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    All Things iOS - Apps, iPhones, iPods, iPads - Discussion

    Discussion in 'Smartphones and Tablets' started by Nick, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. H.A.L. 9000

    H.A.L. 9000 Occam's Chainsaw

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    Well, with iPhones he does have somewhat of a point. Planned obsolescence is in Apple's design cycle. The OG iPhone used basically a slightly modified Samsung S5L8900, which was bumped up in clock speed for the 3G. What Apple didn't realize, or maybe they did (who knows), was that with the explosion of apps in the App Store and with all these new API's to support those apps, ARM11 cannot cope. Simply cannot. That's why the 3Gs has had such a long life... Apple fitted the 3Gs with a modified Samsung S5PC100, which comes with a Cortex A8 CPU with NEON and a full-on PowerVR 535 GPU. The 3Gs blew the 3G away in performance, by a LARGE margin. It was only with the 4 that the GPU got choked on the Retina display. (Just like with the iPad 3)

    But then they pulled the same thing they did with the 3G with the 4. They reused the same SoC, just barely bumping up the clocks. That's why the 4 is so un-godly slow with newer iOS versions. The 4 is the new 3G. I think they learned their lesson with that, though, because they've been using a new SoC with almost every subsequent iPhone release. 4S = A5. 5 = A6. 5S = A7.

    The one thing that I just can't get past is why we're not seeing 1.5-2GB of RAM, especially in the iPad's, like the 4th Gen and the Air/Retina Mini.
     
  2. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    I haven't seen a "slowdown" in my iPhone 5 to "need" more RAM. I thought iOS managed memory better than Android thus requiring less RAM. But then again I don't much on my phone like gaming.
     
  3. H.A.L. 9000

    H.A.L. 9000 Occam's Chainsaw

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    On iPhones it's not nearly as apparent, because the frame buffer is MUCH smaller than the Retina iPads. The iPad Air should have shipped with 2GB of RAM. Screenshot on the iPhone? ~2MB. iPad? 6-8MB.
     
  4. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    I'll stipulate to that. My cousin had an Android before her iPhone. Her old Android would slow down with time, just like mine and me madre's SGS3's have been doing. But her iPhone is still as zippy as the day she got it.
     
  5. H.A.L. 9000

    H.A.L. 9000 Occam's Chainsaw

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    And people forget that garbage collection wasn't mainlined into Android until 4.3. Apple has probably used something in iOS for a while now.
     
  6. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    It's not like the 3G and the 4 are the only phones ever to ship with an underpowered SoC. I mean, I really can't see the evidence that Apple is doing something differently than any other hardware vendor to cause their phones to be prematurely obsolete. The iPhone was an extremely young product at the time of the 3G, and the App Store was a watershed moment in smartphone history.

    His argument isn't strong enough for the level of dinkery he's displaying about it.
     
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  7. Ichinenjuu

    Ichinenjuu Notebook Deity

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    Planned obsolescence, to whatever extent it may occur, is pretty much a staple of modern product manufacturing...definitely not unique to any one company.
     
  8. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Even nowadays, I don't think Android does proper garbage collection. Or at least, iOS has better TRIM support than Android. One thing I've always done to remedy the slowdown in clear the Dalvik as it may have become fragmented over time. Doesn't seem to be helping much with the newer model Androids.

    :eek2: :err: :eek2:

    You lost me there.
     
  9. Ichinenjuu

    Ichinenjuu Notebook Deity

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    I mean that designing products that are not meant to last very long (whatever that may mean--whether it will actually fail or just become "outdated") is a common practice for product design and Apple is not the only company that does it, as hockeymass was saying.
     
  10. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Ah, OK. :thumbsup:
    Carry on.
     
  11. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    I found either formatting it like once every few months or putting on a custom ROM helps with Android phones, minus vanilla Android. I think the Sprint GS3 is just a pos, my girlfriend's GS3 on Sprint was fast new, but months and months in it got super laggy. Even formatting it with the stock image didn't help. Pretty pathetic for a newer phone.

    Google still fubar'd it with the Galaxy Nexus toro/toroplus as I had to put on CM10.1 on my Galaxy Nexus because the stock image lags so badly. My Nexus 4 had 4.2.2 with no issues. I'm waiting the stock image for 4.3/4.4 if the toro plus GNex ever gets it.
     
  12. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    I <del>think</del>...no I know my Sprint SGS3's issues are solely because of the poor stock ROM Sprint loaded down with crap, crap, crap, and more crap! Mine is that much more slower cause I load it down with higher DPI pngs for the status and notification icons. There is an app on Google play which runs the trim command for me, and that helped immensely with my old Epic 4G. Not so much with my SGS3, but it is noticeable. I also get the feeling morphology just adds to the lag.

    Compare that to your Sprint iPhone, even though you probably haven't done nearly the amount of customization you would on an Android. I'm guessing your iPhone beats her SGS3, network be damned. And it's all Sprint's fault!

    My mom's SGS3 is on AT&T, and the only lags she gets is when she's been using it all day, and I have to reset it to close all her apps and free up the memory. That always fixes hers.
     
  13. Mitlov

    Mitlov Shiny

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    My US Cellular Galaxy S3 was starting to get laggy, but got a LOT faster when I:

    (1) Disabled most of the bloatware in the application manager. They still take up storage, but no longer do anything. This included the Yahoo News app, the "Top HD Games" app, US Cellular's navigation app, US Cellular's mobile TV app, etc.

    (2) Switched from the TouchWiz Home launcher to Nova Launcher Prime.

    While CyanogenMod is a good nuclear option when a stock Galaxy S3 starts to get laggy, there are definitely some things you can do that make a big difference short of doing a custom ROM. Not everyone is comfortable with putting on a custom ROM and the potential effect on their warranty.
     
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    darkloki Notebook Deity

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    I would just go to a mall and find one of those cell phone stores or Kiosks and have them do it. They do the faceplate changes all the time, so I'd just ask them to change a battery for me while they were at it.
     
  15. hizzaah

    hizzaah Notebook Virtuoso

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    Anyone else having battery issues on their 4S after iOS7? Both my brother and my mom are having battery issues with their 4S's seemingly after the update. The phones won't charge or they randomly lose 20% charge or the phone shuts off at 30%.. Could be a coincidence, but I just find it a little weird that both phones went crazy around the same time.
     
  16. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    OK, time for me to ask for a case recommendation.

    I have a 5 which I plan to start using more often, and also a 5S. I think I want something less substantial and more everyday-use-compatible-without-getting-what-the-hell-is-that-comments than the Exovault I have on the 5 right now. Must represent my inner winning tiger alpha self. Or at least, look cool.

    Must be available in EU.

    I HATE flip-over cases or leather pouch types. Shell, snap or screw-on full coverage (bar screen of course) types only.
     
  17. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    [​IMG]

    :D
     
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    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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  19. killkenny1

    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    He said "available in EU". Don't think such cases are available here.
     
  20. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Nonsense!





     
  21. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    if you get me a keropi one im sold
     
  22. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    Well leaving the irrelevant ones aside, I'm looking at e.g. the Sector 5 with the backplate.

    [​IMG]

    This does strike the appropriate [Summer's Eve] tone that I generally like to project.

    However, in the 'trying less too hard' corner, we also have the Case Mate Artistry.

    [​IMG]

    Any other suggestions?
     
  23. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    I find the first dreadful and the other reminds me too much of that poor thing that passed as taste in the 80s american cars

    Its not fashionable enough to be a 50s car

    dosed, mixed and stirred, not shaken, from taptalk
     
  24. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Alrighty Mr. Tinkles...I found you the perfect choices:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    So which one's it gonna be Vogelbung? You just let cousin radji get you the hookup. :thumbsup:
     
  25. hizzaah

    hizzaah Notebook Virtuoso

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  26. Ichinenjuu

    Ichinenjuu Notebook Deity

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    I still don't really like phone cases--the only case I have for this phone is not strong enough to really protect it in a drop, but it does prevent scratches. Either way, I haven't been using it lately since I really just prefer to see that nice gold finish :p
     
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    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    These look not too bad. Just buy the one on the left or right and get over with it.
    Or just go without a case. Even if you smash iPhones at one per week rate, it's not like you can't afford to get a new one :D.
     
  29. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    How I now see Itchy's house:

    [​IMG]

    I'm still in favour of the [Summer's Eve] option.
     
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  30. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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  32. houstoned

    houstoned Yoga Pants Connoisseur.

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    i didn't know this was Instagram. go buy a friggin case u like and call it a day. why does one even need to get on a forum and ask for a bunch of stranger's opinions...?

    sometimes u come off to me as a 14-year old girl. i mean that in the nicest way possible.
     
  33. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Because it's easier to dismiss a bunch of strangers' opinions than it is to tell off a bunch of friends in person that their iPhone case ideas are cheap and tacky.

    (Am I getting warm?)
     
  34. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    Oh... I get it. You actually <del>in love with</del> like the Brikk.

    I don't really want your opinions as such. I want your recommendations as per the original request.
     
  35. houstoned

    houstoned Yoga Pants Connoisseur.

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    not sure when i said i liked or disliked the Brikk cases...

    i already gave u my recommendation: buy the one u like. i also believe i already gave u my suggestions the first time u asked us this same question.

    @radji: if u can't speak your mind to your friends then that means 1 of 2 things. 1) they're not real friends. 2) u're not a real friend. pick one.
     
  36. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    With the above reply, you didn't have to ;)

    Thanks for that helpful recommendation. I also understand Time heals all wounds, Good things come to those who wait, It was meant to be and There's no I in Team.

    [​IMG]
     
  37. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    there is always I in teams.

    anyway, there was a case in anandtech it looked fairly ridiculous, but it fits your summer dream case, and it protected things, dunno if you saw that
     
  38. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    Karbon Sleek by evutec.
     
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  39. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    I choose option 3: People, no matter they be friends, family, co-workers, etc., will always become irked when you ask for their opinion or recommendation and then dismiss it cause your persnickety.
     
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    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    If I was going for a standard looking shell case, a decent option. I'm after something a bit... different, though.
     
  41. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    Bearing in mind that I would have to import the Element case, I'll revoke this requirement.

    ...Though the rosewood (and it's actually wood, not plastic) Case-Mate I mentioned before might be the ideal 'just get it and be done for now' one.

    [​IMG]

    Still, I'd prefer something a bit more off the wall.
     
  42. houstoned

    houstoned Yoga Pants Connoisseur.

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    u try WAY, WAY too hard... :smh:

    whatever makes u sleep better at night, buddy.
     
  43. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    OK, not ordering a second case. Since I'm spending a lot of time twiddling my thumbs these days when I'm out putting things I should be doing off, I might as well do something non-productive but get something out of it. Doing my own case. Whatever it is, it will be replete with [Summer's Eve]ness.
     
  45. hizzaah

    hizzaah Notebook Virtuoso

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    You're going to custom design a case? Heck, you should just put the fabricator on retainer seeing as how you get a new device every 5 days :p
     
  46. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    I sleep at night cause after 10pm, the screams from the basement seem to subside. :D

    But seriously, people these days get sooooooo offended when you ask their opinions/recommendations and then dismiss them as no good. It's like everyone's gone soft or something...
     
  47. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    We don't have fabricators anymore - the prototyping is now handled 100% by the designers. It was just a matter of getting off my butt and actually designing something worth making. I don't do enough of it lately - I think, surely I must have better things to do. I usually do but not right now.

    Even then though I've got to grab a slot when the printer's not being occupied by actual work, or people printing Pokemons. Or in one case, until I went in the office and pasted up a picture of said items with a note saying "You guys know every object made is cataloged in the printer, right?" parts of the male and female anatomies. Pokemon is still popular though.
     
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    Case on hold.

    Now having serious second thoughts about going iOS for first/second string. After a few weeks it's becoming painfully clear the 5S/5 are truly terrible phones when used intensively, or arguably even data devices. And iOS7 - tolerable, but oy veh in terms of some really dumb security issues that I have real problems with.

    Problem is, I'm now flailing around - iOS does exactly what I want in terms of media, and obviously has every app out there (including some productivity tools that I actually find useful which aren't on other platforms). But the hardware is truly terrible - in many ways it really is pure form over function, and the OS operation is actually really clunky when you use it day in, day out.

    I've been really surprised to find that Android is actually a more everyday-reliable experience with better-performing handsets (not simply in terms of specs but also in terms of superior radios, etc) than iOS, and with nearly as wide app support. However with the exception of nerd tools, everything Android does that I need, it does in a subjectively crappy way that has me reaching for my Windows tablet, which defeats the object of having a smartphone.

    Windows Phone does everything that's everyday - organisation, emails, phone, etc in the best way by far. Simple yet effective, actually glance and go. Hardware is rock solid if behind the competition spec-wise, consistently the best signal-pullers too. But media features are a joke especially outside of the US, as is app support - to a level where it's actually bereft/rubbish in too many areas for it to be fully useful as a single smartphone.

    IF there were Bluetooth headsets which could reliably pair two devices at once, and IF Windows Phone didn't automatically hog both A2DP and HSP at the same time, I could just have an iPhone as the media phone and Windows phone as the primary phone. But I've discovered that such a headset doesn't exist, and WP8.1 doesn't seem to offer any notable enhancements in that low-level area.

    Where the [redacted] do I go?
     
  49. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    firefox? ubuntu?
     
  50. Vogelbung

    Vogelbung I R Judgemental

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    The problem is I guess, any of those are - practically speaking - another Windows Phone, but like three years ago. I am looking at Jolla, but I don't really expect it to be a viable answer.

    One thing is pretty much for sure though now, after many reboots of both iPhones and too-frequent emptying out of the stack of voicemails when both miss calls - to have the iPhones as my primary phones going forwards is not realistic. They'll have to go back to being the reserve handset that I was perfectly OK with them being.

    I haven't finalised anything yet but I think I'll have to go back to Android being the first-hander for the time being and buy the Z1 Compact as soon as it's available here - then get another Windows Phone when a good one launches, and will have to live with the still-kinda-POS that is XBox Music as well as wait for Bringcast to become awesome next year - to eventually phase out Android as well.

    And yes, I'm sure that plan will change down the line too :p

    Why can't someone just give me everything I want, eh?
     
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