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    Sager NP9773 / Clevo P770ZM-G 980m G-sync Review by HTWingNut

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, Jun 27, 2015.

  1. Cellular-Decay

    Cellular-Decay Notebook Evangelist

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    What Meaker said. Most new computers have an option to keep at least one of the USB ports active in standby for charging phones, etc. You can usually turn this off in the BIOS, but I haven't seen the BIOS on this particular model.

    As to your screen staying on in the first part of your post -- was it closed for a while before you checked? Could be Windows just being slow to respond to the lid closing, or some Windows background task woke it up (update, virus scan). Windows can be a PITA when it comes to sleeping and/or waking up.

    You also mentioned you're not a fan of Win-8 in an earlier post. Download and install Classic Shell right now. It puts the old start menu back into Windows-8 (no more crappy tile screen). It's highly configurable, and it's free (open source).
     
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  2. be77solo

    be77solo pc's and planes

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    Great review as always HT! Very interested in this or its refresh. Additionally, can't decide between the 17" or 15".

    Curious, did you end up keeping this for personal use? If so, that says a lot right there :)
     
  3. HTWingNut

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    I did end up keeping this one. I did like the 15" but I am happy with the 1080p 17" screen. Perfect for my use. Everything else is pretty much the same. 4K just isn't ready for prime time IMHO. Too many workarounds and issues with a Windows system.
     
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    I would LOVE a high refresh rate 1440p 17.3" panel, that would be a wonderful partner to a dual card system.
     
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  5. HTWingNut

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    I agree. I'd like 2560 x 1600 if I had my choice.
     
  6. Fastidious Reader

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    Finally got an order placed for one through Mythlogic. Loaded specs according to what I've heard from writers and animators (980M with 32 GB Ram and 500 GB m. 2 for plenty of space leaving the other drives open for later expansion)
     
  7. Meaker@Sager

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    Enjoy the new computer and let us know how you get on :)
     
  8. Fastidious Reader

    Fastidious Reader Notebook Evangelist

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    Anyone know if windows 8.1 capable enough to run graphical animations applications as well as it does games on this system? Should I upgrade to pro edition or would the 10 upgrade itself make that point moot?
     
  9. noteless

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    The various edition upgrades simply offer additional features that the lower tier didn't. Windows 10 will see the same tiered upgrade system. Here is a comparison between features.

    Unless your applications use some feature not available on the basic edition there should be no difference in performance between the two versions.
     
  10. Fastidious Reader

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    Okay thanks, it just looks like most of the features are business productivity. And since it is going to be my main system going forward shouldn't be a problem. Will give some info on how this build version turns out when it arrives.
     
  11. Splintah

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    So I just got my g-sync gt72. I love it, 45fps feels more like 60. 30fps still feels choppy but much better than 30fps on a standard lcd which is unplayable
     
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  12. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I suppose it's not an issue you really face with your G-Sync titan-x setup ^-^ I think it helps even above 60fps too when you have the refresh rate running faster.
     
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    Need to replace my Vaio F22 with a suitable DTR, and I've narrowed it down to a GT72 (with G-sync) or the Sager in your sig. Other than the fact that you're a Sager man, what about the Clevo platform edges out the MSI offering for you?
     
  14. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Well the big point for the sager is the desktop CPU, if you need raw CPU horsepower for any calculation heavy work then it will be faster.
     
  15. HTWingNut

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    FYI... NP9773 (assuming NP9772 as well) supports up to three external displays for up to four total displays!

    This is a quick video I did, didn't have much time, but thought I'd throw it out there for users that were wondering. Will try to hook it up another time at least with two externals and try some tri-screen gaming.

     
  16. Support.1@XOTIC PC

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    Thanks for posting that. I wish the amount of monitors was listed more often in the manufacturer specs, but rarely is. It's not often people will ask about that, but it is nice to know.
     
  17. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Questions, are the undervolting/underclock set in the bios and is the graphics overclock set in the desktop program. Wondering if I could get all the numbers on the process as I would like to ask the builder if they could make those adjustments there. Since that seems to give greater stability to the system and that would be greatly appreciated.
     
  19. noteless

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    CPU overclocking can be done in prema's mod bios or via an applications such as XTU (intel extreme tuning utility). Memory overclocking is the same way. I don't have an unlocked vBios for my p750zm-G although I believe overclocking is done the same way with or without an unlocked vBios -- with a desktop utility.

    As a note, there should be negligible difference in stability (if any) between setting overclocking is bios or a utility.
     
  20. Fastidious Reader

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    Mainly my thoughts are on throttling with this unit using m. 2 SSD and with the intent to use heavy programs both for media production and gaming any help would be appreciated. Will changes made in the desktop programs remain or will they have to be configured on every boot up?
     
  21. noteless

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    Settings changed in intel XTU stick at boot, and those settings will remain in place unless a crash occurs (then XTU will revert to the last 'stable' setting). If using a software application for GPU overclocking I do no think that those settings will be set at boot, however those programs (like msi Afterburner) can automatically set gpu settings when your OS loads.

    Your cpu will likely see some thermal throttling if you overclock and do not take sufficient measures to lower heat (repastes/deliding/heatsink mods). At stock your cpu should not throttle unless the your reseller/rebrander screws up the thermal paste installation. When undervolted the temps can be really good!
     
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    I have one of these laptops on order.
    I wanted to know if there was anyway that I could plug my wireless headsets usb internal, have it sit in one of the spare hdd spots.

    If you know of any devices that I can use internal for this could you please link me with some.

    Could be a stupid question.
     
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  23. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    You can use EVGA Precision or NVIDIA Inspector, but OC is limited to 135Mhz on the GPU with stock vBIOS...

    I guess you g-sync guys need a vBIOS Mod...?! :D
     
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    I'm drooling at the idea! :D

    Although I may not have all that much thermal headroom. I've needed to drop my clocks back to stock on my CPU because the ambient temp in my dorms is Too Damn High! :mad:
     
  25. Fastidious Reader

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    Checking in with the builders, they use the diamond paste so that should help a bit with temps. Sent them the clock and voltage specs, I'll see what they say about it.
     
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    I'm curious to know how they will respond. What reseller/rebrander are you using?
     
  27. Fastidious Reader

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    Going with Mythlogic, they are a deal slower than others since they source all the parts and the build the systems from the ground up and test it for a few days before sending it out. Already talked to then about loading in Windows 10 and still providing a copy of 8.1 for backup purposes. They seem to be with it dealing with tweaks. Though as said they are a bit slow but I can understand that since I import on a budget for some selling myself.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Nice work Prema :D
     
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  30. Fastidious Reader

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    So I see Mythlogic listed on the bios blog as a partner, does that mean they're already running with this modded bios?
     
  31. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    @HTWingNut , can you make a short video showing how to remove the keyboard? That would be a great help... I want to possibly use the slots underneath the keyboard...
     
  32. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I searched for teardown video on youtube and came up with this:

     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    That's perfect... I'm just a bit confused... is it just 1 screw to remove? Thought it was 2 for the keyboard...
     
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    I have a question for u after watching your review on you tube and reading this I did end up going with this same exact laptop. I'm just wondering what kind of performance gains temperature wise did you come up with on your cup Using afterburner I'm reading 80-75 c while playing guild wars 2 on max settings. I have it sitting on a cooling pad fan as we'll. I haven't done the under clocking like your video suggest but I'm just wondering what kind of gains I can get from under clocking.
     
  36. Meaker@Sager

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    Performance will scale with any clock changes assuming there is no throttle. So 10% underclock will lower performance 10% like a 10% oc will increase performance 10%.
     
  37. Fastidious Reader

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    Are people still experiencing errors with G sync panels being killed by windows 10?
     
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    Nope... GSync pannels are eDp, the LVDS pannels are being killed by 10...
     
  39. Meaker@Sager

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    Yes any IPS display in a new machine should be safe.
     
  40. t456

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    Actually, there's also been a bricked eDP panel (a 120 Hz). The common denominator so far is non-optimus+nvidia. Optimus means that Intel HD has primary and only control over the display (using vbios+driver), whereas with a switching or dgpu-only system nvidia can do the same.
     
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    So for a straight 980m system it would be better to hold off on anything with Windows 10 at least till a few other revisions of the OS.
     
  42. Meaker@Sager

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    I would say most people can wait a little longer if it's a primary machine and they can't afford any issues.
     
  43. Fastidious Reader

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    So is the windows 10 update safe to do yet, would much rather have that updated interface for my work system, but not if it'll nuke the panel and send me back a few weeks.
     
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    You can give it a shot to see if it works for you. Some people have no problems at all. Windows 10 also includes a nice revert feature to easily go back if you do have issues.
     
  45. Fastidious Reader

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    Okay just updated the v bios with the latest Prema mod what is the best way to adjust the clock and voltage settings on a 980m. Also same question in regards to updating the bios would the Intel utility still be best for those adjustments?
     
  46. Meaker@Sager

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    As with all overclocking, little steps forwards in clocks with little jumps in voltage when it becomes unstable and monitoring the temps as you go along.
     
  47. Prema

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    Use EVGA Precision or NVIDIA Inspector.
    BIOS is flashed in DOS with the bundled software, just follow the readme files... ;)

    ENJOY! :)
     
  48. Fastidious Reader

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    Having some programs picking up my card as 4GB instead of 8GB. Could this cause problems in running benchmarks or just graphic intense programs in general?
     
  49. HTWingNut

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    It doesn't matter what is reported, the card knows what it has and will use it accordingly.
     
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    Yes the GPU controls its own ram, plus those programs are just guessing.
     
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