect us to be happy about whatever they decide we are worthy of having access to. If I wanted them to control everything and make all of my decisions for me, I'd be playing games and web browsing with a stinking XBOX pathetic turd computer console with their name plastered on it. These clowns deserve a capital "F" for their performance. Not only as a letter grade, but the first letter of a very naughty expletive that aptly describes this piece of digital excrement OS they want us to get excited about.

 

You guys all hit the nail on the head. Fox & Ethrem I just like to have my PC optimised, if it's not optimised it makes me mad, I should be more tolerant! And JamesD, you're right, that's when it's at it's most annoying - when installing programs & drivers!

 

If you want your PC to optimized, the that calls into question the rationale for having Windoze OS X installed, since it is a Procrustean solution to save them from having to use resources to develop platform-specific operating systems that function flawlessly on devices they are designed to function correctly on. I don't want a filthy smartphone/tablet/XBOX/netbook OS on my beast machine.

 

What's funny is that it actually runs fine on my Xbox...

 

That's where their focus is, so that makes sense. PC is an afterthought, especially enthusiast PC.

 

Haha, I thought you might say that when I saw a notification that you quoted my post! Benchmark wise physics scores are lower in Windows 10 in comparison to Windows 7, but game benchmarks on the ones I've tested all were pretty much the same except for Arkham Origins (which was significantly lower in performance than Windows 7). I think the snappiness of program opening & the snappiness of the interface is better in Windows 10, so I actually like this OS, the privacy issues that have been discussed many times over don't bother me much either.

 

*deleted* - strange duplicate post, don't blame it on the Windows, blame it on the boogie!

 

You must be using edge and telemetry sensed a positive W10 post.

 

Just got update yesterday to Version 1511 OS Build 10586.11

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