Official Sager NP5165 / Clevo W150HR Owner's Lounge

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Does the NP5165 have a rubber exterior?

I couldn't find it anywhere for some reason...

 

Can you tell me what video drivers you are using?

I have an NP5165 as well, 8gb ddr / 2630 quad core version

I am running :

crysis2 w 1360x768 (Very high which is 2nd best setting) with maybe 30fps if im lucky. Any high than that and it starts to chug

Rift on low settings 1920x1080 gets 40-50fps, if i even dare put it on medium settings (even at 1600x900 or less) it goes down to 17-24 fps

 

no rubber that im feeling, other than the 4 nubs that lift it up a bit.

 

If you guys would try and see how well the gt 555m overclocks that would be awesome.

 

When the 555M is properly overclocked, it has higher settings (read: benchmarks) than a stock GTX 460M

Mr. Mysterious

 

Could someone show me how to do this without messing anything up or damaging anything?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/563784-hps-dv7tqes-6770m-gddr5-vs-dell-xps-17s-gt-555m-gddr3.html

Had to go digging around for that lol

Mr. Mysterious

 

Nice to see that it has good OC-potential. Now all that remains is if the casing can provide adequate cooling, but IIRC clevo/sager usually do not have a problem in that area?

 

Slightly off-topic but relevant to this machine is has anyone been able to verify that VT-x is enabled?

 

That depends on the CPU you're using.

Mr. Mysterious

 

For the quad cores, you need at least a 2720QM I believe. Not sure about dualies.

 

So it's official...screen up is somewhat good but GPU up is bad...For those who plan on spending $200 extra to switch the screen, this is just a really bad...

You are basically spending extra $125 for 1080P screen which you will replace by spending $200 extra so the extra $125 gives you NOTHING...Not getting this lappy...was really looking forward to this but not any more.

 

IIRC, for the duals you'll need a i5-25xx series or higher, 2520/2540 but not 2410.


EDIT:

Per Intel page http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=43402&MarketSegment=MBL

VT-x enabled on all SB i5/i7 chipsets, VT-d and TXT on i7-27xx and i5-25xx series and better processors.



On another note, can anyone comment now that we have marks showing the 128bit in the 555M...any advantage of the 555M whatsoever over the 540M? Slightly trying to make myself feel better and not cancel my order for a 5160 w/ upgraded screen before it ships. Unit in production now: NP5165, i7-2630, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD.

 

To be fair, I don't think the 555m would use all of the 192-bit even if it had it. Forgive me for forgetting who it was, but someone who owns the machine posted their vantage (06?) scores a few pages back, and they were 'within margin of error' of those made my a 192-bit card in a dell. The 555m in this machine is a great deal faster than the 540m in the 5160, even with the reduced bus size; it still has 1.5x the cores.

 

vt-x is enabled regardless of the processor. I've seen claims that vt-d seems to be disabled by the bios, regardless of the processor. I could be wrong though.

 

here you go:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65168&stc=1&d=1305246490
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65169&stc=1&d=1305246490
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65170&stc=1&d=1305246490
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65171&stc=1&d=1305246490

 

nice hyperX you got there...how hard is it to install the RAM without needing to take apart the whole bottom? (I ordered mine separately)

 

As someone considering this laptop over an XPS, can anyone interpret this post?

Also, what is this vt-x/vt-d and the benefits thereof?

 

Bottom line: The Sager NP5160, which is the predecessor of the 5165, is closer to the XPS 15 in terms of specs. They have the same GPU and offer similar high-end screens.

The 5165 has a more powerful GPU (and bigger power supply to go with it) but is otherwise largely unchanged from the 5160. He does not believe the price difference is worth it.

It's for people who would be running virtual machines. These technologies are built into the CPU (and must be enabled by the system integrator via the BIOS), allowing virtual machines to run faster and more efficiently. It's one of those technologies that, if you have to ask about it, you probably don't need it.

 

Vt-x is the technology that allows for hardware virtualization (aka, running a virtual operating system within your current one).

Vt-d is a more advanced feature set that allows for directed I/O. Essentially, it allows someone that is running many VM's at once to better manage the hardware being used and to tie specific hardware directly to the VM. (think assigning a videocard or block of memory specifically)

Most modern processors support Vt-x, but only the non entry-level cards support Vt-d (others have posted the exact list, but for Sandy Bridge it's i5-25xx and up or i7-27xx and up)

 

This could be because there are no current drivers available on sagers website (although they appear to be working on it)

but here are two machines i have recently purchased (one for my sister and one for myself)

1.) Samsung 2630 i7 / 4gb ddr3 (1 dimm so no dual channel) / 500gb hd / Nvidia 540m
2.) Sager 5165 2630 i7 / 8gb ddr3 / 120 gb ssd (self installed) / Nvidia 555m

Want to know the difference in performance between the two?

NOTHING lol

Rift - same exact FPS (50+ on low settings / 17-24 on medium settings)

Crysis 2 - Same exact FPS (25-30fps on 1360x768 with the option which is right before the "extreme" option, 1600x900 / same graphics option = about 17-24 fps again)

And no for crysis 2 i didnt have a program reading my FPS but you can tell. If it was always crisp and smooth without slowing down SLIGHTLY every few seconds then i would go beyond 30FPS but its not so therefore i know its not 30+

Its just a little bit irritating to have a 5165 with a power brick double that of the samsung (not to mention $200 more) and have it perform the same is all.

 

Are you sure your games are running on the NVIDIA GPU? If you right-click on the game .exe there should be a menu called run with, and there you would select the NVIDIA GPU. Try that on your under-performing games and see if it helps.

 

Yeah i double checked that, still its the same FPS

Just trying to wrap my head around it. My friends Nvidia 280m shouldnt be destroying my laptop that much, i just cant understand it.

60fps on maxed out crysis 2 for him, makes me jealous.

 

Also if you'd get/dl fraps for more accurate readings, well then you might feel better with your purschase when you see the expected difference.

edit: Have you run 3dmark06 on the two computers to see if there was any difference there?

 

ops, double.

 

Well not too much really

I mean i play rift the most, will probably play a few other multiplayer games as they come out

when eyeballing the actual fps of rift its the same between 540 and 555 leading me to believe that software should be the issue.

I mean after all, the power brick is double the size for a reason right? lol

 

it's pretty easy to install the RAM. you just have to take off the bottom panel to access it. but the grey heatsinks make it a tight fit.

 

Since the card just came out, Nvidia doesn't have official drivers. The drivers are manufacturer dependent. We just have to wait for Sager to post optimized drivers.

 

Ah exactly the answer im looking for. Thank you very much for that information, i had a hunch that might be the issue because there was just NO WAY the 540 could be pumpin out the same FPS for no good reason.

Ive noticed that the 5165 driver link has magically appeared on the website (it wasnt there before) but without any drivers yet. So im getting pretty excited over the next few days to see when the video drivers appear on there.


Edit : Quick question, i see that you own a similar system but with the 17" screen. Are you getting similar results with low frame rates and are also expecting them to have a significant increase from this incoming driver via sager?

 

That's not necessarily correct. The 555M is supported by the latest NVIDIA drivers, but not the specific version that's in the 5165 (there are multiple variants of it). Figure on the next beta or official set from NVIDIA to add the correct device ID/support.

Edit: I fired off an e-mail to Sager support asking when they would have drivers available to download. There's a link to the system on their site, but when you open it, the pop-up window is blank.

Edit 2: I would suggest everyone else who is considering or actually owns this notebook (or the Clevo system it's based on) to e-mail Sager as well to ask about driver downloads. If their support inbox gets flooded with requests, perhaps that will motivate them posted online more quickly. The e-mail is websupport at sagernotebook dot com - be polite when communicating.

 

I haven't gotten my laptop yet. I'm heading up to UPS in a few minutes to get it (yay!) After I boot it up, I'm going to be running significant tests, including temperature. I'll let you know. Oh, and the driver on the Nvidia site will not support optimus cards. "Technically" they don't support other versions either. It isnt an official release sanctioned by Nvidia. The drivers on the Nvidia site do work with other versions of the 555m however Nvidia will take no liability in the fact the drivers aren't tailored to your notebook.

 

Yeah i noticed that too and called them up asking about it. I will also send an email since its pretty important to me to see a performance boost in a card like this.

Ill be looking forward to it. Its nice to see similar conclusions from others. Perhaps i just got too used to the ridiculous power of my desktop and i never gave it enough credit.

 

On the driver cd that came with the there is the stock forceware 266.40 and a beta 266.96 which both work fine on the 555m.

I attempted to install the latest drivers from the nvidia website (with a modified ini file) and this caused a corruption in my windows install and constant blue screens. Do not attempt to use any drivers except what is on the driver cd!

WEI score of 6.8 default, got up to a 7.0 with the MSI afterburner tool around 20% overclock. Max overclock caused system instability, so dont push to max frequencies.

edit- on temps, im idling at 54 C, and havent seen it go above 65 C! runs cool, an average of 10 C below my 2720qm.

 

Good to know. Thanks and +rep.

 

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heres my score without any overclocking or anything

same fps as i have mentioned above
beta driver installed (bumped it from 6.8 - 6.9) Sorry, i hadnt noticed that there was a beta driver in there. Didn't affect the fps but nice to see the score increase.

 

hi,
is the ac adapter for this laptop too big to carry around ?
cuz am really excited to order one , but am afraid that the ac adapter is so big that might not fit inside my 15.6" laptop bag.
it will be appreciated if someone who has this laptop post some pics of it .

is it as big as the one that come with the sager np8130?

 

oh it should fit into a bag, its almost like the size of those xbox 360 power bricks (i dont know if the new xbox 360's still have the same power brick but the original ones were big)

Although i have to say that it would not be AS long as the xbox 360 but still very similar.

 

not gonna lie, my xbox power brick is a beast. i hope it doesn't resemble that thing.

 

oh my god ,is it really that huge ?
i have an old xbox360 ,and its power brick is so big ,i dont think am going to carry something like that around.

 

I can't say for certain on the size, but it is only a 90w adapter. The np8130 is a 120w, and the np8150 is 180w. Realistically, it should be a much smaller adapter.

 

i would think a 90w adapter would be fine on the 5165, provided you aren't charging the battery. i have a kill a watt and the biggest power draw comes when the battery is charging for my 5160. i forgot if it was ~75 or ~85 watts. i did notice when benchmarking my highest average draw was ~65 watts, peaking near ~70. this laptop is freaking incredible on power. i've been running einstein@home and peak around ~50 watts occasionally but probably average ~42 watts. i can still watch a movie on intel gpu and the power draw only goes up ~5-10 watts. anyways, unless you're playing a game or utilizing the cpu heavily, if you have an extra 90w adapter lying you should be fine on that.

 

Yeah but you have to have the right connector for your DC-in, you know? Don't want to short anything out...

Mr. Mysterious

 

@Nickus9 and @JPoll215
Can you take 2 photos of your power supply please ?
Even cellphone photo, just to see its size and depth next to the computer.

 

Sure just give me a little, just woke up and dont want to wake my wife up by rustling behind the desk lol

 

The power brick+cables weigh 800 grams and the brick is 16 x 7 x 4 cm.

Frankly it's huge and I hate it. I've seen a lot of replacement slimline options but they're all 90 watts... (4.xA @ 19V). This power brick supplies 120w (6.3A). So does anyone know of a 120w slim replacement? What will using a 90w do to performance? Would I still be able to get maximum performance out of the machine?

One more question, anyone know of a good HDD caddy housing if I want to swap out the dvd with another HD?

 

Here you go. That caddy will allow you to swap out the original optical drive bezel so you don't mess up the aesthetics of the machine.

I have an extra one for sale. Complete in the original box. A couple people have PM'ed me about it but haven't responded. If you want it and can supply the cash right away, it's yours.

 

I'm using this one:
Amazon.com: 12.7mm Universal SATA TO SATA 2ND Hard Drive Caddy for HP 2230s 8730w NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 NX5000: Electronics
perfect fit, easy CD bezel swap, and only $17.50 as opposed to Sager's $50 caddy.

 

I'd love to take you up on your offer but I'm in Europe and looking for a local offering. Thanks to both of you regardless, now I know what I should be looking for!

 

Hey Guys,
I just ordered the Np5165 off of xoticpc a few nights ago and was hoping some of you might be able to answer a few questions of mine. I'm pretty competent but not entirely tech savy so bear with me.

Firstly-I'm a student, so I get that great discount on windows 7. What I discovered shortly after purchasing it however, is that it is only an upgrade, not a fresh install. I opted to order my system without windows pre-installed to save a few bucks. Here's what I'm thinking I'll do. I ordered a legal copy of XP for 15 bucks off ebay and I downloaded the .exe of w7 from microsoft. I install xp off the disks, then install 7 after transferring the exe over from a hard drive.

The problem occurs in that I have a 500gb HD in my optical drive, so installing XP might be a bit tough...heh. I have an external DVD/CD drive that hooks in with a USB, but will the computer recognize it without any drivers or windows installed?

Secondly- When the heck is Sager going to release optimized drivers? Have they responded to anyone on that as of yet?

Thirdly- So I'm rocking the 2630, 555m, 8gb ddr3, and a 120gb SSD2 w/ 500g 7200 in the optical bay. How well is this baby going to be able to run games like Crysis 2? I read above, around 30 fps, but has anyone been able to clock it more accurately/have a prediction for when the new drivers are out?

Thanks so much!
-Mack