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Coz the main reason everyone s switching to opera coz of speed dial...
But FF has this add on...
So how many with me??
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They're both great browsers.
For me, Opera just works out of the box. A few clicks, and in less then 60 seconds I have done all the tweaking I need for my personal taste.
FF, on the other hand, requires more extensions to get it up to the same level of utility I get from Opera.
Speed Dial, though, is a feature I never use. It doesn't fit in with the way I work.
Again, both are great programs. Which one is better depends on how you like to work while online.
...My crappy two cents
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I'm just gonna be lazy and copy a post I made in another recent thread.
And before that, add a few more things I consider highlights in Opera:
Extreme interface, button, and hotkey customizability (probably my favourite feature overall).
Hotkeys for everything - use them or not.
Has the features of Firefox plus 80+ plugins right out of the box (Firefox is an extremely basic browser until you start adding plugins, whether or not that's a pro or a con is a matter of opinion and personal preferences of course).
And the copy/paste job (looks like I might have repeated myself with at least one of the points above):
"I think browser preference is often entirely a matter of what you're used to.
I've been using Opera for 6-8+ hours a day for the last several years (jumped on board around version 7.5 - in 2004 I think, though I had tried older versions as well), and while I've tried using Firefox just to see what it was like (I've got it installed to check my websites look okay), I'll swear any day of the week that Opera is better than FF plus 50ish plugins.
Obviously I'm quite certain that any Firefox fan would say the exact opposite.
I've seen a list comparing FF plugins to Opera features (the vast majority of them native, some available with userJS), and you need something like 80+ FF plugins to get the equivalent of the built-in functionality of Opera (though on a day to day basis most users obviously only need a fraction of all those features no matter which browser they use - and with Opera specifically, considering you may not actively go searching for them like you would a plugin, chances are you may never find many of them. I still occasionally come across really useful Opera features I have never noticed before, only to find out they've actually been there for years).
On the flip side, both browsers had something that either wasn't available with the other one, or which was handled better or worse - or just differently." -
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I wish both Firefox and Opera would take a lesson from IE and get rid of their broken image place holders that display while the page is loading. It detracts from both. Ugly 90's tech.
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One problem with new users (Firefox users in particular) trying out Opera, is that there's very little chance they will actually realize how powerful and featureful that browser is in the relatively short time most computer users (including myself in most cases) dedicate to try out a new piece of software as a potential replacement for another one.
In any case, since the chances of me being converted to Firefox are near non-existent, I probably shouldn't expect to haul in any Opera converts myself.
I believe they are both really great browsers (though you'll obviously need a load of plugins to get Firefox up to scratch in terms of features, but some people believe the modular nature is a plus of course - I don't really, as with Firefox it apparantly doesn't lead to lower resource requirements or speed improvements compared to Opera), but they are also so substantially different in those small but important factors like interface, hotkeys, tab and window behaviour etc., that it really seems sort of pointless to force yourself into adopting another set of habits, unless you're actively dissatisfied with your current browser. -
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I have had both on my notebook for the last 2 years. I use both daily and very much like both of them. But it's still Firefox for the win. Just my opinion, though.
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Yeah, the gadgets was definately one of the more... well, misplaced additions. Or at least I've shut it off again immediately after trying it out a couple of times (I do however use a few Vista sidebar gadgets).
Regarding the "anyone can make FF the way they want", and "open source is so cool" comments.
That's all well and fine and most certainly strong points, but you could pretty much say the exact same thing about Opera (well, at least the first one, and I personally couldn't care less whether an application is open source or not if it has everything I need and then some).
As I've already pointed out, it has the built-in functionality of Firefox plus well over 50 plugins (found the list here: http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html), and the interface is extremely customizable (moving toolbars around, adding buttons and search fields, creating custom toolbars and buttons and so on), something FF as far as I know can't match even with plugins (I could be wrong though?). -
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I could have sworn I edited out the end bracket before I even hit submit on the post - guess I didn't.
The forum software isn't smart enough to realize that the end bracket isn't part of the url when you have it in a parenthesis, so it includes it, leading to an error.
Remove it and it should work:
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That's odd. I just got an error as well, but a second later it was working.
The link works for me as I'm typing this, but perhaps they are having some server issues.
... Nope, doesn't work in IE. And in fact it didn't work for me in Opera either until I had accessed it once through a bookmark (I had had the browser shut down once since I wrote the original post - and actually the only reason it appears to work now is obviously because it's loading the page from the local cache).
I know about image hotlink and direct link prevention/protection, but blocking links to a regular page? If that's what's happening here it's definately the first time I've seen that. Strange to say the least.
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Okay, let's try one last time
. It looks like they've changed the link structure a bit for those pages, though it's still a bit odd that the page seems to be coming and going as the wind blows (I couldn't reach it just a minute ago either, now I can - even when it's not just loading from my browser cache).
Here's the original blog post which contains a (slightly different) link to the troublesome page (which was last updated in July this year, not in 2006 as the link suggests).
http://my.opera.com/Rijk/blog/2006/07/04/top-150-popular-firefox-extensions-and-opera
If it's still not working for you... well, blame Opera, or at least their seemingly somewhat shaky community pages.
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If you pile on enough extensions there's no doubt that Firefox will end up with more functionality than Opera (though it's obviously far behind in its basic form).
Aside from what can be done in Opera with custom buttons and toolbars and UserJS (and those gimmicky widgets I personally think was more of an embarrasment than anything else), you're limited to what the developers have chosen to add to the browser. And while that's a hell of a lot, there's obviously no competing with the plugin structure of Firefox where I believe almost anything (within reason) can be done.
While I don't have all that much experience with Firefox myself, I do question the second part of your statement, that it's supposedly easier to tweak than Opera.
I would think that a hundred plugins (many of them probably with additional more or less useful complex options than their Opera equivalents) from a hundred different open source developers would require a bit more user adjustment and patience than locating and making minor tweaks to similar features in Opera.
I could be wrong of course, and again I believe this is very much a matter of which browser you're used to working with. I would probably be utterly lost for at least a few days if I decided it was time to try out Firefox with a load of plugins, just as a Firefox user likely would in the opposite situation.
I'm not entirely sure how a first time user of both browsers would feel - though as I think I mentioned, Firefox probably still has the most newbie friendly default interface (I don't even remember what the Opera default GUI looks like though).
If your argument is that the plugin structure of Firefox makes it easier to tweak it exactly to the needs of the individual user (most of whom probably won't be needing that "50-100 plugins" number I've been throwing around for comparative purposes), then I'm still not entirely sure I agree (who would have guessed).
The vast majority of the advanced features in Opera aren't sitting right smack in the middle of the default interface, so you pick and choose what you need - and tweak it a bit if necessary (hotkeys, toolbar elements and locations etc.).
And since Opera isn't using up any more system resources than Firefox (many reports seem to indicate less if anything, though I believe they have more or less gotten those nasty memory leaks in Firefox patched up by now?) no matter how many or few features you decide to make use of on a regular basis, that's not an issue either.
Are you guys aware there is Speedial in FF too?
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