*** Official Clevo W230ST/Sager NP7330 Owner's Lounge ***

Hi all o/

To give an idea about the performance of couple 4700HQ/GTX765M in 1080p : http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-G750JW-Notebook.96316.0.html


Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 4 en utilisant Tapatalk 4 Beta

 

Ordered one from xoticpc, should be shipped by the end of the month they say.

 

LightningPL who already has a W230ST stated here that it is essentially inaudible when idle and surfing the web. That post also confirmed the Chi Mei Innolux N133HSE-EA1 display (like the Zenbooks use), so here's hoping the standard configurations from Clevo will feature that display. I'm buying from Norwegian vendor Multicom, and they only have two pre-built configurations of the W230ST. Apparently they have no plans to build it themselves.

 

If those were my options, I think I would start with one 240GB mSATA SSD and add a second one later when prices are down a bit, as bigger SSDs are generally faster than smaller ones (although the difference may not be that big going from 120 to 240; more significant from 60 to 120). 240 GB also gives you a lower price per GB (unless you found a really good offer or something).

 

Yes, good link. Except what I don't like is that they test three configurations at 1366x768 and 1080p at extreme/maximum settings. Sometimes reducing a few settings will increase FPS by 50% or more. In many cases Maximum presets will add like 4xAA or 8xAA even and at native resolution is highly unnecessary and forces a significant performance hit.

For the most part a single SSD will be more than sufficient, and in real life will probably not notice the difference between single SSD and RAID 0. And as far as 120GB vs 240/256GB it depends on the SSD. The Samsung 840 (non Pro) 120GB is really gimped with write speeds, where the 240GB is double.

I went with SLI mSATA just because "I could". I may later revert to only a single 500GB mSATA for weight and power reasons, but for now, it will be fun to tinker and tell people it has three drives and two in RAID 0.

 

Wonder what Mythologic is using as their panel on this thing. I am going to shoot them an E-mail.

 

Here's what mythlogic said about the auo panel 2 pages back:

 

Yeah I just sent them an email and they said the ones that are being shipped to them are using the AUO panel as well. I wish that there was somebody who offered it with the Chemei panel.

 

Good point about power consumption. I had not really considered that, but I'm thinking the battery life can't take that big a hit from an extra mSATA SSD. The performance difference under normal circumstances might not be huge, but let' not underestimate how cool it would feel to own a 13" laptop with a RAID0 SSD setup, plus an extra storage drive on top of that.

 

i want this laptop but it bring up lots if concerns and questions.

i need some help..
so i am thinking to buy it from xoticpc..

1) how much difference will it make if I upgrade to the copper cooling system? and add the diamond thermal paste?
will it gain weight by a lot?

2) will i be able to notice the difference between a calibrated monitor? will this improve the monitors life expectancy?

3) upgrading to the i7-4800mq.. how much will it effect on the power? will it overheat the system? would the extra copper upgrade be beneficial in this situation?

someone please help me answer these questions. this might be the first laptop...

-Sem

 

I have also ordered from Multicom. But i am worried about what kind of screen i'm getting. Have you contacted them about it? Says nothing about IPS on their site. I want that Chi Mei screen ...

 

So no one knows which panel's gonna be shipped with the xoticpc model?

 

It is the AUO panel almost for sure since they are saying it is an AHVA panel which is a trademark owned by AUO. Their panels seem pretty decent from what I have heard, and have relatively low input lag which is actually a bit more important than response time while gaming.

 

Wish we could know but Sager wont start shipping them until the 16th. Until they are in hand its just speculation until then.

 

I think we got these questions covered in chat, let me know if any other questions come up!

 

I called HIDevolution today and they already have the W230ST in stock. Anyone have any experience with them? Thanks.

 

You know other people read the forums myself included and it would be helpful if you answered the questions asked in the forum within the same forum so that we could also benefit from the collective knowledge.

 

i dont know if this has been posted yet, but thank god i found this laptop, i was going to get a macbook pro, but then i found this and its PERFECT!!!!!

do you guys think this will fair well with video/photo editing also?

Translation here:

http://pastebin.com/kF7aK3Y3


"his notebook which I recieved has Full HD screen, screen is same class as IPS - this screen is dedicated for playes - it has short reaction time, etc. Here's also special protection coating for the screen,"

 

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Am looking forward to this as it looks like one very nice laptop with good things going for it.

 

Did XoticPC mention yet why their listing doesn't include an option for the 4702MQ? LightningPL suggested that it helps improve the thermals and I suspect he's right. I'm waiting for somebody to make that offer....

 

I think someone said they were quite reputable on the other W230ST thread. Seems to have good prices too, but right now they're page doesn't show the 7260 Wifi as an option.

They're waiting for stock, should be an option in the future though. HIDevolution and Mythlogic are the only places I could find that are offering it right now, but I'm guessing more places will have it as time goes on.

 

Sager would have to offer the CPU since XoticPC and other resellers don't touch the laptop before it comes to you. On the other hand XoticPC and other resellers have offered services where they will do non-standard upgrades where the laptop ships to the reseller and they do the upgrade there. It sounds like it may be a very popular option, so likely to see it in the near future.

To be honest, they should make a version with a 4702MQ, 1600x900 screen, and GT 750m and sell it for $850 and it'd probably sell like hotcakes.

 

If I wanted to step (way!) down to a 750m, the market is flooded with choices. This one is so interesting because it breaks into the mid-high tier but remains ultra-portable...

 

True. Except if you want 13" there really isn't anything else available, especially at that price point for size, weight.

 

Has anybody tried the Windows 8.1 Preview on one of these? I hear some folks over in the MSI GE60 (2013) thread complaining that the stock NVidia drivers aren't working, and the manufacturer hasn't put out anything 8.1-compatible yet.

(It occurred to me: I haven't used Win8 before, and I could use the 8.1 Preview installer as a sort of "free demo" of Win8 -- if it works...)

 

Why is there not any mention of the P34g...it's 14", much lighter and thinner and has a 1080p panel as well (760gtx vs 765 gtx is not much of a diference). That is the definition of ultraportable, this is only mildly portable.

 

One last thing: could somebody who's gotten hands-on time talk a bit about the audio quality? I've been in more than one Clevo owner's thread that says the speakers are terrible, so I'm hoping this one bucks the trend.

(Sorry to keep asking questions, but I'm leaning increasingly towards buying one of these and I just want to cover my bases!)

 

Definitely a good contender but a few concerns/differences:

(1) Cost, likely to be more expensive, probably $1300-$1400
(2) Availability - history of Gigabyte laptops in N.A. has been scarce
(3) Embedded CPU (4700HQ, but has Iris Pro IGP)
(4) Battery life 48WHr vs 62WHr
(5) BGN only, no AC
(6) One mSATA only, both have full 2.5" SATA
(7) 765m is 200MHz faster clock speed at stock (that's 30% faster)
(8) Heat and noise and throttling. Still TBD, but in a thin chassis, usually they run hot.

 

Add me to the club, I placed my order yesterday. I was going to wait till the 900P option was available but after reading what LightningPL said I ordered one. ( in case anyone miss it, he saw not distortion in games at 900P over 1080P) This is what I ordered;

CPU = 4800
MEM = 16 gigs
Wireless = Intel 7260
HD= Seagate Hybrid 750
MSATA 1 = Crucial or Plextor 128 GB for Windows 8
MSATA 2 = Crucial or Plextor 128 GB For Manjaro Linux
2 year WArranty
I let Sager do the paste

Now I got to do some reading on the Intel 7260 in Linux and see how well it holds up. Still debating which Msata drives to get.

 

Still waiting until I know for sure what panel they are using to pre-order. I might just buy a Chemei some time and replace the AUO if that is how it ends up.

 

Do you know of any places that's selling the P34G to US right now, or if it's even released in the US? Could you elaborate on your points 4, 5, and 8? I'm guessing that you're saying that the P34G will have weaker battery life but wanted to make sure. I don't know what BGN/AC is xD I like the W230ST but am on edge about its thickness since I was looking for something thinner. However, noise level from fan and heat is important to me too. Is it that the thinner the laptop gets, the hotter and noiser it gets? Does that mean that the W230ST, with it's 1.5 inch thickness, will be on the quiter and cooler side?

 

Not released yet. Not sure if it ever will come to US. Always been a mixed bag with Gigabyte laptops for some reason. I wanted a U2442F a couple years ago but no way to get it. Then it started to be available in Canada, but by that time I had moved on and didn't want/need it anymore.

Smaller battery usually means less battery life. Although I'll admit Clevo isn't the best with optimizing the components for battery life, so it's hard to tell at the moment.

BGN and AC are the Wi-Fi specs. Granted 802.11b/g/n are a mature technology where AC spec is not fully developed, and it's fairly new. But just the fact that I can get 4-5 times the performance of N makes it a very solid selling point.

Thinner chassis usually means hotter and noisier because there's less room for the air to flow, fans and heatsinks can't be as big to dissipate the heat efficiently, and loud because they have to use thinner fans moving faster to move a lot of hot air. And the W230ST is 1.25in thick

 

Thanks for your reply. Unless something else comes out, I'm currently deciding between the W230ST and the Callisto 1413 ( https://www.mythlogic.com/configure.php?id=146). I know it's hard to tell without actual product testing but do you think that the Callisto will run hotter and louder since it is that much thinner? Is there anything about the Callisto (other than the lack of dedicated graphics card) that puts it at a disadvantage over the W230ST?

 

Per the Gigabyte rep I talked to, there is a potential to carry this in the US...context is I was talking to him about the p34g and p35k.

"Right - we don't generally carry devices that are geared toward gaming, but with the line getting blurrier there it's likely that we'll list at least the 14" model. 15 is pushing it for us, but who knows..."

 

That 14" Callisto doesn't have a dedicated GPU so gaming performance will suffer greatly. However you should still be able to play games at 720p on medium settings no problem. Otherwise it is a nice laptop. But it also costs more than the W230ST and it only saves 0.4" thickness and 0.3lbs weight. As far as heat and noise, it should be ok because it's only cooling the CPU not two components.

 

Really looking forward to seeing battery life numbers. If it can manage 5+ hours under non-gaming use, I might just make it my next notebook. I was looking at the Y410p before, but the screen is a real disappointment (though the 750m is adequate since I game on a desktop).

 

wingnut, when do you receive your w230st?
i've scoured google for a comprehensive review, and i don't think we'll get one until you're able to fiddle.

my heart is telling me that this is a fantastic notebook, but a laptop is never an insignificant investment, so i'm trying to remain patient.

 

I think this thing is going to have major throttling issues.. not because of the heat but because of the power adapter

 

What about the power adapter? I haven't been able to see any pictures of it actually for the W230ST. I wonder if it's huge or small.

 

Here, http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/705795-w230st-13-weve-been-waiting-26.html#post9261299

 

I'm feeling a bit stupid -_- Is it the big one or the small one?

 

The small one.

 

Here is a comparison of the NP8250 (180W) PSU to the NP7330 (120W) PSU....

 

Wait, why's it going to have throttling issues cuz of the adapter? Is the power output not gonna be enough or something? Doesn't make any sense...

 

Couple of questions. If I intend on using my hard drives for only OS, various video editing apps, and temporary video files which are deleted once complete and transferred to an ext drive, should I just stick with two 128gb sata drives in raid0 for faster r/w during editing? Or would having one sata and one primary ssd drive be just as good of an option? All files I have are saved on an ext once I'm done with them.
Another question I have is should I wait until the AC card option becomes available before ordering this top? I've looked at HID and Mythlogic. HID doesn't offer it and Myth does but I'm hesitant to order Myth because the site doesn't specify what brand of upgrades I'm paying for such as the RAM whereas HID does. Haven't looked at Xotic yet or any others but is waiting for the AC option really worth it? Kind of in desperate need of an upgrade here lol. Thanks for any help!

 

That could be the case. But we will find out. If so you can always get a larger PSU since it uses the common 5.5mm/2.5mm barrel connector.

You won't be waiting on a regular SSD if you buy a quality brand one, but make sure to look at read/write performance because sometimes the smaller ones, including 256GB ones will have a gimped write speed compared with the larger ones, so depends on what you need/want.

Crucial M500 480GB 400MB/sec write $360
Crucial M500 240GB 250MB/sec write $200
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB/512GB both are 450MB/sec write $235/$467

or go with RAID 0 mSATA, it offers best bang for the buck.
2x Plextor M5M 128GB 625MB/sec write 2x$100 = $200



Regarding wireless AC, it is already available as an option.

 

Dang it, I know I answered this and left a nice detailed response, but several of my posts seem to have been deleted or lost for some reason.

I'm should get my W110ER by Tuesday or Wednesday at latest. I will be sure to address the most pressing concerns right away like:

• heat/thermal with 4800MQ
• battery life
• fan noise
• RAID 0 performance
• Intel 7260 Wi-Fi performance
• LCD type/brand details
• surface temperatures

 

Wingnut you are the man!

 

Keep in mind that this was NOT from a W230ST. This was from a P375SM. We will have to confirm that RAID 0 works same, although I don't see any reason it shouldn't. Will be the first thing I do when I get my W230ST (which should be Tuesday hopefully) since I plan on installing Windows to this RAID array.

 

Awesome !
Hope to hear more from you soon.