Official Sager NP5165 / Clevo W150HR Owner's Lounge

5165 uses a bigger power adapter, so it probably uses more power. but the TDP is the same for both cards, so i agree, heat issues shouldn't be worse

 

Let's keep an eye on the bigger picture here. Yes, the more powerful GPU is a factor in the increased cost of this machine. It is by no means the only reason it's more expensive. The larger power adapter is going to be more costly. Another reason I've mentioned earlier in this thread - increased commodity prices. Stuff is more expensive to manufacture and transport. The US dollar also doesn't buy as much as it did, even when the 5160 came out. There's probably some early adopter tax, too. You have to think that there will be some additional demand for this machine that there might not have been with the 5160.

Bottom line - there are many factors at play here, which are creating the price increase for this system.

 

Aw... Well, it's true that a 128-bit bus is not the end of the world, but since it already uses slow DDR3 memory, it might be the bottleneck in quite a few scenarios...
I guess I'll wait and see benchmarks on that card before I purchase mine.

And yeah, it might not be the only reason for the price change, but it's still the only thing you gain from paying that amount.
Either way, by the time I see the benchmarks the price will have gone down a bit I guess .

 

Optimus itself is a software solution. Look more into that instead of targeting certain laptops specifically.

 

Oh and this screenshot shows 9.4 GPixels/s and 16 ROPs while the Nvidia site says it should have 14.2GPixels/s (so 24 ROPs) ... That's weird :/.
It seems that both the ROPs and the memory bus have been crippled by 33%.
Okay, we still have more shaders than a gt 540m, which is the most important thing I guess... but still, that's a pretty crippled gt 555m.
I just hope the benchmarks will prove me wrong, else I'll just buy a np5160 .

edit: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/search.php?page=1&Vendor=&GPUName=0DCD&ProcessSize=0&DieSize=&BusInterface=&NumShadersVertex=&NumShadersPixel=&NumShadersUnified=&DirectXSupport=&MemType=&MemSize=&MemBusWidth=&ClockGPU=&ClockMem=&Version=&button=Clear
... Well... Results on techpowerup says it should have 24 ROPs, too...

 

When will the first 5165's start dropping in? I'm pretty sure that none will have the "standard" version(s) (as specced on nvidias website) but I'd glad if I'm wrong.

Edit: Those are all either dell or msi.

 

Yeah I know that, I was saying that the gt 555m *should* have 24 ROPs, unlike the one in the screenshot from a np5165.
That screenshot is from an actual retailer, and he says the crippled 16 ROPs/128-bit bus is the one that will be in the np5165.
(see here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/569933-nvidia-gt-555m-clevo-w150hr_-model-3.html and the page after that)
So yeah, let's just hope that this won't affect the performance too much...
We'll have to wait until people get their laptops and post benchmarks and stuff...
I don't think there's much hope that the sager has the full gt 555m, but I'd be glad if I was wrong, too.

 

The 5165 looks like a sweet machine but I'm on the fence about the power brick. I know that sounds nuts but when I do move the machine I want to be able to slip it and the supply in the bag and go.

I suspect the 5160 would suffice just as much as the 5165 for game playing.
If anyone is really concerned about high details in gaming, bus widths etc, neither of the laptops will fit the bill. Should be forking over the cabbage for the top of the line Sagers.
I have to say it is fun to investigate the specs and try to get the best bang for the buck.

The 5160 should do me well. Now I have to convince myself to part with the $$.

Just my $0.02.

-Karnaugh

 

I'm not sure if GPU-z is taking an actual read of the ID information from the chipset or its being derived. It would not make sense for nVidia to make a different part but one never knows.

 

125+ USD price jump.

555 + FHD screen + bigger power adapter does not justify 125+ usd to me WHEN compared to DELL laptops...XPS 17 would cost about ~1200 USD (quoted from dell staff) with 2720QM + 3GB 555m + FHD screen + 6300 + BR + JBL sound + etc...why is sager getting more expensive and companies like Dell getting cheaper?

But again, I understand what saturnotaku is saying so no point in arguing. I just won't buy this and I don't care if other buys this or not. If others like it, they will buy if not, they won't buy.

 

i have looked into optimus in more detail then you can even comprehend. im well aware optimus depends on WINDOWS software, ofcourse you being strictly an average windows user you have no idea the implications of what you are saying. If optimus has no linux support, there SHOULD be a BIOS OPTION to disable the DISCRETE GRAPHICS CARD (has nothing to do with optimus!).

If you haven't figured it out yet, that means that when i'll be on linux, the graphics card wont be on wasting power for no reason, since the platform does not support it yet.

thank you

 

This is the way all switchable graphics solutions should be, IMO. Give the end user as much control over it as possible. While I understand that there are support implications to having to switch manually, it's always better to give people a choice.

I'm with you, but in reverse. I want there to be an option to run on the discreet GPU at all times so I don't have to rely on software to make a switch for me when I start a 3D application.

Off the topic of GPUs - is the standard hard drive bay in this notebook SATA 6 Gb/s?

 

you can always get this:
Newegg.com - Apex AD65 Solytech Mini Slim Universal Adapter for Notebook

it's very small and should easily power the 5165 while it's in intel graphics mode. then when you're at home you can use the regular power brick to play games.

 

That would be difficult to do since, the way optimus works, the discrete graphic chip sends the data through the integrated chip. It would be fairly easy for the manufacturers to just have a switch or bios option to completely disable the discrete card so that it draws no power when running a system that doesn't support it.

But it would be nice to have a system function to the level of control that you suggested as well.

 

That misses my point (which you later did get). I wish NVIDIA would have kept the same switchable graphics solution that is found in the Alienware M11x R1. Have a hardware switch or keyboard macro to allow us to choose how we want to use our GPUs. I like Optimus as a concept, but it's still in need of some fine tuning. I'm hopeful NVIDIA will refine its software to improve application detection without having to whitelist as well as eventually support Linux. Not that I would personally ever use Linux, but NVIDIA built a good reputation for supporting it. It's a shame to neglect that aspect since so many portable machines are adopting Optimus.

 

Yes.

About the Optimus/Linux debate, that's not Clevo nor Sager's fault and any optimus laptop will have that problem, so I think it would be more suited on a Nvidia forum rather than on a specific laptop thread, like pay928 said.

 

Linux Hybrid Graphics: Linux Nouveau intel/nvidia working with github.com/awilliam module for Asus UL30VT - Asus UL50VT - Asus UL80VT 1 0 - HP dm3 - HP SLIC-MPC - Lenovo T410 2516CTO - Lenovo T410s - Lenovo T510 - Sony Vaio VPCZ136GG - Sony Vaio VPCZ also talks about new drivers that may work. Lenovo also allows it according to http://forum.notebookreview.com/lin...4-disable-optimus-bios-linux.html#post7415959

 

If other laptop manufacturers can do it, then how is it not Clevo or Sager's fault?
We are not asking for the impossible.

It may not affect windows users much, but for people who actually know how to utilize the power of a modern laptop and install a linux distro on there, its quite sad that we have to put up with this garbag.

Also why doesn't Sager offer a laptop with 4 so-dimms + optimus??

 

Because they don't. That's it.

 

Can we get confirmation from a reseller (Mythlogic? XoticPC? Larry?) the exact details of the graphics card we'll be getting, in particular the 128-bit vs. 192-bit issue? It seems that there are so many variants of the GT 555m, it's driving me nuts.

 

I have chatted with XoticPC Sales and they don't seem to know until they get shipments of the machine which I assume would include both NP5175 and NP5165 models. I've posted in another thread that nVidia has changed their memory architecture to actually utilize memory in "Odd" banks so it could be 128 Bit + 64 bit for 1 GB of graphics memory. This is implemented in the 550ti Chipset Desktop card. Anantech posted a preview of this card and its oddity.

 

Once these are on the production we will know for sure the specs of GT 555M for this model...Soon...
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We hope to start shipping the NP5165 this week...
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Oh sweet...is that for people who ordered this past Thursday/Friday?

 

Phase 3! (only extra customization is the 95% matte screen)

 

woohoo, let me in the club! I just ordered my NP5165 a little while ago! I was told it would take a while. I just hope it arrives before I have to leave the country.

Anyway, my first Sager! Can't wait to get and see it

 

Ha I want to join the club too, it's killing me waiting to hear the first impressions of whether or not it's worth it over the 5160.

 

I'll let you guys know how the NP5165 fares, but can't promise a full-fledged review...jumped on ordering it the day it came out because I was tired of waiting since January for a replacement laptop.

 

Can someone please let me know if it has the same blue tint as the 5170/75 when they get it?

 

+1 to this.

 

Only the stock screen option has blue tint, right? Not the custom high color gamut screens.

 

I am scheduled to have my NP5165 delivered tomorrow. It has the stock screen. I will post on the status of it then. Fingers crossed that it isn't problem =\

 

Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it and some benchmarks to see what's really up with the gpu.

 

Nice...you're definitely one of the first to nab a Sager of this make. Unfortunately I still need to go through Phase 3, but hopefully it will be worth the wait!

As stated above, let us know the GPU specs (specifically, whether it's 128 or 192 bit)

 

I will definitely let you guys know!
Here are the specs of my loadout:
-15.6" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surfac
-2GB GDDR3 Nvidia GeForce GT 555M GPU
-2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-2520M Processor ( 3MB L3 Cache, 2.50GHz)
-8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 X 4GB
-500GB 7200rpm SATA 300 Hard Drive

 

Is the matte display supposed to have the same tint-problem as the glossy one (unless it's the other way around )

 

No display is "supposed" to have a tint problem.
The stock displays on the 5170/5175 do. We have no idea about this one's display.
However, since the matte one is (usually, depending on the reseller) a custom high gamut screen offered by the reseller, you can bet it won't have any tint problem.

 

Alright, though the version I was looking at had 3 options for the screen, a 1080p glossy, a 1080p matte and then the extra pricey 1080p one, so I¨m guessing the matte one I'm offered is a more generic version. Oh well i guess we'll see.

 

Any reason you didnt go with the i7 chip? Just curios, no offense.

 

I'm more worried about dead pixels than some 'tint' on my screen

 

Yeah, I agree with you. I think my last laptop had a strange yellow tint on it when the LCD was replaced but I totally forgot about it after all the hours staring at it.

A dead pixel/s will not go away no matter how long you stare at it!

 

It was about 400 dollars more =\, thats about 50% more than I had spent on the laptop with the current specs. I think that an i5 will do fine.

 

I agree, based on SB's improvements over the previous generation, a good i5 would be more than necessary for most people.

Mr. Mysterious

 

Makes sense to me as I am going from a Pentium 4 Compaq presario r3000 to this laptop.
I will probably see a big difference, LOL

 

who did you buy it from? at xoticpc, upgrading from the i5-2520M to the i7-2630QM is only $25. i think it's worth it since it comes with 2 extra cores. and 70%+ improvement in performance according to passmark.

 

I bought it direct from Sager. But I would like to know where you saw a $25 upgrade as that is so good I'd return the laptop coming in and buy it with the i at that price!

I looked at xoticpc and the upgrade is +70 for the upgrade to the 2630. The 400 dollar upgrade I was talking about was for the 2820.

Also, I am upgrading from a Dell Insipiron 6000, I think I will notice the difference.

Tracking says it is on the truck for delivery today!

 

I think your laptop would be cheaper in general if you got it from xotic...

 

All the upgrade prices were exactly the same... The only difference I noticed was that xotic had additional accessories (external floppy, cases, etc.)

EDIT: Could have saved about 30 bucks if I paid cash via xoticpc. Not a huge deal.

 

i5-2520M costs +45
i7-2630QM costs +70
so going from the i5-2520M to the i7-2630QM costs $25, because 70-45=25.
the 2820 isn't worth getting since it's so overpriced.

you still got a great laptop though, good luck with it. mine's getting delivered today too

 

Oh, I get it now! I suppose in retrospect this was a bad move but, like you said, I should be more than satisfied.