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hehe, well they aren't used to being the second runner up. So I expect them to pull out their aces for the future. For us it's pretty nice to see this competition again.

 

One of the first sellers to post exact prices in China, prices are in Chinese yuan. Specs are self explanatory, so I am not gonna translate it.

 

Why on earth not offer ram with Intel's specs for 10th gen chips?

 

They took a page from Dellaware playbook, why offer new when you have old stock.

 

No idea, lol, I am not getting it from here. Gonna get 2 32G Samsung sticks for myself.

 

I don't think the difference will be huge, i'd be more exited about zen 3.

 

Pretty much every high end Intel CPU is GPU limited atm, from the looks of GamersNexus reviews. The 30x0 should help alleviate this though.

 

Intel have done only fire fighting the last years. With Rocket on the same old 14+++ late this year they will continue that game


Alleged AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT Benchmarks Leave Intel Comet Lake-S In The Rear View
AMD and Intel are in a dogfight in the CPU space, and unlike the days of old, it's actually a competition now. That's because AMD has done a spectacular job building up its Zen architecture, culminating (so far) in Zen 2. Meanwhile, Intel continues to squeeze out every ounce of performance it can from its 14-nanometer...

 

I have been looking at this laptop, Apart from RGB i am quite digging it, But please please say its an Socketed CPU with MXM GPU and not Socketed CPU with BGA Filth!

Also is it known that the 3x NVME M.2's have at least one in SATA Combo or am i going to have to budget in a NVME drive on top of what i have already.

 

Socketed CPU with MXM GPU. One of the M.2 with Sata support.

 

Thanks for reply, I knew about the 1x Sata, however i have 2 x Sandisk X400's that i would be hoping to carry over. Not a deal breaker as i am saving up currently to get X170SM-G so its just a budget adjustment.

As for LGA and MXM, Sweet!

 

Bays
2 x M.2 2280 Card with SATA 3 / PCIe Gen3x4 interface
1 x M.2 2280 Card with PCIe Gen3x4 interface
1 x M.2 2280 Card with SATA Interface
RAID support (0/1/5)

 

Nice its a combo set then, thank you for the reply! I guess 2.5" Spinning Rust/SSD's are now dead going forward.

I take it the i5's are HT'd or are they non HT's? Very confusing since Intel changed things around.

Edit: i5 -10600K is a HT part just answered my own question.

 

You could always drop the 2.5" drivers into an usb enclosure, so they don't go to waste.

 

2.5" Drivers are Rusty drives and needed to die anyways. I was more bothered about my M.2's as I already have NVME's and SATA M.2's which i was hoping to move across

 

What are the chances we see a 15 inch version of this? (X150?)

 

Why

 

It’s already similar in size to my P750 due to the slim bezel design. Clevo doesn’t have an Intel-based DTR this gen in 15”, just the NH5xAx AMD Ryzen based model.

 

True, but having all the single threaded performance multithreaded combined will really put intel in their place.

 

More Fun/Mess from Intel...

PSA: There are Two Steppings of Non-K 10th Gen Core i5 in Circulation, Only One Comes with STIM Techpowerup.com | Today, 17:29

There are apparently two steppings of the 10th generation Intel Core i5 desktop processor in circulation, and the two have major physical differences, even if their specifications are identical per SKU. These are Q0 and G1. The Q0 stepping of the 10th gen Core i5 is based on the 10-core variant of "Comet Lake-S" silicon, the 200-odd mm² die, which comes with Intel's die-thinning innovation, and more importantly, soldered thermal interface material (STIM). For these chips, four cores on the 10-core die are disabled by Intel to carve out the 6-core/12-thread Core i5 SKU. The G1 stepping, on the other hand, is based on the 6-core variant of "Comet Lake-S," which is similar in design to the 6-core "Coffee Lake" die. The G1-stepping chips lack STIM, and use a thermal paste.

What's more, Q0 and G1 steppings have different SPEC codes. For the Core i5-10400F, the Q0 stepping variant's SPEC code is "SRH79" and the G1 stepping variant's code is "SRH3D." The underside of the processor's package looks different between the two steppings (pictured below). You won't be able to tell the underside of the package through the little window in your processor's retail package, but the SPEC code is printed on the IHS. There's no geographic marker as to which stepping is found in what particular market. Both steppings appear to be distributed uniformly, wherever available. Since Intel is using this stepping-level differentiation only among non-K SKUs, we don't expect the two to have any different performance, but possibly different thermals.


While AMD tune their current processor line for more performance...

Update #2: AMD Ryzen 3900XT, 3800XT, and 3600XT (+Clock speeds +benchmarks) By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 05/27/2020 12:59 PM

It is still a rumor and should be treated as that, but AMD might be introducing XT versions of some of their processors in the Ryzen 3000 product family. There's been some chatter about a refresh in the line for a while now, in the June timeframe for an announcement...

 

Because as much as I love this design it's pretty huge. I don't know if it will even fit in my backpack built for 17inch laptops. I know portability isn't a huge selling point for these things but at the very least I'd like to get it into a backpack.

 

It should fit in an Everki Titan. Very nice bag.

 

Clevo need offer more than a single LGA laptop with MXM graphics. In the golden days we had 2x17 inches + the smaller P75xxx.

 

The bag to end all bags (computer wise)

 

Exactly, couldn't be without mine. Will hold up to an Alienware 18 / MSI GT8x which is MUCH bigger in all dimensions than the X170.

 

No it isn't huge, it is a very compact design, check the dimensions I have/had a bunch of 17" Windows laptops and they are all deeper and wider than the X170 although one or two of them may not have been as thick.

 

I agree if the other model will be something like an X270 - no need for producing a second model if it is even smaller

 

Clevo need LGA books in all sizes to destroy sales of Jokebooks from all brands. Let it rain LGA books in all shape and colors as long it contain Cpu and MXM socket, LOOL

 

I was talking about relative to the other laptops I'm currently looking at lol.

These kind of laptops will never destroy the sales of their lighter counterparts. Truth is laptops like this are for a very specific kind of consumer that doesn't mind the size or weight. For many people an x170 just isn't practical.

 

Agreed. 15" lga/pga with single MXM is a wonderful choice, of course if it does not miss the subwoofer and still has 2x sata and 2x m2/nvme.

Also, why not 13.3" with lga/pga and MXMa for instance? This would be really interesting.

Have both P750DM2 and P750DM, added subwoofer in both and the sound is way much better.

 

That's the spirit brother
I guess you are right, the hopefully higher sales number might make the new MXM design worthwhile for Clevo. A 15.6" screen with a modular design in what would formerly have been more like a 14" form factor could be interesting.

 

Just make sure you got the right backpack (any backpack built for 17" laptops before the recent slim and small craze should fit) and you will notice that the X170 isn't all that big. Put it next to an MSI GT83 and it will even look tiny

His point is that there is a need to also have smaller models to appeal to customers that you mention who will appreciate that their laptop is modular, upgradable and still not a behemoth of epic proportions (not that these exist any more).

There is no rule that these units have to be that much bigger compared to soldered solutions and in fact MSI used to have BGA and LGA CPU's in almost the same laptop chassis for a while and the LGA versions weren't that much bigger or thicker and in the case of the GT75 / WT75 the LGA version was even less heavy and bulky because they omitted the mechanical keyboard.

 

I guess Everki renamed it to the Business 120?

https://www.everki.com/us_en/business-120-travel-friendly-laptop-backpack-up-to-18-4-inch.html

 

Most people will not even know they are an option, because the marketing done by mainstream brands is far greater. Some of those smaller machines are not really practical for what they were designed for anyways. 55dB and 100F palm rests and the CPU / GPU is still throttling? No thanks.

 

Indeed, that is kind of lame, I really liked to tell people to get the TITAN - much more impressive than the lame Business 120 name. I guess as long as it sells more of them I am happy that they continue to produce it at all with 18.4" laptops currently being a thing of the past.

 

That is stupid. Their "Beacon" only has a laptop pocket fitting up to 17x12x2 inch. The Titan can do 20x13x2 inch. That extra inch of width is an absolute requirement for most hinge-forward 17 inch laptops. Why did they do this?

 

Doesn't make sense as they still try to claim that the Beacon is suited for 18.4" laptops - not true as the few 18.4" units that were sold recently all were more than 12.5" deep. That being said maybe there is a little wiggle room but surely the whole concept must be considered flawed if they expect an 18.4" laptop to fit into that pocket.

 

If you click to specs, it does say 20.5x13x2....

 

Over saturation of a limited market is never a sensible strategy.

 

You mean Clevo have changed goals and will go with only BGA-BOOKs?

Could be X170 will be the last machine we will see with LGA + MXM and with this Clevo will loose their only advantage over rest of the ODMs. The rest of their machines isn’t any better than what you will find from the rest.

 

Goals have no changed, it was never to flood the market and try and bring LGA as the defacto mobile standard, that's just silly.

 

I never said bring LGA as the defacto mobile. I talked more about leaving LGA/MXM combo for good. The lonely x170 17 inch option vs old times with more than one option may show what will come from Clevo. Maybe this will come once the X170 chassis has paid of or even before this pan out. Another option is continue with socketed processors and walk into MSI territory with LGA and BGA graphics. The AMD Ryzen book with soldered graphics could also pinpoint to that direction. See... Everything below 17,3 size whatever it comes with Intel or AMD processors will be with BGA graphics. For 15,6 inch notebooks....

 

If that's what happens there will be little or no reason left for anyone to want to buy a Clevo. Literally none. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives in the turdbook dung heap. They would be throwing away their only remaining marketing advantage. Build quality is not superior. There is nothing compelling about any brand (not just picking on Clevo here) and the only advantage Clevo has had is LGA and MXM. Take that away and what's left is a generic piece of garbage to get lost in the polluted sea of garbage sporting more mainstream branding and name recognition. It would come down to the possibility of buying a Clevo based on nothing except the potential of being the cheapest option available or because you loath the other brand(s). That's not a good niche for Clevo.

Having a socketed CPU and a BGA GPU is utterly pointless. The companies that build garbage like that know exactly what they are doing. They are actively taking steps to prevent customers from upgrading their graphics in hopes of selling them another BGA trashbook. Screw 'em. If BGA is all that remains, the best strategy is to buy nothing or purchase the cheapest option available, even if it means settling for less performance. Paying extra for a disposable piece of trash makes no sense. Having a socketed CPU won't make it not trash, but either one sucks. When push comes to shove, having the GPU being BGA is actually more diabolical. That is the part that would be more likely to be upgraded and definitely the component more likely to die before a person is ready to purchase a replacement.

 

With everything BGA... Forget positive publicity like this... They will be hided in the sea of Junk with more known brand names as AW, Razer, MSI, Asus, Dell, Aorus etc.
Clevo to release monster 17-inch X170 gaming laptops powered by Intel's Comet Lake-S 10-core desktop-grade CPUs

 

Exactly. With that Clevo becomes nearly pointless and their only hope of remaining relevant in a market saturated with garbage then becomes the need to be the cheapest. Only dumb-dumbs pay extra for branding.

 

I really hope that Clevo remains the light that shines bright in the darkness amidst the market full of craptops. Otherwise, we'll have to resort to building slabtops/suitcase PCs/briefcase PCs just to get desktop class performance in a portable form factor, all because weaklings too many people can't even lift 10 pounds. It's utterly ridiculous, and is the main driving force of the stupid thin and light movement. I mean come on, a 10 pound laptop is ultraportable and not unwieldly by any stretch of the imagination. Beef up some maybe if you think a 10 pound laptop is heavy? Also, this is coming from me, a person who is pretty skinny.

Creating a briefcase PC or any similar portable gaming rig seems like a real pain in the butt, not to mention airport security would probably hate me. I'd rather not have to resort to that.

I know I'm in the minority here, being a lover of thick, bulky laptops built like a tank, but I thought the whole reason for having many brands around was to provide different solutions that cater to different types of people, not forcing everyone to buy the same crap.

 

Elitists are always in the minority. It is one of our most redeeming qualities and our superiority is what separates us from the peasants that have ruined things for everyone.

 

Welcome to new times....

You won't find 10 pound laptops anymore. 10 pound laptops is cracked down to sub 9. And the Apple direction will continue when Intel come out with 10nm chips and the power consumption shrink downwards equal for AMD's 7 nm chips. No need for massive cooling anymore when the notebook engineers is done working with 14nm++++ power hogs. The chassis size/weight/cooling will follow the lower power consumption. Downwards. Then...

 

A more legitimate reason for social distancing than COVID-19. Stupidity is contagious and deadly.

 

The difference is that stupidity can still spread far and wide over the airwaves and Web, while COVID-19 cannot.