Dell is backing off of Vista

Well, heres a big blow to Vista and all of its problems.

Seems Dell announced today that it will give people the option to have XP preinstalled in their desktop computers as well as "ALL" of their inspirion notebooks instead of Vista.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/04/19/dell.casts.doubts.on.vista/

 

Dell has had the option since Vista came out.

Edit: Correction. All Latitude and Precision models have that option.

 

The article clearly states:

"Dell today revealed that it will restore the option to use Windows XP ..."

so at some time Dell had a policy to ship and make their computers ONLY with Vista pre-installed.

This announcement today states they are 'restoring the option' to choose Xp over Vista due to customer complaints

 

I know, I said I was incorrect. The Latitude and Precision laptops always had the XP option if someone did not want Vista. The Business Inspirons also have that option, but that might be new. I never kept track of Inspiron laptops because I do not like them:tongue: .

 

If this does not prove sales have gone down since they switched to Vista only, I don't know what does.

Matt

 

I insists my laptop comes installed with Vista. Every operating system has problems when it is introduced.

 

Agreed, but should problems not be solved via beta testers? I did not sign up to be a beta tester that I'm aware of, yet I've reported over 15 issues so far...

 

That logic makes sense to everyone except Business majors.

 

This is good that they have chosen to go this route. Might show Microsoft that they were a bit hasty to get it out the door. Yet as an insider I might mention that several testers have brought up issues that were not present during testing. Believe me when I say this but the best way to get the rest of the bugs weeded out is to just get it out to the public. We got rid of all the major ones and now we just need to get rid of the remaining software conflicts, driver issues, and so forth.

 

Dell Australia never stopped offering XP.

 

I just don't like OS's until SP1. I just got my G2P two weeks ago and have Win XPMCE, no vista for me.

 

I ended up returning my HP dv9000t with Vista and getting a MacBook Pro instead. Probably the best decision I've ever made.

 

It's about time. What the article didn't mention is the behind-the-scene effort by all of us at www.vistasucks.org to push for more choices for consumers.

 

it may help to state specific issues they you've _personally_ encountered with vista than to spew baseless assumptions. if you don't like vista then don't use it. there's no need to constantly justify your reasoning behind it. it's as simple as that.

 

I've had some personal encounters with Vista, and it's almighty DRM/WGA crapola. Needless to say, that ended with my reformatting my system.

 

Shameless plug, I believe.

Don't believe it's just your community that caused this. People from many different communities have been complaining to Dell about their lack of choice.

BTW, as of the time of this post, your server can't be found.

 

Vista SP1 should be out be the end of the year and MS said they will stop selling OEM XP by January 2008. If anything this just delays things a bit.

Vista is coming and no one can stop it.

 

No one is trying to stop it. All we are asking is the opportunity to choose. If Microsoft is so confident of Vista, it shouldn't have a problem selling it side by side with XP and let consumers decide which OS is better for them.

Microsoft knows Vista is an inferior product and the only way to sell it is forcing people to buy it. When people dare to complain, they can expect to hear the usual nonsense like "if you don't like it, don't use it." If you are a Windows user and the only Windows OS is Vista, what else is there to use?

Microsoft knows that if given choices people would choose the best product. And this is exactly why they are forcing Vista down our throat.

 

Beta testers couldn't exactly test the new hardware and software not yet released until after vista was sent out for retail. (new software/hardware is STILL being released trying to gain compatibility with vista so there are still going to be more bugs)




also, if microsoft can squeeze anymore sales out of their previous operating system, Im sure they dont mind. Both Vista and XP both Are MS products so either way their selling an OS.




btw. "www.vistasucks.org"... imo theres so much wrong with that. If your really interesting in more choices and or changing things, find out how to do it in a more positive way.

 

Yea. vistasucks.org gives a bad image. Don't know what was on it before...

Anyways I'd just thought to mention that I never actually ever hated Vista. I have it running on my desktop and have found it to be quite stable imho. Granted this does not speak of the other 99.9% of vista users but it is stable for me. I do think I need to replace the motherboard on it though for other reasons I am not going to go into right now. Now then, I got my copy of Vista for free. Yep. Never actually had to pay for it. It is one legal retail license that I got for free. If I had to pay for my copy I would of been like everyone else. Waited until Service Pack 1 which is expected later this year to coincide with the Windows Longhorn Server launch.

 

How are you so sure MS knows "Vista is an inferior product"? That's an irresponsible statement. MS spent almost $5b developing Vista. They have shareholders to report to; in the business world no way you admit something like that. You make it better, which is what MS has done over the years - from 3.1 to Vista. Was XP better than ME and 98? Of course, but every one of these OS developed over time as well. MS is not abandoning support for XP; it has to support it since they have a huge retail and enterprise base. But technology evolves. Like it or not, MS was at that forefront. Not saying they're perfect, but who else has developed such a mass OS used by the world? Also, keep in mind the majority of these posts are people looking for help with Vista issues; the flip side is that there are many users out there using Vista successfully (myself included). A user can also help themself my reading and researching Vista's processes before buying (knowledge is power). Rather than saying "Vista sucks" and looking back, we need to be more knowledgable about what it offers.

 

People are looking for Vista issues because there ARE issues. The percentage of Vista users is infinitesimally small compared to XP. Vista is a good os but in its current state offers little benefit over XP for the mainstream consumer. When someone installs Vista and finds driver/software/hardware incompatability issues they will undoubtedly think Vista is a bad product (which it's not). It needs more time to evolve and it eventually will supercede XP as the mainstream os. I will not install Vista on my primary notebook because I don't want to waste my time searching for drivers and fix compatability issues. That should have been done by Microsoft before Vista was released

 

Whether or not Vista is "inferior", "superior", or "annoying", it is the case that there are a sizable number of users who'll currently be better served by XP. Good call, Dell.

 

Sweet! A week or so ago, a friend asked me for advice on a new laptop, and I was shocked to see Dell didn't offer XP any more... Well, guess they've come to their senses.

 

I'm also happy that Dell is offering XP with their Inspiron notebooks.

 

Yet that is a near impossible request. If microsoft took the time to do that then Vista would of never been released. Why? Because Microsoft would also have to be sure that there were drivers available upon launch.

This is something that is tasked to every manufacturer of each device. Something that they are aware of and know that they should be doing. All of the major manufacturers were advised to have drivers ready by Vista launch. They were all told when Vista was going to launch. They were all provided the code required to make their driver work with Vista along with the driver model that they had to go by. They had plenty of time to do this. Also they had some free testers too.

A lot of us beta testers were more than willing to test drivers for Vista for some of the devices that did not function during testing because there were no drivers ready yet. HP was one that didn't release any drivers until a month after Vista released to the public. HP said use the drivers built-in to Vista. For me that was unacceptable. I had a very good reason. I had the multi-function printer setup via the network. Only the printer portion was accessable via a driver in Vista and the scanner using a web-based gui built into the printer but that would not work forever. I switched to Canon who had their drivers out back in November when Vista was released to business users.

 

A lot of the problems that are surrounding Vista is DX10. Theres a big void between the graphic card makers and the Vista OS.
Gamers push their cards to the max and Vista is bottlenecking the performance of cards that were designed for DX9.
Both DX's are totally diff architectures so gamers who expect what they have been expecting on XP are the most vocal (hence the class action lawsuit)
nVidia can blame MS or MS can blame nVidia. Either way both (or 3 or them including ATi) are all not on the same page.

Besides the vid card issues the softwear incompatibility issues with Vista is growing everyday and is getting out of hand.