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    Vista SP1 problems

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by magma_saber, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. magma_saber

    magma_saber Notebook Consultant

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    After i installed vista sp1 i started experiencing some problems. I can't open my control panel anymore. Also I can't use the aero theme anymore. I updated my video card drivers and it still didn't work. Can someone help me?
     
  2. dmorris68

    dmorris68 Notebook Consultant

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    I'm running it on my Sony AR670 and have no problems at all. Sounds like maybe a corrupted install. Did you see any errors or anything unusual during install?

    Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling SP1?
     
  3. Nocturnal310

    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    thats why i have dual-booted to Vista n XP ...i ll try SP1 on official release..

    I have lost trust in MS

    as dmorris68 said u can Try Reinstalling SP1
     
  4. NotebookYoozer

    NotebookYoozer Notebook Evangelist

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    wait, the guy is having issues with a beta and that's reason to say you've lost trust in MS? you yourself allude to the fact the sp is not an official release
     
  5. f4ding

    f4ding Laptop Owner

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    I'm sure he meant Vista...but on the other hand, maybe you're right. Maybe Vista is still beta..
     
  6. AKAJohnDoe

    AKAJohnDoe Mime with Tourette's

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    SP1 for Vista and SP3 for XP are both still beta. You takes your chances.
     
  7. dmorris68

    dmorris68 Notebook Consultant

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    Not technically beta. Vista SP1 is at RC level, which is the next stage past beta and before release. Granted, it isn't production yet, but it isn't released to RC until all the known beta issues are worked out. It might be a minor distinction to you, but as a developer it's significant to me. ;)

    IMO, based on my experience with it, there are no issues and I expect to see it RTM any day now. Officially announced release is for Q1.
     
  8. AKAJohnDoe

    AKAJohnDoe Mime with Tourette's

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    Everything before GA is beta. Heck, one could make a strong argument that everything from Microsoft that is pre-SP2 is beta.
     
  9. ikovac

    ikovac Cooler and faster... NBR Reviewer

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    You can uninstall RC1 and see what happens. It leaves one device in device manager BTW.

    Good old MS.

    Ivan
     
  10. dmorris68

    dmorris68 Notebook Consultant

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    We'll agree to disagree. ;)

    Very much agree. ;)
     
  11. Jalf

    Jalf Comrade Santa

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    Hardly "all known issues".
    All known showstoppers, sure. Usually, RC means that "if no further critical bugs are found, this is what we'll release". It hardly means there are no known bugs. Just that the ones that are known aren't serious enough to delay release.

    Also, I suspect that at Microsoft, RC *does* mean beta. Look at Vista's launch. RC1 was hardly what you or I would call a "release candidate". They changed a ton of things between that and launch. Not just bugfixes but actual changes as well. They even had time to change the driver model between RC1 and RC2.
    I don't believe that *anyone* at Microsoft seriously thought of RC1 as a release candidate. It was beta 3, and RC2 was beta 4l, regardless of what RC *normally* means. Even RC2 was very different from release.

    IMO we're seeing an issue with it right now. Read the first post in this thread.
     
  12. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    I completely agree. Although it is a public RC, it is NOT the final release. I'm thinking the reason Microsoft started doing public pre-releases is to find issues that may not be caught in-house. Therefore, any issues experienced should be reported so that they can be resolved before the final release.
     
  13. Matt is Pro

    Matt is Pro I'm a PC, so?

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    They want users to test their product in a real world environment. Many things can be caught and resovled this way that MS's OWN testing could miss.

    And for all you complainers...

    Relax, it's not officially released. A LOT can happen between now and then.
     
  14. lokster

    lokster Notebook Deity

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    i suggest system restore. or a reinstallation of the sp1 RC

    LOL any yet you use 2 OS of MS. switch to something else


    btw havent installed SP1 on my laptop. dont see a neeed for it as everything is in working order.
     
  15. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    What device does RC1 install????

    Gary
     
  16. dmorris68

    dmorris68 Notebook Consultant

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    We're straying off-topic with this discussion, so I'll put in my last $0.02 and shut up about it...
    I know this, I was referring to "showstopper" issues. Obviously no large and complex piece of software, particularly one as complex as a service pack for a modern OS that is expected to run on a near infinite possible combination of hardware, will ever be bug-free. I don't care who writes it.

    As a software developer for over 20 years, and a project manager now, I've been though more alpha/beta/gamma/RC cycles than I can count. I'm aware of how it works. I'm also aware that every company has a different track record with regards to software quality at various stages of release (including RTM), and I'm not a Microsoft fanboy for sure. Far from it.

    We can argue semantics all day, but in general RC is of a quality beyond beta. As you said, "if no critical bugs are found, this is what we'll release." In other words, they're at feature freeze, ready to release, and wanting more widespread testing before they call it done. Sure, things can change and last minute "new" features can be shoe-horned in. Which in my opinion should take it back to beta status, but of course that doesn't always happen.

    And of course this has to be taken within the context of the company writing the software. Microsoft RC9 might equal Company XYZ beta1 in quality, for example, I'm not arguing the quality of any specific RC release over any other, merely that the term indicates a higher-then-beta level within the context of said project. As I said, to laymen there may be no distinction, but as a developer I was pointing out (being playfully cheeky, or so I thought) that RC != beta.

    The OP having a problem is also not indicative of SP1 still being "beta." There will always be people that have problems with any complex piece of software, no matter how refined and mature it may be. You wouldn't have much use for these forums and forums like them if that weren't the case. Overall, I've had ZERO issues with SP1, nor has anyone I know who has installed it. It's anecdotal to be sure, but I didn't claim there were no possible issues with it at all, only that it seemed in my experience to be stable and ready for mainstream release.
     
  17. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    What he said... ^^^

    Gary
     
  18. ikovac

    ikovac Cooler and faster... NBR Reviewer

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    Not strictly a device, although it is listed in the device manager.

    I think it is called WAN miniport SSTP protocol or something in Networking devices (i don't have my vista notebook now in front of me) that could have been there even before RC1 (properly installed since I don't remember any yellow exclamations there before), but definitely has a yellow exclamation mark after you remove RC1. It cannot be properly installed/uninstalled anymore, and if you google it seems that people have found a solution for it.

    For example:
    http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2615113&SiteID=17

    Ivan
     
  19. magma_saber

    magma_saber Notebook Consultant

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    How do i uninstall vista sp1? I can't access the installed updates through the control panel.
     
  20. AKAJohnDoe

    AKAJohnDoe Mime with Tourette's

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    Reinstall Vista. That is the main difference between beta (or RC) and GA. A beta/RC is just that: Still in testing. A GA service pack has been released and has the recovery attributes surrounding it. Oh, and a GA service pack is supposed to work, too!
     
  21. dmorris68

    dmorris68 Notebook Consultant

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    SP1 RC1 *is* uninstallable. In fact, they just released a refresh build, and those of us running a prior RC build are told we must uninstall the prior one first. The only thing about it that is permanent are the 3 pre-requisite hotfixes that are required before any SP1 (RC or GA) can be installed.

    If you can't access the Installed Updates dialog, then you have something hosed on your system. It works fine for me:

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