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    *** Official Clevo P870TM Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. wyvernV2

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    Well, isnt it the same with lpc digital?
    They said after orderjng through them, sager ships the laptop to us and then they fix an appointment with us to remotely flash the premamod? Thats what i was told by @Larry@LPC-Digital
     
  2. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    They have another arrangement due to handling a different amount of systems.
    They still service all PremaMod systems directly in house.
     
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    So is it possible to take a motherboard from a Clevo P870DM-G and place a TM-G motherboard in it?
     
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    No, that's why you need kit rather than just a board.
     
  5. Georgel

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    I think I'm getting on board with a P870TM1, most probably from ClevoCenter Portugal.

    Will post impressions of the process and the unit as soon as I get it.
     
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    Remind me what are you coming from?
     
  7. rockman1216

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    Oh ok thanks
    I hope for your success
     
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  8. Georgel

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    Clevo P775DM3-G from Romania. Mine was originally bought from TEKadvice something something.

    I want to go to P870TM1 for better temps and performance increases at the CPU levels.

    I do game development and work, as well as gaming on it.

    I'm from Romania, Europe. I would had considered Sager, if you were from within EU as well (?)
     
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  9. ole!!!

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    we are cpu folks. big regret no iGPU in this for backup.
     
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    How much extra would you pay for the feature?
     
  11. Georgel

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    It is the other way around, I'd want it to be there, wouldn't pay a dime more, especially if you'd use any kind of switching tech which can add a delay, or lag.
     
  12. ole!!!

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    if its on desktop, it should be available for laptop. because laptop already cost more for form factor no reason why it should not work. but if i get desperate, maybe additional $50 imo for the hassle having to wait for another dGP to arrive and you cant use your computer during that time, totally worth it.
     
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    I think it is wrong for us to be expected to pay more for a feature that should be there (?)

    Also, if it would be done via a mux switch that would introduce delay, you're better off without it entirely, since you're less prone tro stay without a dGPU than you are to not notice a delay in every single frame you present to your computer.
     
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  14. ole!!!

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    i probably wouldnt even notice those delay, i agree on not having to pay more for something that should've been there though.
     
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    Oh, we're talking about ~7-10ms of delay here, like, you would probably see frame drops in intensive games...
     
  16. NIGHTMARE

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    See what I found on the Facebook

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    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
     
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  17. Georgel

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    What is the deal with that?

    No chance it is real, or?...
     
  18. Meaker@Sager

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    Someone likely having an it of fun with Photoshop.
     
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    So which video out would you permanently wire to the IGP? Would you be ok giving up 3d surround support for it? Would you be ok with the internal panel being off?
     
  20. ole!!!

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    internal panel being off?
     
  21. Meaker@Sager

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    Well desktop boards have outputs going to the onboard headers on the IGP and then the headers on the GPU itself so you don't have any sort of electronic switching.
     
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  22. ole!!!

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    everything to get it to work, as long as not too much stupid stuff involved. if mobile laptops can have iGP working then these laptops with iGPU should have it too. whats missing in these?
     
  23. Georgel

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    Okay, then this seems like the best solution in my eyes.

    I mean, besides the fact that you add another port, there doesn't seem to be any downside.
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

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    Board edge space is limited and how many are going to use that port Vs something that could be there instead?

    The mobile machines are on the move more often so the increased battery life is more worth investing in. That's the balance it comes down to Vs the firmware development and components to include it in a smaller set of machines (the desktop models ship less numbers than the mobile ones)
     
  25. Support.2@XOTIC PC

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    Only $9000+S&H
     
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    20180209_021027.jpg

    @Papusan we can prob fit a 8mm fan.
     
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  27. Meaker@Sager

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    Finding one with exact mounting wouldnbe a challenge. Electrical tape plus blutak would work though :)
     
  28. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Or if you have the time and won't upgrade to next LGA Monster... Pick up the 4th fan Clevo will offer with the next i7 refresh :D
     
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    Could anybody point me to where @Johnksss showed us how to get 3000mhz memory running properly and how to undervolt my 8700k. ive google searched and cant find it. TY anyone and everyone.
     
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    What 3000Mhz memory have you got?
     
  31. wtjwillis

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    Are you close to completing your fan upgrade? Im quite curious to see how it turns out, I definitely wouldn't mind adding another fan to keep this monster cool.
     
  32. ole!!!

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    yea but havent had time to test the other 2 pins to see if FN+1 or EC itself will be able to control it.

    and honestly, it looks like $h!t cause i dont have the tools to make a proper lid/cover. mounting it worked just fine, and it does run cooler but constant noise isnt worth the extra 3c off so i'd have to test the other 2 pins anyway.

    i'll post some picture later
     
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    Function over form when doing it for the first time :) No need to make it look perfect until you do a next pass.
     
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    20180216_203948.jpg

    left fan has more blades (if thats what they call it), would that mean left fan able to carry more air? both are 5v .5Amps, neither fan have a value for the airflow though. the right fan is about 1mm thicker about 5/8th and then remaining 3/8th is thinner by about 1mm than the left fan.
     
  36. Meaker@Sager

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    It's hard to judge by eye but the difference in fan blades is going to create a difference in air pressure/volume. Greater gaps usually means lower pressure but more airflow.

    Best thing to do is test :)
     
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  37. ole!!!

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    wait isnt that opposite. more air flow as in to suck in air more but more air would mean higher pressure? unless the air coming through intake isnt going out through the exhaust but else where (ie stayed inside the machine..)
     
  38. kfxsti

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    @ole!!!
    In the process of getting a 3d printer in. And I am going to try and make a shroud for this. Which or what fan are you using in that pic ?
     
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    Not exactly fans designed for notebooks, but you can learn what is what Fans for Liquid Cooling: What you need to know
     
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    You always told us how good vardar fans are. I made some research, and vardar fans are literally the best fans in the world if youi don't mind a bit of noise. They are killer fans literally :D

    6mmH2O static pressure, whjen most fans, even bigger fans, barely achieve a 1.5 - 2 mm H2o static pressure... Also ultra high CFM...
     
  41. Papusan

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    None say you have to force max speed on the fans :) And Bigger ain't always the same as better. High static pressure fans is needed to force air through radiator fins. High CFM fans can be delivered with high or low static pressure. Depends on what's your need.
     
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  42. ole!!!

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    it's this fan https://www.ebay.com/itm/372130873797. though i'd hold off on that. the JST 4pin header is too small to fit onto the mobo and I had to make some cuts/adjustments. there are other fans that just fit and size will fit too, like this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/282590636507, this one fits just fine, though rewiring always needed, this one is also thicker and has a lid and shipping is way faster because its in the US.
     
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    I'll give that a whirl.
    I'll grab a few and play with them.
     
  44. ole!!!

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    however thats for desktop and ours for laptop. what they designed based on fan intake and exhaust basically in line. laptop exhaust is 90 degree to intake, so design for laptop fan blades will be somewhat different.

    their case applies to desktop but going form what they said, blades with curve to push air towards the exhaust is the way to go. going with that, the fan without lid is probably better because it has tiny curves, of course it depends on which direction the blade spins too, clock/counterclock wise.

    other fan with the lid it is thicker however, so not only theres no curve and is optimized for airflow (not static pressure), thicker making it even more airflow. guess dont really know unless we test both.
     
  45. Meaker@Sager

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    You also have the difference in blower and directional fins which people (myself included) are generally less well read up on. Which is why some empirical testing might be a good idea.
     
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    Just to ask , the bottom cover which acts as the intake vents for the GPU and CPU fan, how much on the bottom is supposed to be slotted, and how much closed off? Was just taking a gander at mine and noticed I have alot more covered than slotted lol.
     
  47. ole!!!

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    i've took off most of the cover off the bottom plate so all 4 fans would be intake.
     
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    I have only 2 vents on gpu side. And they are over the right GPU. The CPU has only 2 vents as well.
     
  49. ole!!!

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    yea 2 for each.
     
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    Bigger does tend to be more efficient if you can fit it for fans.
     
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