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    Best free secure erase/delete app?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by techNOguy, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. techNOguy

    techNOguy Notebook Consultant

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    I'm considering selling some of my harddrives (FAT32 and NTFS) which I have already formatted. But before I do, I'd like the peace of mind that my previously stored information is not recoverable. What is the best free application that wipes the harddrive clean and prevents data recovery? I've heard of eraser and a few others. Is it true that these apps still leave the filenames intact?
     
  2. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Eraser...'nuff said.
     
  3. Gregory

    Gregory disassemble?

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    The programs that run within Windows will leave the filenames intact because they can't erase the Master File Table (because Windows is using it). Use DBAN. There are lots of options depending how secure you want to be. The Department of Defense option is probably secure enough.

    http://dban.sourceforge.net/

    EDIT: Actually thinking about it more if you are plugging into the drive externally (not booting from it), then Eraser will securely erase everything fine.
     
  4. Gintoki

    Gintoki Notebook Prophet

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    I second Eraser, it doesn't leave behind file names. Everything gets overwritten multiple times and everything is destroyed.
     
  5. techNOguy

    techNOguy Notebook Consultant

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    The majority will be external HDDs (never booted from, only used to store data) but I may also sell my notebook HDD once I upgrade it to a larger one. If I wanted to securely erase my notebook HDD (while installed) just prior to upgrading, would DBAN be the better option?
     
  6. Gregory

    Gregory disassemble?

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    Well if that is the only hard drive you have to boot from, then yes BDAN will be better. DBAN runs from a CD so it doesn't use the hard drive while working. This allows it to erase every sector of the drive.

    However the downside to DBAN is that your computer is unusable while it is working, so it can get boring waiting for it :cool: . (Expect hours).
     
  7. vashts121

    vashts121 Notebook Evangelist

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    I used Eraser, and then the power went out (I never have my battery when Im, plugged into the wall), and when the power came back on a lot of Windows was corrupt. I couldn't view images with the Windows Picture Viewer, music would give me bsod'd instantly, programs would error on boot and some of my right-click context menus disappeared. I use Clean Disk Security now, haven't had a problem yet.
     
  8. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That is probably because Eraser was cleaning the MFT the moment your power went out.

    Lesson learned: get a backup power source.
     
  9. techNOguy

    techNOguy Notebook Consultant

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    Wait, so does Eraser wipe the MFT or not?
     
  10. Gregory

    Gregory disassemble?

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    As far as I knew it doesn't. Most wiping programs can't access it while Windows is running... But Greg seems to know what he's talking about, so maybe I'm wrong here.

    Just looked up on google. It appears that it does, however that seems a little pointless as a new MFT record would be created for all the files currently on the computer... DBAN seems like a more comprehensive solution with that in mind. Since I think Eraser actually uses DBAN to run.
     
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    TheRealFireblade Notebook Consultant

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  12. techNOguy

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    Using Eraser, how do you completely remove all the data on an external harddrive, not just the unused space? I formatted, used Eraser, and noticed that 1-2gb of space is still being used.

    I take it this is Eraser?

    As for DBAN, it doesn't work with my M1530. Worked fine on my older laptop though. I'm assuming it is a notebook SATA compatibility issue?
     
  13. Gregory

    Gregory disassemble?

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    DBAN should work with SATA... Are you sure you're using the latest version?

    If you're having trouble with the direct download try the one on UBCD:

    http://www.dban.org/download

    http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

    Sorry I can't help with your Eraser issue, as I favor DBAN :). But I'd think if you remove all the partitions prior to wiping than the program should address every sector.
     
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    knightingmagic Notebook Deity

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    If you're feeling extra paranoid, let the drive soak in some salt water after you zero it.
     
  15. techNOguy

    techNOguy Notebook Consultant

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    Wouldn't that damage the drive? I want to sell it, not destroy it.

    Gregory, I'm using the latest stable DBAN release 1.0.7. But I will try your removed partition method. Thanks.
     
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    *Daystar* Seahawk Fan!

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    LOL..he was being sarcastic..of course it would damage it.
    I would also have to say active killdisk. i have used that for 4 years when needed and love it!
     
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    i am also considering selling my current laptop and was wondering if Eraser will remove the current updates and who the computer is registered to?
     
  18. techNOguy

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    Just a minor update. Removing all partitions from the harddrive prevents it from showing up in Eraser.