The main reason why I chose this laptop/ chassis (aside from the fact that it maxed out my budget) was that the HM77 chipset allows for RAID. That allowed me to take two SSDs and throw them in together and get twice the speed that one of them alone would allow. On most SSD brands, after 64GB or 128GB they don't get any faster, they just get bigger (because they're already faster than the SATAIII connector they are connected to). It appears to be the same with the Crucial M4... read speeds max out with the 128GB model, though writes do get a bit faster with the 256 GB model.
My storage plan is to use the two SataIII ports for my SSDs in RAID (done... and boy is it fast) and swap out the optical drive for a platter drive when I start feeling like the SSDs are running out of space. You can buy inexpensive trays that will slot in place of the optical drive and give you another hard drive bay. The optical drive spot is (likely) only SATAII, but that's still faster that any laptop platter (non-SSD) drive you can get right now. Who uses optical drives anymore anyway? I only used it for installing windows, and that was only because I'd lost my flash drive that I had the windows installer on. It goes much faster from a decent flash drive than it does from the disc.
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Just a little update... I've been casually surfing the internet on this guy for over two hours (closer to 2.5, I haven't been keeping track) and just hit 50% battery remaining. Granted, this is with a Core i3, only 4GB of 1066 RAM, and I switched over to integrated GPU at the start of my surfing session, but that's what the switch is there for, right? The battery life is quite impressive for a 17-inch model. The only other 17-inch model I've had is the zd7000 in my signature which struggled to hit an hour and a half of any kind of usage when it was new.
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The mother board issue doesn't sound good. Does this issue tally with the heat profile mentioned in the German Review of W370et? ( Test One K73-2O (Clevo W370ET) Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests). The top left part (where the fan is?) should have the highest heat.
What makes you think RAID would be causing such a problem? That's rather weird.
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Hello, long time lurker, first time commenter.
I'm pretty dedicated on getting this laptop but before I click that final button, I'd like to ask the people on this thread a couple questions if y'all don't mind . I'd also like to note that customization of hardware will be getting is: i7 3610QM and 8GM of RAM.
So, after seeing that it only has 1 fan/vent, I'm a little worried about the heat. I did read a comment on page 3 of this thread that after running a synthetic simulation to max the CPU&GPU, it was still able to stay within reasonable limits and as long as you clean out the vents every few months, it will be fine. Could someone either confirm/backup or have another few words of persuasion to confirm to me that the cooling of this laptop is perfectly fine with just 1 fan? Not to say I don't trust the original commenter but I just want to double check and make sure
My 2nd question is, I've been reading a lot of comments about how the CPU and GPU get's throttled under heavy(?) load. Since I'm not a very technical person that know the details of hardware, could someone, in layman's term, explain to me how much of an effect the throttle of the CPU and/or GPU effect 3D gaming(such as Battlefield 3)?
My last question(thank you to those who are still reading ); Compared this laptop to the NP6175 with the same hardware other than the GPU(650m w/ NP6175), which one would be better? Considering the NP6175 has 2 vents, but has 1GB of dedicated graphics memory. Big difference? Worth downgrading to have a cooler running system?
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The GTX 660m isn't too much better than the 650m, they're essentially the same chip, just higher clocks on the 660, but the 2GB of VRAM will make a significant difference in some applications. Expect a 5-15% boost (depending on the app) from the 650m to 660m.
The deal maker for me was the HM77 chipset. In my opinion they should have included the HM77 in the NP6175 (W170ER) because it has two hard drive spots. The difference here is RAID. The HM77 supports RAID and I had two SSDs laying around, so I waited for the W370ET (NP6370). With two SSDs in RAID 0 I get max read speeds around 1GB per second from my main drive. That's giga byte, not bit. My storage is no longer the bottleneck on system performance. Unfortunately, I've only got a Core i3 for a processor - it's what I could afford at the moment, I'll buy an i7 from eBay later.
If you're not planning on doing RAID then look seriously at the upcoming W350ET (I don't know what SAGER's part number will be). It's essentially the same thing, but the pictures I have seen show a slot for an mSATA SSD, which should support intel smart response technology, although you could probably enable it for a regular SSD+hard drive combo in the 17-incher. Either way, I'm a speed demon so I chose one that could do RAID with two SSDs.
The i7 3610 is a good processor, most bang-for-your-buck in my opinion. That's the one I was going to upgrade to, but I've been looking into the possibility of Intel XTU support on this unit since it has the right chipset, so I may move up to the next level, 3720, which supports XTU. I'll probably still go with the 3610, since I'd hate to spend the extra cash and find out that XTU won't work (even with BIOS mods).
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It's good to hear that the cooling on the NP6370 is good, but would it be sufficient under heavy 3D gaming? Such as maxing it on Battlefield 3 as much as I can while still achieving ~30FPS? Anyways, I'm not sure why I thought the NP6175 had 2 vents but you are right. The 6370 does indeed have a bigger intake vent.
A couple re-re questions if you don't mind me asking
What exactly is the HM77, and RAID? I plan on doing a SSD boot, and HDD storage as the first upgrade on the laptop and probably won't consider a SSD as a storage but I still want the 17.3" screen so that would unfortunately mean I won't be getting the W350ET version. But still wondering, what is the mSATA SDD slot? I tried Google searching it but none of them were in layman's term
Also, hows the construction on everything else? The keyboard, external shell of the laptop? I've been wondering about the quality of the external shelling. The plain/area that wraps around the keyboard and the mouse pad? Does it feel like cheap plastic? Any kind of texture on it(grainy, smooth, etc.)? Also, when you put pressure on that area from the edge of the laptop to the mouse pad, does it have some kind of give? Or is it pretty solid? Sorry about the detail, I just wanna know what kind of laptop I'm diving into
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It does feel like plastic, though. The texture is good, I've grown to like it. The wrist pad is somewhat smooth- smooth with a matte finish. Not very smooth, but by no means rough. The touchpad area has the same finish, though it seems smoother to me, probably because of built-up finger grease, etc. It's a decent touchpad. Nothing to write home about. I have to press fairly hard for it to give- hard enough I'm worried about messing up the motheboard underneath. The keyboard is nice in my opinion. I'm not used to the chiclet style (as they call it). I do like the click that the keys have.
You asked about Team Fortress 2 earier. I just ran it with MSI Afterburner logging in the background. With ALL settings maxed out it ran smooth as butter with roughly 60% GPU utilization and about 60C. I'll have it log during 3dmark or something else that should max it out later. The fan didn't go to its max speed, I think it does so about 70C.
The mSATA slot would be for putting in an SSD without taking up a hard drive spot. The mSATA slots (and corresponding SSDs) are usually SATA II and slower than full-size SSDs (recent ones are SATA III, up to twice as fast as SATA II). In this unit you have two hard drive slots so you can put in a full-size SSD with a storage drive (or two full-size SSDs in my case).
HM77 is the primary chip on the motherboard that determines its capabilities. I'd point you to the intel site, but it's all very technical as well regarding the differences between HM76 and HM77.
Well, I'll try anyway:
Mobile Intel® HM76 Express Chipset
Mobile Intel® HM77 Express Chipset
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Although I wasn't the user that was asking previously about Team Fortress 2, I did see the comment a couple pages in, it's still good to see the temps stay reasonably low. Speaking of games, would you be able to try higher end games such as D3, Skyrim, Battlefield 3? Or would the temporary i3 not be able to quite handle it? -
Quick update... With 3dMark Vantage, the CPU was pegged at 97-100% and the temp reached a plateau at about 60 degrees C and stayed there for the duration of the test. These Kepler GPUs are supposed to run pretty cool, and it looks like that's what we're seeing here.
I just tried overclocking it with Afterburner. The farthest it will let me push the graphics core clock is +135 from stock, so 1085 MHz. The RAM it will let me push until it breaks... I set it to 3000 MHz (+500 from the 2500 stock speed) because it was pretty stable after a try at 3100. I used throttlestop to keep my Core i3 2330m from throttling (set to max multipliers, etc...). I pushed my 3DMark 11 score up to P2701. Stock was ~P2435 if I recall correctly. GPU temp only went up to 65C during 3DMark. There's still thermal headroom. -
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Was it necessary to call him a retard? Not everyone wants to buy every game in the market, and he was just being nice to give a review.
Anyway, I've just got my test w370et in, and will be running BF 3 on it soon after I set everything up! Will let you guys know! -
By the seems of it, all the new heavy games don't offer any kind of demo which is quite unfortunate.. I would post torrent links for those games but I'm pretty sure forums like these usually have some kind of standardized rules preventing those.. If I find any kind of recent games with a demo/trail link, I'll post them up and would be awesome if you could try it out and tell us how it performs FPS wise
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i7 3610 and 8gb 1333mhz ram will post the quality once i get it up
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No harm intended. You didn't get my message. It's not that he doesn't buy games. No one can afford to buy all of the games. The retarded part is that he doesn't download them!!!
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You will only see a difference in benchmarks you will run. You will notice a small difference when compressing or encoding video. Still get the 1600MHz ones
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For gaming, no there will not be any real world noticeable difference
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- MySN.de has it with 2 HDDs but no mSATA option
- One.de has it with 1 HDD and 1 mSATA
- Another in the Netherlands has 2 HDDs and 1 mSATA
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Planning to get it after more reviews come to light because I'm still rolling a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz(Overclocked to 3.0 GHz) Leadtek Geforce FX5700 and 512MB of Ram
P.S. Magnet links are untraceable. and there are utorrent modifications that make you anonymous. -
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What about the motherboard heat issues and blue screens, are they still there, any news what is causing them etc.?
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I just don't do it due to religious reasons. It's a personal preference.
The wait for my W370et is killing me. It's already been a week of wait. Should get it next week. The pictures on the net looks like it has a solid build, I like the silver color rather traditional black. But you mention it's pure plastic... something I'll need to find out myself.
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Would love to see a video review of this laptop! This laptop seems like the perfect budget-performance laptop I could find. Kinda wished it came with a back lit keyboard though. If my budget allowed me too I would love to get a NP9150 with a 7970m, but this one is more within my reach. I plan on playing Final Fantasy 14 and watched a video of it running on an Asus G75vw with pretty much the same internals and it ran pretty good on med/high settings.
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I'm impressed with the lack of heat issues to be honest and I haven't had any bluescreens for several days. I've done several things that could have eliminated the issues, I've updated lots of drivers to the latest available, re-seated the SSD, etc. I've also been making sure to not block the primary vent when I'm running it hard. Those with a laptop cooling pad (the kind with fans/vents) I'm sure will not have heat-related issues. Even leaving it on the desk I don't think I've had problems that I could directly trace to heat, though if I knew I were going to run it hard while on a desk I'd probably prop up the back to give it some air. -
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The thing is I will be going out of the USA for five years to attend medical school and want something to use for school as well as some decent gaming. So far I'm considering the NP6370, MSI GE70, ASUS G55VW, and the NP9150 if I can scrap some extra cash together.
I understand that most of these laptops except the NP9150 have similar internals, thus the thing im most considering is build quality. I've read your other comments regarding this but do you have anything else you would like to add? I understand it's all plastic but is it sturdy?
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If you don't move the laptop very frequently (but still like to have the mobilitiy for the odd occasion) I would always go with a 17" screen. It is not only much more comfortable for gaming, but also for working on the machine.
The best build quality out of these machines would have to be the Asus G75VW (or 55 for the 15" model) hands down. All the reviews I found basically agree on that. It is also the coolest machine and the most silent one as well. However, it has very poor access for maintenance (vents and fans) and is rather expensive for the components you get.
But build quality is also a matter of how you handle the machine. I have had Asus, HP and even a very cheap Acer and I never had issues with build quality, simply because I handle all the notebooks with care, keep them clean and consider all the small things (don't pick it up on the edge with one hand, don't pull the screen open with one hand at one of the edges etc etc.). Now if you need your notebook for work on a daily basis and have to take it with you all the time, this is near impossible and the machine will experience rougher handling.
As far as the other machines go, the MSI has worse build quality than this Clevo (and is all plastic as well) here and the "bigger" Clevo with the 7970M has a number of issues with heat, the GPU heatsink not fitting properly, the vents not lining up properly with the fans and from what I understand, Enduro technology can be broken too (just check these very forums for the varius issues). I wouldn't want to have to deal with any of those (even though some seem to be fixable).
Lastly, a soldered GPU really does mean that an upgrade is impossible safe changing the entire motherboard with perhaps a new soldered GPU. However, even this is unlikely, since the GTX 660M is the now fastest soldered GPU and when the successor comes out, there probably will be a new motherboard, with slightly different layout with a different clevo barebone and it won't fit your barebone anyway. -
Thanks for that response. +Rep for you
You make some really good points. I have been following the np9150 threads and posts fairly closely and I suppose I must have missed some of those issues you mentioned about the heating problems with the 7970m. I will look more into it. Your right in that the Asus is probably the coolest and best built but, like you said is costs more than this clevo and for a couple hundred more I could go with the Np9150. But, I'm gonna look into the heat issues you mentioned.
The way I see it, I will probably disregard the MSI GE60/70 due to build quality and the fact its a fingerprint magnet. Hopefully we can get some more feedback from owners of the NP6370 soon as I would very much like to purchase a Sager. If I'm not satisfied with what I see with the np6370 I may just opt for the Asus or even better go with the np9150/70 after doing more research on heat issues.
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I have an AsusG73JH which my girlfriend uses and while the backlit keyboard is a nice gimmick (it looks cool), in my experience the real world use for it is very limited (this is certainly highly subjective, but for one thing I never sit in the complete darkness, since that's really bad for the eyes, secondly, my girlfriend and I are able to type without looking at the keys and thirdly, the screen emits enough light anyway to make out the keys if need be).
What I am saying is this: Apart from the first week where of course we both played around with the lights, I think in the entire two years I used the backlight of the keyboard maybe 3 times, when the machine was hooked up to our TV via HDMI and I had the screen off and wanted to turn up the sound via FN or something and couldn't find that - but even then, you can't see the FN+X key to turn on the backlight either soo -
Sorry for the late reply, had quite a few things running around at the same time. Anyway, I've been running BF3 today and it ran surprisingly well.
I was using it set at custom settings (all ultra except AA and anisotropic filter set to minimum. Got an average of high 20s to low 30s fps using fraps.
Temps were also pretty amazing, only reaching 70+ after 3+ hours of gaming. Max temp was 79 degrees, which pretty much surprised me since it's a single heat sink. I was in an air-con room though, but without a laptop cooler. I also repasted both the cpu and gou with ic diamond 24.
Build quality wise, I was a little apprehensive of the plastic chassis, but it felt amazingly solid and not 'plastiky' at all.
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Thanks for your reply Aftershock! Could I ask you to run the FINAL FANTASY XIV Official Benchmark. Would be greatly appreciated.
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The tempretures are great to see that they are that low after pretty much maxing out how high they can get. But that could also change after engaging Throttlestop.. I have a quick question about your repaste of IC Diamond. Did you repaste before playing BF3(just want to clearify )? Also, is that the stuff that's available as an option during the ordering phrase of Reflexnotebook.ca and Xoticpc.com? Reason I ask is because I plan to also add it on during order since I plan to do a lot of gaming/work that requires almost all of the hardware's resources. -
Let me read up on how throttlestop works and i'll try to get up a test for that too.
Regarding IC Diamond, yes that is the same stuff that resellers like xoticpc offers, and yeah I pasted it when building mine. However, do note that IC Diamond comes with a 7 and 24 version (carat iirc), and I used the IC Diamond 24 version, not sure what the resellers offer, you could probably ask them before you bought. Also, do note that the price of a tube of IC Diamond is probably about the same or lower than the price of the upgrade they offer, so if you are comfortable or willing to do this on your own, you could probably skip that and do it yourself -
Any ideas on what I should do to fix that?
Edit: to be clear, I tried it running on default, and also with the program file manually set to the 660 card
Edit 2: Ran Metro 2033 benchmarks instead.
Options: Resolution: 1920 x 1080; DirectX: DirectX 11; Quality: High; Antialiasing: AAA; Texture filtering: AF 4X; Advanced PhysX: Enabled; Tesselation: Enabled; DOF: Disabled
Run 1:
Total Frames: 1485, Total Time: 59.70794 sec
Average Framerate: 24.97
Max. Framerate: 183.69 (Frame: 1461)
Min. Framerate: 6.61 (Frame: 248)
Run 2:
Total Frames: 1484, Total Time: 59.81829 sec
Average Framerate: 24.91
Max. Framerate: 176.06 (Frame: 1451)
Min. Framerate: 9.35 (Frame: 327)
Run 3:
Total Frames: 1490, Total Time: 59.7665 sec
Average Framerate: 25.03
Max. Framerate: 183.92 (Frame: 1464)
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Thank you very much. That benchmark is pretty outdated anyway so its not a problem. They are relaunching the game with version 2.0 with a brand new graphics engine that should take more advantage of newer gpus and be more optimized overall.
EDIT: Did you try whitelisting the Benchmark.exe using this method http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lFBWXUTnKfM?
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hello, i have problem... my w370et have only 12k pts in 3dmark06, any ideas what is wrong ?
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This seems to be the only video hands on I could find of the W370ET. Vorstellung One K73-2O GTX 660M (Clevo W370ET) - YouTube
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