*** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

Thank You, I will look at Amazon

 

My reseller send me (after big problems with 4x16GB Samsung 3200Mhz) 2x32GB Patriot 3200Mhz PS001572 (CL22). Works fine!

 

I went with 2 -16GB Oloy 3200MHZ CL18 from Amazon

 

Everything seems to be working ok. HID is slow but they do have attention to detail which I like. If everything holds together then I will buy from them again

 

Anyone ever find a Roller (wheeled) Backpack that fits this brick? I've only found big backpacks that fit (no roller) or rollers that are too small. I've tried 3 "extra large wheeled backpacks" already and all 3 are too small.

 

Are you sure

 

Do you have a link

 

I just got a BSOD wtf HID are you serious ?

 

I’m at a loss right now just got it back and boom
Any suggestions ?
I’m going to run occt for hour using avx power stress test
I was playing rainbow six siege getting like 200 fps then I got the classic buzzing noise then boom

 

What ec firmware are you on

 

Bios version 1.07.04HID01
KBC/EC Firmware 1.07.02

 

Ask HID if they have Bios version 1.07.6 or 1.07.07 and also EC 1.07.03.

They should have it as I just upgraded to PCS's version of 1.07.07 and 1.07.03

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So u think it’s a bios stability issue ? I think if it was a power supply issue it would normally just restart. I am going to do that first thing

 

I should also add I was running with no undervolt but was running at a locked 4.2 so technically underclocked

 

1.07.07 and 1.07.03 is very stable

 

I just received my laptop from HIDEvolution and they shipped it to me with Bios version 1.07.04HID01

 

Its a known issue. OC on in bios => unstable system. OC off => system stable.

This problem exists up to bios version 1.07.06.

My system is stable since i have installed 1.07.07.

 

Hearing you say that is like a warm blanket lol
I’m not sure this has anything to do with HID based on what I’m hearing from you guys. I need to run with OC on in bios because of temperatures. Oddly enough I decided to run my cpu at 4.2 so whatever the bios decided to run that voltage it was not stable. Before I shipped it back I was running at 4.5 with a -60 core offset and it seemed stable. I had to be to do with the auto voltage when changing clock speeds. I ran for 1 hour with occt on the power stress test on auto instructions and went to bed and it didn’t bsod. The bios seems to be the weakest link in these clevo barebones and what’s the saying “ your only as strong as your weakest link “

 

I’m not surprised hid is behind the rest of the pack they are slow as molasses

 

@sydneyblue
Maybe HID reset your bios and now there is something the bios don't like.

You can try to turn off OC in the bios and when bios ask for load optimal defaults, you click "no". Then look into control center or intel xtu, if OC is still available. I did this one time and it was stable with 1.07.05. and it works.

 

I just emailed asking about new bios and firmware
I suspected something might of changed but I’m not sure in the bios so I loaded default and put on overclocking.

Also they are telling me im using the latest bios from clevo

 

Do you think turning overclock off and running in the highest setting using xt utlity under volting would be better ?

 

They will tell you that there isn't a new version. I have gone with the XMG BIOS 1.07.06 but will probably be moving to 1.07.07 (from yasarbas) soon. v1.07.06 is the only way that I can get 4 32gb sticks to work (I don't care about OC)

 

I am kinda aprehensive updating if they are saying i cant use it but are all our boards the same from clevo? so in theory it should work no ?

 

XMG has confirmed, there is no difference in hardware between Clevo X170km-g and XMG Ultra 17. Bios is 100% compatible.

 

Well, sh*t.

Is there a successor to MXM in the works? Or is the X170KM really the swan song?


I was waiting for the next gen clevo DTR but these are bad news...

 

Hopefully not

 

Things have been diverging away from standards for the GPU shapes there is less push behind it than there was before too.

 

Interested to see what Dell's going to do with their flagships in ways of modularity, or lack there-of.

 

I think dell have drifted away from that with area 52m being discontinued

 

When was it discontinued

 

I’m not sure but I did hear this

 

What I’m hearing about future clevo products is concerning

 

I think mobile cpus will be about as equal

 

Mobile Cpu's will get less P-cores. 33% less cores running at lower clock speed isn't exactly what you want for maximum performance. But you'll get same amount power efficient E-cores as the LGA chips if you meant equal.

 

How many

 

6+8

 

e-cores are perfect for mobile systems. Powerful and very efficient. I saw some tests about p and e-cores with alder lake 12900k and thats very impressive.

I'm looking forward to the alder lake mobile cpus.

But anyway: my X170KM-G is very new and i dont buy a new system for the next two or three years. I had my old Dell Precision M6600 for 8 years.

 

3.6 times less performance vs the P-cores. Not so sure I would say the baby cores are so impressive. Maybe in a phone but not in a DTR or jokebook.

 

Yeah I agree

 

Cinebench R20 with Alder Lake i9-12900K

All cores (p & e)
Multi: 10940
Single: 746

Only e-cores (8 cores)
Multi: 3203
Single: 424

Compared to my i9-11900K with 5575 points with 130watt and a lot temperature, thats very good results for the e-cores.

The e-cores need less power (80w) and generate less heat (55°C with 4,1Ghz)

As is said, for mobile systems, where we need efficiency, the e-cores are perfect.

e-cores have around 1/4 of the surface of a p-core but around 1/3 of the power. Thats not to bad and for multithreading absolut great. Maybe not perfect for benchmarks, but benchmarks not a daily workload.

 

For the right machine e-cores make sense. The trouble is when someone here says "laptop" it means 10 things to 10 different people. I'd gladly take an Alder Lake architecture/CPU for my 14" work laptop that I actually use to be productive. I want the efficiency, battery life, and multi-tasking speed. On my gaming laptop I see no real drive/reason to upgrade yet, per usual.

 

E-cores make sense - every time.

You can replace four e-cores with one p-core but these four e-cores are faster than one p-core.

Here is a die-shot of a 12900K



You'll lose 8 e-cores for 2 p-cores (if you want only p-cores). That makes no sense in my opinion.

Edit:
Small calculation

Cinebench R20 with all cores 10940 and only e-cores 3202. So only p-cores should be ~7737.

7737 is (with 8 cores) ~967 per core. And with 10 cores its 9670 (if you replace the e-cores with p-cores). Thats less than with e-cores.

If you replace 2 p-cores with 8 cores, you'll raise the performance way more. With 6 p-cores and 16 e-cores it should be around 12206 (5802 for 6 p-cores and 6404 for 16 cores).

 

It’s interesting to see where future notebooks go with alder lake. Like someone said up too I’m not upgrade for at least 2 or 3 years with my system being new. The gains with alder lake are very noticeable so Intel looks good right now. I’m just curious is there going to be no mxm cards for next gen gpu’s to work with our clevo ?

 

There is supposedly a DGFF RTX 3080 available to custom order for their flagship Precision 7560 and 7760 Mobile Workstations. The CPU is limited to 75W and GPU 115W but there is XMP support and a 4k 120hz panel option.

 

A full power 3070 will be on about par with that.

 

that’s for 45W PL1 (12900HK); Intel is working on a 8+8 Model for Mobile codename “Muscle” (12900KB / B stands for BGA), a 65W Base CPU that’s identical to 12900K but using lower clocks speeds.

 

I think it depends on workload, if your statement were true, they would simply use 40c /40t no SMT E-Cores only. 8+8 seems a sweet spot in this generation for high performance single-cores with SMT and multi-thread perf/watt, next gen they are going for 8+16...

 

Anyone got any suggestions for LED and FAN control for linux (Debian based), after managing to get Pop_OS installed and now dual booted with Windows (Seperate Drives via Systemd) i am looking for some apps to be able to control everything.

Due to microsoft being a PIA ignoring settings i am slowly going to moved to linux for all my needs.

As a side note to others the only thing not working with Pop OS 21.10 is Thunderbolt 4 which slows boot if enabled and DMAR errors out and also SDCard reader (What ever you do whilst in linux don't plug in an SDCard else it simply kills it by making it 30mb which you can't then recover from).

Everything else such as Wifi Bluetooth and LAN works fine as does sound!