*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

It comes down to if you get sorted should you have an issue.

 

Well, of course, but this one worked for like 10 minutes and I am still waiting for a resolution with the company, but so far I have maybe a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth

 

A 10 minute failure would mean a return to the shop surely rather than the manufacturer?

 

Trying to do that currently, Aquatuning Europe

Let's see how this goes actually. It is the first time ordering from them and I actually needed some longer screws to connect my cooler, but the only screws that work are not metric, but UNC 6-32, so I needed some of those Noctua cooler screws, so I thought to buy one Noctua fan.

Did send a mail to both Noctua and Aquatuning to see how this is handled.

You can imagine how one can be a tad bitter after a failure, if they fix it I'll post an update on the situation

The Noctua fan had more H2O pressure than Vardar Furious Evo 3000, so it was actually better at cooling my mini-PC, so I would want it replaced XD

With Noctua having around 5 years of warranty, if they manage to fix it without costing me more than the fan's price for shipping, I am happy. You see, being in Romania, and the shop in Germany or something, if they ask for shipping, it would be more expensive than staying with the broken fan lel

 

Aahahaha XD

Welp, at least keeping the conversation going will keep it going for the better or for worse. I am most afraid of stalling threads, since those are the doom of something XD

 

@ole!!! I haven't forgotten you man. Ended up having to work some this weekend. And ending up having to reload windows 10 since the new mobo install. For whatever reason the soundblaster stuff isn't work and I'm getting pops and crackles on my audio lol .

 

new mobo got issues? is it from eurocom?

 

Yep yep it's from Eurocom. The only issue is the sound though. And I need to reload windows anyway. I have a nvme drive begging to be installed lol

 

im waiting for my fans and spliter cable from china.. it is taking forever april here i come.

 

Which fan you going to replace


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The 2nd CPU which is currently blank with a splitter to get the fan signal from the first IIRC.

 

Second CPU.


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When intel really 8 core , will clevo release a new chassis or we will have new p870 ? Hope for a better keyboard .

 

Yes the TM series has a blank for a 2nd CPU fan.

 

TM1 too have second slot too


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Woohooo finally took the time to reload windows and install my new nvme drive. Got the sound card issue fixed. And my gpus actually boost beyond 1557mhz now woohoo!! LOL

 

So an odd driver issue or setting then, at least you can unleash the beast now

 

The absolute truth !! Only a motherboard and CPU fan later LOL

 

Here's a great review of this beast in the much preferred EVOC variety offered by our friends at HIDevolution. Nobody else makes a notebook that can touch this. Build quality, cooling and performance are outstanding. Also, featuring @Prema BIOS.

 

That was a great review. Really wish I could justify calling Donald and setting up an order right now. But my 2600K + 290X desktop has to come first. That was my original plan since I already have my throttlebook:

1) Get a Dell S2716DG monitor, and see if I can get ULMB+Gsync working simultaneously via mini DP on my GT73VR throttlebook. It works perfectly on a desktop Nvidia card, but I've seen some Shenanigans with laptops and custom resolutions. If the Green Goblin stops adding +5 (?) to the vertical total to trick ULMB to working at the same time as Gsync, even the great Prema God can't help me here.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...ell-s2716dg-with-easy-method-testers-wanted-/

2) get a modern CPU, motherboard and Video card into my Corsair 760T case. Too bad modern video cards are not attainable right now unless you pay 200% MSRP. Sad days when a laptop is actually cheaper than a desktop because of that markup.

3) Throw my throttlebook in the bin. Or sell it somewhere.

 

Sell it. There are plenty of people out there with standards that are low enough to accept it exactly as it is.

 

Not yet. @Mr. Fox I'm a very weird person. I can't sell an abortion to anyone unless I hate them.
After I get my Clevo, I'm going continue to see if there is a way to disable the Zener overcurrent protection.
You dealt with it yourself.

Do you remember when you set the setting "PS Current Threshold 1" to a value of 512?
And you put a load on your 16L13 and it shut off and rebooted?
Apparently any value higher than 299 (there is an exact value cutoff, I don't know what yet. I get...scared when stuff shuts off in front of my face...yes I told you I'm weird) causes this.
And it's caused by those Zener Diodes.

@BeastsForever.TheDragon is apparently studying microelectronics over at university. I'm hoping he actually gets hired over at MSI and can actually talk some sense into their engineers. He saw first hand a MSIbook *blow up* during an exhibition over in India. It was a GT83VR using a 7820HK processor which the rep tried to unlock the power limits on, and the VRMs just exploded, but you get it.

Besides I enjoy breaking stuff stuff that isnt my daily driver. bad habit of mine Maybe I'll go break someone's skulls in some PUBG today instead of taking my wantonness and sadistic evil tendencies out on throttlebooks.

BTW did Clevo fix their heatsink QA shenanigans on their P870 vapor chamber line? Or will HIDevolution have to take care of that for me?

 

It depends what you are after. In terms of normal use stepping to a different system of the same generation will usually cost a lot for minimal real gains.

 

@BeastsForever.TheDragon please check your fb

 

Eh, im still in school( 12th grade). But i do study them just for fun!

And as for msi, they're really complicated. Even the n-p-n transistors they use are 8pins(should've been 6pins). Their Emitter base config is also......kinda one i havent seen or studied over.

 

It'd be wise getting a prebuilt from xoticpc or cyberpowerpc since prices therr for gpus are normal.

 

not in mine, i'd say for best performance a shim solder still required. however with a delided cpu and a very good cpu chip, temps already very good. mine is a 5.2 SL 1.424v sample running at 4.9ghz, even with heatsink issue it runs very cool on auto fan profile, which is so damn quiet.

i could do a 5.0 OC and still have acceptable temp but voltage is kinda high to my liking

 

You will find with a lower phase count that notebooks do tend to need a higher voltage to get the same stability compared to desktops.

 

yep, crappier vrm on mobo, lower quality cpu heatsink, way less cooling on both vrm and cpu itself. this is why i try to go for the highest possible, too bad still not enough. next time i'll go for 5.4 or 5.3 sample minimum, 8 cores no less.

 

The VRM is fewer phases, board space is a premium so you can't just slap 12 phases on there and call it a day.

 

After doing some measuring, I have came to an idea. And want to know if anyone is willing to help test this. Yes this is possibly dangerous. BUTTTT. I think it will be neat lol
I have drawn up a delid die guard. And have a way to run the CPU without the IHS, and allowing the heatsink to directly touch the die (thermal paste or LM in between of course) I have made a few shims and have them plotted out for the CPU heat sink and have measured the pressures exerted and or needed to make this work without crushing the die or applying to much pressure to the chip (shim size and thinkness)
Also, have different types of filament options for the delid die guard (for temp,color,and strength) . But by chance does anyone happen to know around what temp the socket sits at ? So I can go ahead and figure out which filament will be needed at least doe the temp side of it .

 

That would change the seating of the fin stack too so you would have to modify the heat pipe.

 

I had put a bit of thought into that. But depending on the shim thickness, I could make that distance lost back up with the shim. Or ever so slightly help bend the heatpipes LOL.

 

So effectively a ground down IHS to just have the outer edge the socket clamps to and then a thicker shim to meet the core soldered to the heatsink?

 

No sir, this will actually remove the IHS all together. And the die guard I'm making will hold the CPU in place.

 

Anyone know where i can buy a replacement vapor chamber cooler? One that has succesfully passed QA and does its job, As im taking mine back in for its to be replaced as it obviously can't handle full load on 2 1070s at max fans, And i want a second one with wich to mod, I've a mod idea in mind wich should greatly improve performance in my own situation and usage.


I'm also looking for a way to design a PCB as i want to build a custom notebook cooler but i want to have a few other things in it, So i will have a thunderbolt connection and a 10GBIT nic inside + an internal usb 3.0 hub, And a sata controller so that my dock can have some drives in addition to the 10gbit nic and a few PROPER fans + it's own power supply

 

@woodzstack


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Thanks for the mention, but yeah I can help him, if he likes.

 

Eurocom should have them. That's where I got my replacement mobo and cpu fan from.

 

@Meaker@Sager
Here is a quick test . Ran this print just to give you an idea of what I was designing .
This is out of PLA The one I'm currently printing right now is out of ABS and will be a bit more solid with less gaps. Like I said. This one is just to give an example and allow me to test the mounting pressures and shims.
And using the bad motherboard as a test measuring platform lol.

 

So you place the CPU and have that bracket on instead? I'll be interested to see how much pressure and even contact you get.

 

Yep yep and the Heatsink touches the die. Also you can screw the die cover down using the screws and back plate that comes on it. I should have some numbers together today. I hope.lol

 

You must have a set of coconuts on you. I wouldn't have the guts to try that. I thought I was being ballsy deli-dding and using CLU. Does the plate on the back where the CPU heat-sink screws into come off? I think that's the part people would need to use the TM heat-sink on the DM or DM3. The stems are much shorter on the TM1 making that bigger heat-sink useless for the DM units.

 

Yep yep it does indeed come off. Tightening the bracket screws has the ability to move the stand offs up a little. Not alot but enough to justify me making sure this guard has the bolt holes in it.

 

imo for that to work u'll need quite a bit of mounting pressure to pull this off. also doesn't the LGA pins shift to make contact with CPU after lever is moved? if lever is removed how do you plan to have it make contact?

tbh best way is to just make a new heatsink design but that is just way too costly and probably not worth it, until the 8 cores laptop come around.

 

The lever should just be holding the CPU down. It moves my IHS if I'm not it in place as I let mine float but not the CPU. Also note the 3 mounting holes. This is to apply some pressure to the CPU and to distribute load from the heatsink pressure.
I got this idea from MSI (Delid Die Guard is what its called) they used to make these for one of thier motherboards. As its available for sale and if searched for.
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwikw8HjhffZAhXYEIEKHcJBBqsYABAFGgJ5dw&ae=1&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESEeD2Vx6JyQEqV9rx2gvoIR84&sig=AOD64_377FPIcPqxpAb735eooV0H4NCKaw&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjL4LnjhffZAhVPuVMKHcTBBbUQwg8IJg&adurl=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-117182-37290-0/2?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fi%2F112736617812%3Fchn%3Dps%26dispItem%3D1&itemid=112736617812&targetid=313776934696&device=m&adtype=pla&googleloc=9010015&poi=&campaignid=833559251&adgroupid=39417365901&rlsatarget=pla-313776934696&abcId=1123856&merchantid=113740455&gclid=CjwKCAjwnLjVBRAdEiwAKSGPI611Qjt40qJq8WIK2EoIJGDq8KrdqBFb1mWm3EHTAUR0NeSZ8F3MthoC848QAvD_BwE
The reason this won't work with ours is there is a line of electrical components on the side of the socket which are in the way of the above mentioned guard (the guard can't sit flush on our motherboard with that guard)
My guard is designed to be clear of said electrical components and be protective to the slot and CPU.
im just making it work within the specs of what we have within our laptops. I have 1.3mm thick sheet of copper arriving this week so I can test 4 different thicknesses of shims.

 

contact from shim to die will have to be pretty much on target, with perfect CLU job done to see real worthy benefits over IHS. even though IHS is thicker it distribute heat nicely. with a perfect job it might only benefit 2-3C at most because it is only 6 cores, or might not see benefit at all unless its under extreme loads. frankly speaking i dont think contact is THAT much of an issue, its more of heatsink capacity and dissipation.

of course if you have a bunch of little things they do add up to noticeable difference. direct die cooling, higher mounting pressure, 2nd cpu fan etc

 

Hi!
What is the max power consumption of a system with 8700k and GTX 1080 sli?
If I were to buy this machine carrying round 2x 330w delta power bricks is out of the question.
I saw that there is a single 780w power brick available at Eurocom and HID, however $475 is a bit steep for me for an extra single power brick.

I could get a single 600W power brick for about $230 (maybe even less). The question is, would 600W be enough or this would be cutting it close ?
If its not enough and I must spend $475 on an extra power brick, I would rather get an 1000W one instead of the 780W with the same price...

 

If I can remember tonight I'll plug my laptop in the killawats and can tell you the max I can get it to consume.