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Nope "set it and forget it".

 

nice thats my favorite infomercial

 

We are looking to release the next version next week now, just so we can get a little more testing and adjustments completed first.

We would be really grateful if the members who have tested 1.03.02TR could let us know which version EC they were previously using - for comparison.

For example, 1.03.02 is different to 1.02.02TR. If you prefer, please pm directly to avoid clogging up the thread.

Thanks!

 

I'm not very PC savvy. How is this compared to a ps4? I'm guessing its like a ps3 1/2

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Probably more like a PS4 and a half. It cripples the PS3, the PS3 uses DirectX 9. PC has been using DirectX 11 for quite a while now.. id choose this laptop over a PS4 any day of the week, despite the cost. The screen is beautiful and the GTX 765m offers excellent performance for a 13" laptop... but it really is the screen that does it for me, its so damn good!

 

it's about 10% better than a ps4 performance wise, for gaming.
since games are usually a bit more optimised for consoles, I'd say it's equivalent.

 

Really? Damn I thought ps4 was the best you could get for now. I should get more games for my laptop then. I was gonna get battlefield 4 for ps4 but I might get it for the w230st then. I agree the screen is awesome I love watching movies on it on my downtime at work

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Im sure the PS4 is good but its good for £350.. PC's graphics and FPS are better but it obviously comes at a price.. I mean you could easily spend more than the entire PS4's price tag just on a graphics card.

 

you're right about PC graphic cards being better than console's, but keep in mind that price != value
graphic cards (especially high end ones) sell with a margin, whereas consoles used to sell at a loss.

 

Oh and lets not forget that the Xbone and PS4 will be around for another 7-10 years, far longer than any laptop (within reason). This is how ive justified buying a W230ST and a PS4 : /

 

Got my ps4 in my trunk on its way to its new home. Along with battlefield 4

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Consoles have limited use in that they can perform few functions and rather poorly at them except gaming. With a laptop or a computer in general you can do many things and have access to many software and is upgradable. Consoles are mainly for games. You can browse the net on a console sure, but that compared to a PC I know which one I'd choose.

So imo computers are more multipurpose and can be better value depending on what you do

 

Thanks for that. I always thought consoles were the way to go for my daily stuff, no wonder I never got my work right !

 

Has anyone had problems installing the updated Intel Rapid Start drivers on 8.1? I'm getting "This computer does not meet the minimum requirements for installing the software". Should I try to do a manual update? I'm not sure I *need* the update -- I feel like startup / resume is a tiny bit slower than before the 8.1 update, but I'm not sure.

 

The PS4 is (compared to the old consoles) a real monster. However given the fact, that it's (just) a X86 APU in a small box, it is easily outperformed by even last years high end gaming pcs (pretty obvious, since it uses last years GCN architecture). Let me give you naked numbers. (They don't matter too much in everyday gaming, but they are a good measure how potent a GPU might be)

The GPU of the PS4 has 1,84 TeraFLOP/s. That means it is theoretically capable of perfoming 1,84 trillion operations per seconds.
The 765M already operates at 1,2 TeraFLOP/s, but don't forget it doesn't consume as much energy as the PS4. BF 4 runs pretty smooth on the W230ST. PS4 might run it better, but with the PC version you can play it on any PC. I guess it's a matter of what you are used to and what you prefer.
The GPU in my desktop has 3,2 TeraFLOP/s. That almost doubles the PS4. And Graphics cards are comparatively cheap now. My card goes away for about 300,- Euro (maybe less, since AMD has released equally fast cards for about 250,-) So if you already have a PC, you can double the PS4 theoretical graphic performance for a better price.

Also nvidias CEO spoke true words when he said, the new consoles cannot beat high end PC's performancewise, because all they are are small PC's with mainstream hardware optimized to set their price and energy consumption designation.

[EDIT] As I said, those naked numbers do not scale 1:1 from TFlops/s to fps in games. As you can see here in the chart below. The 7970 GHz has almost 1,000 GFlops/s more than the 770GTX, but practically they are pretty much on par performance wise. Maybe that also puts the PS4 and the 765M on the same level. (Which would only matter if they used the same OS though)

I see what you are saying. At university I also always hand in my printed out stats from Warthunder, but the profs seem to not apreciate that too much.

 

Rapid Start requires an Intel SSD if I'm not wrong.
So yeah, since you're using a crucial ssd, nope. It won't install.
Do you have problems installing WiDi though?

 

A user from a German forum, who is thinking about buying the W230ST, is aksing me how much of battey life he can expect. He says, that's the only thing, where he is still unsure whether or not he should go for it. Shame on me though, I have never used the W230 on battery.

What is the absolute maximum battery life he can expect with all tweaks possible (also disabling cores in Premamod and such) ?

 

I'd say 5 hours and thereabouts, but the effort is not worth the trouble imo.. He can reach 4h more easily.

 

Every time my via sound driver starts up with windows 8.1 I get a security warning and I am having no luck disabling it. Any one else run into this? Any advice?

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Looking at the W230ST as my possible next laptop. What are you guys generally getting for max battery life with doing normal web surfing and/or productivity software like Word and Excel? Most mentions in this thread talk about 4 hours being the general norm, but wanted to get a sense on if that's the case for low-load activity. To get better battery, is it worth going with a dual core processor over a quad core processor or will it not really make a difference?

I'm a super-noob when it comes to Optimus. Can you manually switch from discreet to integrated graphics and vice versa or is it all automated based on your activity? Does battery life seem to improve when the system is running on integrated graphics?

What do you all think is the best choice between the i7-4700MQ, 4800MQ, and 4900MQ, balancing the issues of processing power, battery drain, and heat? I'd be using the laptop for productivity software, browsing, some streaming, and games.

 

It depends.... normal web surfing for me is with >250 tabs loaded (thank God for Firefox's amazing memory consumption) and my Excel spreadsheets can be massive (especially those for tracking and graphing economic indicators)
4 hours++ is the max for my normal usage with a -80mV undervolt, I do suppose that since you aren't using anything outside of web surfing and productivity software that you can both underclock and then massively undervolt your processor to increase your battery life.
And yes, that's when it's on integrated graphics. With the discrete, you can hope for at most 2+ hours of battery life.

Optimus: It's automated, though you can set applications where it will switch to discreet.

IMO, there's not very much difference between the processors for the difference in price. Arguably, the pricier models will be able to undervolt better and use less power at the same clock but IMO since they're higher binned, it won't be much of a difference. I'd rather spend the $ on something like an SSD. Or more RAM, if you're planning to get 8GB (or less) of it. I'm currently on 9.8GB RAM used with a 2GB ramdisk for temp files. Firefox's using the most amount of memory at 3GB of ram with 285 tabs fully loaded while Chrome is somehow using half of that with only 21 tabs fully loaded. It's not as if switching between tabs on Firefox is slower than Chrome, it's the same =.=

 

Yeah realistically you'll get 3-4ish hours depending on a while slew of settings you use on your system like LCD brightness, power saving mode, any CPU underclocking, etc. I don't think there would be much difference in a different CPU but that is coming from no evidence, just me pondering. CPU families may have different voltage draws but it is not going to do something like increase your battery life to something like 7hr or anything. If you are overly concerned about the battery life then the W230ST may not be the winner you're looking for...but if you're cool with 3-4 hours then your expectations should be met.

 

Anyone having heat problems on stock thermal paste would probably benefit from reading this:

I just redid the pastes on my W230ST, I put Coollab Liquid Ultra on the GPU and Arctic Silver 5 on the CPU.

After gaming a bit and letting the laptop cool down to stable temperatures I did around 22 minutes of gaming both times to see what the peak temperatures were.

The game I used was the BeamNG.Drive on maxed settings, GPU usage hovered around the 80% mark, CPU usage averaged 30% over 22 minutes.

CPU temps went down from a 95c peak on core0 to a 85c peak on core0 (hottest core)
GPU temps went down from a 76c peak to 67c peak

So almost a 10 degree drop on both!

Cpu is the 4700MQ on stock voltage running 36/35/34/34 turbo multipliers, GPU was overvolted +0.375v and on +200/+50 clocks.

No cooling pad, laptop lifted off the table

 

More than 4h on my side, more 4h30 with the workload you describe (wifi is on). I don't think it would be a good idea to go dual core, for a couple of reasons :
- i7 4700 is not a lot more expensive, and you loose a great deal of compute power with the i5
- the cores are power gated, so the power consumption of the extra cores should not be that much
- you can always switch off the cores in the bios, so you could have a 'real' dual core whenever you want, if battery life is paramount.

 

And undervolting as well.
I run mine on 36/35/34/34 but with -72mV dynamic CPU voltage offset but +2.7mV iGPU dynamic voltage offset.
And +135core/+400mem on stock voltages, don't know how my GPU still handles it for hours of gaming w/o complaint

 

You can also probably make it like a ULV processor by reducing the Turbo Boost Power Max setting to like 17W (and Turbo Boost Short Power Max to like 27W)
xD

 

Why do you guys do that, does it crash more otherwise ?

 

Okay, this probably going to sound like a stupid question, but I really have ask? How and what sort of web surfing leaves you with 250 tabs? I manage about 8 at most...

 

Just casual surfing always leads me towards +50 tabs opened (clicking on multiple links "for later"), and that's without work stuff, when I work it goes over 100 easily.
You just have to be curious about too many things you can handle

 

Im interested too as the igpu is on its own clock domain so wont be changed with the cpu clock.

 

I love this laptop. But the speakers are definitely the weakest component. Has anyone modded their laptop with some different speakers? I'd be interested in doing something like this if anyone has some tips.

 

I'm looking into it Haswell. Always on maximum volume, and it's still too low just to hear correctly even in a quiet room :-/
But don't have much to share right now..

 

Ivy Bridge thinking that maybe we can order replacement speakers from a different model that might fit in this laptop. I don't mind using headphones but sometimes a man has to poop and the cables are a bad idea in the bathroom.

 

Bluetooth is your friend. We'll have a hard time finding another set that works as is, I guess a bit of "smash & fit" is in order...

 

Very good idea. I didn't consider bluetooth.

 

This is for the geniuses.

I continue to have issues when I try to get the W230ST to run at full 3GHz on battery. I reset my windows power profiles, selected high
performance, and made sure minimum CPU state was 100%. Even after that, I found that ClevoControlCenter/PowerBiosServer was auto-throttling the Chaos 1313 to 1.3GHz on battery. When I disabled those, I had some success. After rebooting with both CelvoControlCenter and PowerBiosServer disabled, my laptop would perform at 3GHz---but only until it was suspended. When waking up from sleep, the laptop is once again throttled to 1.3GHz until the next reboot. Something is still throttling it upon wakeup from suspend. What precisely do I have to do to get the laptop to perform at maximum GHz on battery consistently and without trouble? I really need this to work.

 

Just select performance mode in control center.

 

It doesn't work. Performance mode is grayed out on battery for me. When I plug in AC adapter performance mode becomes available.

Is this not the case for you?

Can you confirm that you have performance mode available to you on battery and can get maximum GHz that way? I'm on 4702MQ by the way.

 

I can't confirm if this is the case for this specific laptop, but generally laptops can't perform at 100% capacity on battery. Especially as laptops get more powerful, batteries just don't cut it.

 

Is anyobody else having problems with card reader in 8.1? It worked fine in windows 8 but now even if new drivers install correctly my laptop can't read the sd at all...

 

Actually I can't now, I could before. Can't say if this is the bios update, the control center update, or some drivers. Downgrade those (check with prema if bios downgrade is ok) one at a time & report

 

Interesting... while this may be true for the full-voltage models, I'm fairly confident the 4702MQ can handle full 3GHz on battery. I know it because as long as I reboot and don't suspend the thing (with ClevoControlCenter and PowerBiosServer disabled), it runs at 3GHz without a problem. It's just if I plug in the AC or suspend, then some daemon somewhere wakes up and re-inforces the throttle. If I could only figure out the offending daemon, I could disable it and be happy (unless it's the BIOS...)

 

I'm running everything at Mythlogic stock! The only thing I upgraded from stock is the Wifi drivers. So there's nothing to downgrade to.

 

100% capacity would be with the 765M clocked to the max and loaded. Even the 4900MQ can run at full clocks without problem otherwise.

Unless YOUR mythlogic's stock used 1.00.01 bios, and first versions of softwares & drivers, yes there is. Stock does not mean lowest possible version, it just means the version YOU got delivered.

 

Keep me posted. This is the only thing that is holding me for ordering this baby right now. Do you think in the future this will be solved?

 

Hello! I bought a W230st from XoticPC back in September. It is a great laptop, however as of October 28, after I installed the new 331.65 GeForce driver, I have had constant BSODs. Is anyone else having this issue? The BSODs are BAD POOL CALLER Bug check code: c2, Parameter 1: 7, caused by driver nvlddmkm.sys. They occur roughly once per day. Additionally, since October 28, the w230st will beep randomly in specific patterns. It will beep 2 times (one long and one fast)[very common], 3 times (uncommon), 5 times (common), and/or 6 times (uncommon). The 2 beep pattern is commonly followed by the 5 beep pattern, but not always. The BSODs and beeping will occur randomly, whether gaming or surfing the web. I have tried uninstalling/rolling back the driver with no luck. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

 

I would try a bios update, and contact xoticpc if no luck

 

I also had trouble with gtaphics drivers once.
After I had installed any of the new 33x game ready drivers by Nvidia, I sometimes had a pop up notice, that the display.driver had crashed and had to be restored. That occured almost once per session mostly in.connection with Office. So I went back to 329.xx, with the problem gone. Then I reapplied the game ready driver without forcing a clean installation. Now the problem is gone. I.still dont know what caused the problem.

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Yeah, I'd do a clean install of the Nvidia driver from Sager on their site and your drivers disk.See if that fixes the problem, then try experimenting with updates and see which one runs the most stable while delivering the performance. If you're happy with where the stock drivers get you, then might as well keep them.

 

Yeah, I'd do a clean install of the Nvidia driver from Sager on their site and your drivers disk.See if that fixes the problem, then try experimenting with updates and see which one runs the most stable while delivering the performance. If you're happy with where the stock drivers get you, then might as well keep them.