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The subwoofers on the bottom right though, almost the size of a 2.5in drive.....holy moly

The 2070s..... any thought?

 

These images are gold, thanks! +rep for you!

That subwoofer is the largest one I've ever seen in a laptop. We'll probably get some really good sound out of the internal speakers.

As for the 2070s there that looks promising. Clevo kept their MXM form factor in the X170, so I'd expect the Ampere lineup to retain this form factor. No reason to do a radical redesign of a brand new chassis.

 

We can only hope so. I'd rather get a bga book than this if I'm going to be stuck with the 2000 super series cards. A 150w 2080 super and a hk CPU will do the trick if I won't be able to upgrade it anyways. Wish we had some kind of reassurance but I know that's gonna be impossible this early on.

 

Yep. no Prema no fun. Mine has the mighty 6820HK and I am stuck with it

 

It would be in the best interest of Clevo to commit to support of the 30xx series cards but I doubt that Nvidia would really give them the assurance they'd need.

 

@jc_denton It looks like magician @Prema have you in his mind

[Megathread] XMG ULTRA 17 in 2020 (LGA1200, Z490, MXM)

 

It is great to have confirmation of the X170 having a vapor chamber design but what's with the thin and long heat pipes?

 

The power range of the vapor chamber depends on thickness, height and width. This VC will be doing lifting for both CPU & GPU, hence the 7 heat pipes leading heat away from CPU copper block.

Looking at the VC, we can see how much of the MXM it covers, and since we know the MXM standart size is 100*124mm, we can speculate on its power range being ~200-250W.
The 7 heatpipes mounted to the CPU block aren't pressed flat, and have limited surface contact, which is not ideal.

The tripod mounting for the CPU should be mentioned, in terms of its notoriously bad distribution of even pressure. And it's hilarious that it mounts directly into the ILM itself.

Should the 30x0 have more than 2 memory modules on either side, the heatsink will need to be replaced or modded.

 

Hey guys, I just thought of something. Why don't manufacturers that have desktop sockets design them for direct die cooling? I mean, I read that the less materials used to cool something, the better so getting rid of the IHS removes 2 layers so wouldn't that improve thermals quite a bit?

(The idea is that instead of it being cpu die > TIM > IHS > TIM > heatsink, it becomes cpu die > TIM > heatsink)

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Because you need to put pressure on the cpu so it makes proper contact with all the pins, too little pressure and anything can happen, maybe not booting, one RAM channel doesn't work, one PCIe lane is dead, or its the interface to the chipset so you end with no boot, or you get only partial contact on the power pins and as soon as you start a bench you get a nice fire going on your mobo.
Too much pressure and its a cracked cpu..

 

In the end it would come down to cost. Doing this would also introduce several new risks and RMAs, not to mention having to segregate same SKUs into d/die and non-d/die.
You can do the mod yourself, it's quite easy and gains are quite good, as long as you accept the risk involved.

I can vouch for that. my 9900K P0 might have actually cracked the die. However..
It can be done safely, @ole!!! demonstrated this with a modded direct die frame.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870tm-2nd-cpu-fan-port.812706/page-10#post-10993736
While it also works just fine with kapton tape and correct amount of pressure. https://imgur.com/a/gyMIBLI

 

@1610ftw here's the VC guidelines book
https://semi-therm.org/wp-content/u...-Design-Guidelines-Thermal-Live-2016.pptx.pdf

 

This would be ideal, however as was said before, there are risks with doing this with a desktop CPU. Direct die cooling is easier to achieve safely on PGA sockets where you turn one screw to lock the CPU in place and have the CPU pins come in contact with the lands on the socket, which is why that was done in older gaming laptops like my Alienware 17 R1. It required less pressure from the heatsink for proper contact since the CPU was already locked in place, as opposed to LGA sockets with springy pins present.

 

Thanks, that's the one I had been looking for. Found it a while ago and for some reason did not save it.

 

Yeah this is only going to be aftermarket, but you can get the direct die mate and do some heavy modding if you feel adventurous.

 

Items needed,

1x 56x56x3mm Vapor chamber
1x roll of 10mm kapton tape
1x tube of liquid metal
a pair of brass cojones

 

The XMG Ultra 17 does seem to be a very attractive option as it has pretty much everything I want in a gaming laptop now.

Are there any real world tests on the cooling system yet? That's the single most important thing on this bad boy.

Also, how's the heat on i9 vs i7 on gen10? The 51M really had lousy thermals with the i9 IMO.

 

Could be interesting to do for sure!

 

You'll have to wait for those. The laptop isn't out yet

 

I see. Well it does look promising thou!

 

I expect a new surge in members to be joining OC lounge, when this is released

 

Expect reviews sometime next week, apparently, Clevo pushed back the release date from mid to end of June

What I can say is, the 10900k is actually easier to cool than the 9900k, and if you delid, undervolt and limit pl1/pl2 a bit, the chassis can handle the heat without issue

 

I’ll probably settle for i7 either way, but good to know.

 

whos going to be selling this in the states? All the resellers? Gentec, Xotic, Eurocom?

 

This replaces the p775, so any reseller who sold that before should also be selling the X170SM-G

 

Pretty much I would expect as above.

 

Early review unit, the actually unit will probably get better thermals if you use better paste etc.

 

Glad to see that ram running at 3200mhz. There was an earlier post of a chart where it listed 2666 ram which was confusing.

E; yeesh those temps

 

Ram can run on 2666/3200, it’s up to the resellers or us buyers to choose what ram we want, but yeah, 3200mhz isn’t an issue

 

The cpu temps seems like what they should be, but the gpu though, 64c under both stress tests running at the same time....

 

Sad we won't see Mini LED display this year. I was looking forward to that model.

I am hoping I can review one of these.

i9 + RTX 2080S will be most interesting. If that i7 is thermal throttling...

@Prema is there a Prema Mod coming for this as well?

 

Display tech will get there eventually

 

Hello, do you know what is the thermal paste used?

 

Probably crappy OEM thermal paste. Thermals should be significantly better with something like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut or Phobya Nanogrease. LM will without a doubt give us the best temps.

We just have to wait for the official reviews that should come out soon.

 

Thanks it's what I thought
It's will be my first Clevo and I don't really know the cooling efficiency of their dtr, but I hope it will be better and easier to change than my rog G752vs

 

Clevo DTRs are absolutely amazing. I expect the X170 will be no different. The things I'm really stoked about are the supposed cooling system upgrade over the P775TM and the increase in battery capacity.

I know DTRs aren't known for battery life, but forgive me for wanting a laptop gaming wonder device that can give me desktop class performance, upgradeability, and give me all-day battery life.

That second bit is DEFINITELY not going to happen for a long time, but could be a strong possibility whenever aluminum ion batteries actually become a commercial product. For the time being, I just keep 2 spare batteries on me at all times. Yet another reason I really like clevo DTRs - their batteries are easily swappable.

 

So there a lot of chance that it's exactly what I want, a powerful gaming computer, but more mobile and nearly as modular than a desktop.
(Sorry if my english is not good)

 

What amazes me about my P775DM3-G running with a 8700k and 1080 is that I can squeeze about 45 minutes (never measured it to be precise because I have it always connected to the wall but it's more or less that) of battery life out of it with the correct settings. Amazing for a DTR (sorry for a bit off-topic)

 

Indeed. As for how long it will be upgradeable, that's anyone's guess. We're at the mercy of Clevo changing the MXM form factor, but that probably won't happen for at least a few more generations of graphics cards. I can't say that with 100% certainty, but I trust Clevo more than I trust any other company that has offered upgradeable laptops up to this point. Pretty much every other company has screwed us over on their upgradeable laptops.

Having said that, you won't find any other laptop that compares to the X170, with the exception of Clevo's previous offerings: the P870xM, the P775xM, and the P750xM. Those three chassis are amazing. The Alienware Area 51m was supposed to be in the league of these machines, but it seriously missed the mark.

I was under the impression those machines could net 2-3 hours off a single charge under a normal usage scenario. That's what I saw in the reviews. Or are you talking about gaming? If that's the case, that would make perfect sense.

 

Like I said. Only tested 2 or 3 times with battery. Rarely use only battery in it. But I believe I can squeeze more than an hour out of it.

 

Yeah 2-3 hours of general use if you are in a balanced performance state with lower screen brightness and you keep the GPU from spooling up/

 

Impressive for its specs

 

It's about what all the desktop models do to be fair, even mine.

 

That's about what I was expecting. Any true DTR I've seen nets in the 2-3 hour range. The X170 may be able to do a bit more given the increase in battery capacity.

I'm still going to keep 2 extra batteries on me at all times. That's standard procedure for me .

Given these laptops are essentially ultraportable gaming desktops with a battery, screen, keyboard, and speakers built into the chassis, the tradeoff in battery life is acceptable. All laptops last pretty much the same amount of time while gaming on them anyway, even the ones that normally sip power. You can get around 1-1.5 hours depending on the game.

Technology has come a long way. DTR laptops are amazing. There's still room for improvement, especially in the department of battery life, but I'd say these machines are amazing. I look forward to getting my hands on the X170. The wait is killing me .

 

I got about:
1 hr to 1 1/2 hours on my P870DM/P870DM3
1 hour on P570WM
2 to 2 1/2 hours on Alienware Area-51m
4 hours on Alienware M18xR2 (iGPU mode)
2 hours on Alienware M18xR2 (2x 780M SLI)
1 hour on Alienware M17xR2 (10 year old laptop with 34.5% wear)

I'd consider 3 hours to be very good on these machines.

This is all based on my testing. For reference a Macbook Air gets 7 hours and MacBook Pro 15" gets 5 hours under the same testing conditions.

I'm expecting X170 to be around 2 hours under my conditions.

If we had mux switches we'd be getting very good battery life.

 

Exactly this. The dGPU sucks power even when idle. Anyone have any idea why Clevo never implemented a MUX switch in their top of the line DTRs? I'm assuming it came down to cost.

I know I'm starting to get a bit off topic here, but just wondering. I'm not trying to hijack this thread or anything.

 

If they ever get to that point I would never buy a thin and light again. I think what we may see before that it usb-c charging. A few laptop brands have it like Asus and Razer. And while I’d never dream of DTR machines to run at full tilt doing this, I would be pleased to see it as a top off option. Just chilling on the couch and slowly charging it over usb-c while enjoying a movie and beer? Sign me up.

Something I wish was an option for these DTR was easy swap batteries and external battery chargers. I swear they used to be a thing. Having to use the laptop to charge a spare battery seems counterproductive to me.

BTW is anyone other than origin pc have this thing on preorder?