Coming from a first user of AMD based laptop some 13yrs ago... AMD was the first to bring low power consuming CPUs(Athlon/Turion) to consumers of mass produced mobile systems.
I personally is of course impressed and excited by AMD's latest product score to trounce the blue bully whom had been juicing monies from consumers around the world.
Does efficient and performance in computing needs to be very expensive to own?
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DaMafiaGamer Switching laptops forever!
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Lol “ We took the chiller from Bob’s fish aquarium“
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Blame Clevo for using a "4th gen" chipset instead of a 5th gen one..
That and using PCIe 2.0 on one of the m.2 slots...
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B550 was not available during development, notebooks take longer to develop than desktop motherboards.
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The 340w Unified heatsink will glow blinking red if you add in load from the 200W 2080 Super card simultaneously with Intel's 10 Core Flagship
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That's one crispy chip brother! We all knew cramming two additional cores into the archaic 14nm+++ would be a sight to behold.
As information came in, we saw what monstrosity Intel had created.
190W at stock all core boost in R20
...going above required a -20c chiller to hit 5.4Ghz in the much lighter R15
220W TDP, power delivery running 90c, 93c stock all core boost, with a lapped die plus thicker IHS and on a 240mm AIO, and that is on a very light AIDA64 stress test.
Prime95 will melt the core and VRMs.
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Yikes! 7nm can't come soon enough! Perhaps i'll wait this one out! I'd go AMD but their GPU is capped at a 2070 and soldered...
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Aida64 FPU stress test (uses avx instructions) is more than good enough for notebooks - even desktops. 233W load with the desktop won't be the final results if you run the same chips at same clock speed in the new burning Gaming Flagship from Dell or coming Clevo X170
We should be thankful we won't get this mess... That awkward moment when the Core i7-10875H outperforms the more expensive Core i9-10980HKLast edited: May 11, 2020DaMafiaGamer, jc_denton, Fire Tiger and 2 others like this. -
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Yeah the system is getting more important than the chip, which in a way is good because it means each chassis is getting what it can.
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This all depends on how accurate his CPU Package Power is.
The orignal chinese post says he's pulling 200 amps (if you run it through a translation). 200 amps on a 10 core= 20 amps per core=160 amps on a 9900k. A 240mm AIO is not going to be able to cool a 160 amp 9900k very well either.jc_denton, electrosoft and raz8020 like this. -
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What to run when you want your laptop to instantly reset, reach 100C, or your desktop to BSOD, faster than Prime95 small FFT FMA3 can do it.raz8020 likes this. -
Nice, needed a heater for the next winter
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To be fair to it, gaming won't push it that high in terms of power usage and temperatures. So I expect to see 4.8Ghz and ~85c while gaming.
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Yeah we are getting into the extremes of furmark like punishment there which if you want to use it as a scientific aide that's fair enough but for most users a good test is a heavy game on both CPU and GPU.
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Yeah they are a good idea how a punishing gaming session will be.
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Intel "Alder Lake" LGA1700 to Feature DDR5; "Rocket Lake" Thermal Specs Leaked techpowerup.com | Today
PTT leaked some juicy details of the upcoming Intel "Rocket Lake" and "Alder Lake" processor generations. "Rocket Lake" will power Intel's 11th generation Core processor series in the LGA1200 package, and are rumored to be a "back port" of Intel's advanced "Willow Cove" CPU cores to a 14 nm-class silicon fabrication node, with core-counts ranging up to 8. The idea for Intel is to sell high IPC, high clock-speed desktop processors for gaming.
According to the PTT report, there will be three kinds of SKUs for "Rocket Lake" based on TDP: 8-core parts with 95 W TDP rating; and 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core parts in 80 W TDP and 65 W TDP variants. For the 95 W (PL1) parts, the power-levels PL2, and PL4 are reportedly set at 173 W and 251 W, respectively, and a 56-second Tau (a timing variable that dictates how long a processor can stick around at an elevated power-state before retreating to PL1, which is interchangeable with the TDP value on the box). The 80 W TDP parts feature 146 W PL2, 191 W PL3, and 251 W PL4, but a lower Tau value of 28 seconds. For the 65 W parts, the PL2 is 128 W, PL3 is 177 W, and PL4 251 W, and the Tau value 28 seconds.
The report also points to the high likelihood of Intel's upcoming LGA1700 socket, on which "Alder Lake" debuts, to feature DDR5 memory interface. According to @Chiakokhua (The Retired Engineer), interpreting the PTT report, "Alder Lake-S" can reportedly handle DDR5 at 4800 GT/s (reference), with one 1DPC (one DIMM per channel, interchangeable with one single-rank DIMM per channel). With 2DPC (two DIMMs per channel or one dual-rank DIMM per channel), the memory controllers can only handle data rates of up to 4000 GT/s reference. Overclocking will be possible in both cases. At least 6 PCB layers will become a practical necessity for motherboard designers to have typical 2DPC-capable setups (four DIMM slots).Sources: PTT Online, Chiakokhua (Twitter), MeibuW (Twitter)
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Intel Alder Lake-S CPUs To Feature DDR5 Memory Support on LGA 1700 Motherboards, Rocket Lake-S Desktop CPU TDPs Detailed
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And coming Rocket lake won't change where Intel is for the moment. In its own league...
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In terms of multithread there is nothing Intel can do no.
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It would be nice if SFF really could adopt mxm and lower prices and increase availability. It's a bit chicken and egg.
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is UHD w/1000-nits true? Also, does anyone know if 2080S MXM will be 150W or 200W?
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Edit: Just checked the bestware site and they only show a normal IPS UHD as an option for now, not sure if the LED display will be available at launch or only a bit later:
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Still no service manual on Clevo's e-channel ... or any other info.
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You have to swap and test the panel, so there is time and then it's covered by warranty and then there needs to be a profit for the company.
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In the meantime I just bought a semi-budget, gaming desktop for my son who's been working from home due to the virus. I went onto userbenchmarks to refresh my memory about the current state of graphics cards, and long story short it seems the RTX 2080 Desktop is only 33% faster than the GTX 1080 mobile which I have on my laptop. It seems to me a whole load of money and effort for +33% ? Seeing as how many games struggle with 4K, is the RTX 2080 the answer or should we wait for Autumn to see the new Nvidia / AMD cards?
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Embargo for 10th gen lifts today, it's going to be a wild ride.
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5.2ghz CB R20, 1.199v load, 6810 pts
*Edit* WHEA L0 error rather fast, or system service exception or Kernel security trap failure. Needs about 1.235v load voltage to pass fully @ 5.2 ghz.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-10900k-tested-and-compared-with-ryzen-9-3900x-3950x
- i9 10900K power consumption and temperature are high again, 360 integrated water cooling is the minimum heat dissipation standard
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The Origin PC EON17-X crams Intel's 10-core desktop CPU into a laptop Pcworld.com | Today
The Origin PC EON17-X laptop comes loaded with Intel's newest desktop processors and Nvidia's best graphics gear.
Intel's new CPUs are here but AMD's 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X is cheaper than ever Pcworld.com | Today
The Ryzen 9 3900X is $410, its cheapest price yet at Amazon.Last edited: May 20, 2020bennyg, DaMafiaGamer, jc_denton and 2 others like this.
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