*** Official Clevo P870KM1/P870KM1-G/Sager NP9876 Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 3.0 ***

There are some leaked specs out there for the Intel Optane products (as of yesterday), when you look at the table in the article where the Optane device is compared to a Samsung 960 PRO it is promising but not Earth shattering.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/14/optane_intel_spec_leak/

Of course this is one of the first Optane products that may be available so the technology will only get better from here. It does not mean that I would go and tear out my Samsung 960 PRO's for an Optane in slot 3.

Being a bit more conservative about being on that bleeding edge of technology I will wait until 2nd or 3rd generation products come along than then review where that stands, relative to whatever the state of technology will be at the time (likely there will even be an improved version following the Samsung 960 PRO) and make a decision then on what to do with slot 3.

You can bet that those first Optane devices will be pretty expensive and only come down after the demand for them in data centers tapers off and general acceptance of the drive as the only storage device in some notebooks becomes commonplace.

Another great discussion is down in the threads of this article;

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1331116

 

Hi everyone, I'm looking for any videos for the KM1, review, tear down, benchmark, game play or anything, please let me know if there is any.
Thank you in advance.

 

The KM1 is virtually identical to the DM2/3, so any videos showing a teardown of that model will apply here.

 

I'm not an expert like you guys, for the teardown maybe... but from my understanding there are some differences in specs and the motherboard ship technology and this should effect the performance and benchmarking somehow. And I'm still wondering why this model doesn't has any videos showing it's capabilities or comparing with other laptops including the DM3?!.

 

KM1 will give same Performance, but with an extra M.2 NVMe slot. No BIG deal. You get Optane support with KM1, but this tech is still too early(No gain)

 

Thanks for the explanation. But I feel that there are some features other than Optan will come to be supported with the Z270 and it will not be supported with Z170. I'll just wait and see.

 

I am reasonably sure that Z270 will not provide yooo any better benefit except what I was referring to. But for future desire to use Win 7, then will the newer Z270 be a disadvantage vs. older Z170. If you go for Windoze X... I can see no reason to buy the older DM2-3 if you then not can buy this cheaper.

 

There are maaaany options to turn on - if u mean : Power limit throttling, Current Limit throttling, Thermal throttling or motherboard VR thermal throttling than it is always on "no" for like 6 hours witcher 3 session.

 

All of them on and in the graph please.

 

as i said, they're always on "NO" - double checked it.

 

It might be worth reflashing your BIOS/EC because that is odd.

 

umm i thought i posted link to pcper and tomhardware about somewhat a review and speculation article of intel's first optane ssd. but i'd like to disagree with you there, that optane technology with a controller thats powerful enough and capable of cooling it off, it wont be earth shattering but it will be shattering sammy's 960 pro.

4k random read/write just doesn't have equal, its basically what we would call it a performance level in between PCIE SSDs and RAM disk, not to metion its been 3-4 yrs since samsung released their first PCIE SSDs and had time to mature firmware, controller, driver etc etc... this is still an early stage for optane and its already looking damn good.

the 5GHZ is tempting as F bro, 3 m.2 SSDs aren't bad at all too, wanted 4 real bad though. best part is, what if intel has enough pressure from AMD and had to release their 4th yr 14nm coffeelake 6 cores mainstream as same socket as kabylake? then you guys all good to go upgrade to 6 cores.

 

my bios is 1.05 - couldnt find on clevo.com any links with bios. On forum i found only topic about p775.

 

You would need to go to your reseller for the files.

 

As far as the differences between the DM3 and the HK1 it is a few percentage points of a bump due to the higher base and boost clock speeds of the CPU. I have yet to see anything that would be meaningful as far as a performance boost for the Z270 chipset. Any benefits from the Z270 may take longer to realize and also when the Optane hardware hits general availability. You can consider Z270 as "future proofing" your hardware for a year or so beyond what you would experience with a DM3.

A few percentage points of a bump upwards is also a difference that can be easily overwhelmed by other changes you can do to any K series chip (better thermal interface materials, better cooling or even cleaning the dirt out of the fins on the heat sink).

You would think that all HK1 owners should have roughly the same benchmarking scores but some people are more accomplished tuners or use forced air cooling. There is probably at least a 5% performance difference just in how a system tunes up and the silicon lottery of components.

I can run about 4.8 GHz reliably in heavy gaining mode before I start getting thermal throttling messages from the system (I set up audible alarms when I exceed 95c on any core or the ring). Maybe a bit more effort in tuning (undervolting) and when it is stable faster RAM can give me another 100 MHz or so of clock speed or 1% more performance.

 

I have been running 4.8 at -80 adaptive on the DM3 with long gaming sessions reaching around 80C in BF1. Haven't run any other games yet but 5.0 at +25 adaptive reaches 90C with long gaming sessions.

 

I play allot of Fallout4 with every setting dialed up to the absolute maximum, tweaks made in the .ini files to extend fade distances and effects and about 100 mods that include a large number of immersive/ 4K renderings. Sometimes I will get a beep-beep thermal alarm when FO4 is changing scenes or when there is something going on in the game with high pitched battles or a large amount of rendering.

Really those are the actual targets I am trying to meet with overclocking/performance; to keep game play at better than 60 fps, temperatures down and the system stable.

Benchmarking is just a tool for me to say "this change was better than that change".

Yesterday I thought that I had really screwed things up and spent a couple of hours chasing down what I thought were tuning issues with the SLI'ed 1080's. What I finally figured out was that SLI had gotten turned off. If I had paid closer attention to the thermal and gpu stats on both cards I would of seen it; Instead I was obsessed only with what 3DMark was telling me. I was horrified when scores went from the 15,000's down to less than 9000.
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One limitation that we all need to deal with on any P870 sub-model is there is only just so much you can do to move air through the chassis and the relatively small surface areas of the heat sink radiators and their ability to dissipate heat. When you are moving ~500 watts of power in to a notebook and it is coming out as heat at the back end it does warm up a room.

 

you will never find a BIOS update on Clevo's main drivers site. Only resellers have access to them.

 

Well a desktop using 500W is going to warm the room just as much of course

 

@Phoenix
Looks like my P870KM1 will be deliver tomorrow. Donald suggested that I should contact you to help me set up this laptop properly.
I'm pretty much a noob with modern computers. I have never own a laptop and have never overclock any of my computers. If you can give me some pointers as to what I should do to make it run optimally I would very much appreciate it.
I'm planning on using this laptop for only three things. First, to play my favorite game. Second, to access my pension and IRA (I would prefer that this laptop to not be part of my home network, not sure how to do that). And lastly, for VR when the technology matures a little bit more.

@Donald Weatherford
Thank you for everything, my apology for making you work a harder that day.
Edit: Remember when I told you about the picture my daughter drew? My son in law made it into an avatar for me.

 

Hi bro

you tagged the wrong Donald there, he's @Donald@HIDevolution not Weatherford


Now Mr. Weatherford will wonder what's going on here

Anyway, when you get your machine, tag me and I will PM you so we can setup a TeamViewer Session to teach you everything, we will also tweak your Windows 10 to disable all privacy invasion stuff / telemetry

I highly recommend when you turn on the laptop, do not connect to a Wifi network when prompted in the initial setup wizard, that way, you can create a local account rather than be forced to login with a Microsoft account. when you get the Wifi networks choice to connect to one, just hit the SKIP link in the bottom left to proceed with the setup wizard then create a local account

once you are logged into Windows then only connect to your Wifi network

 

Please would you tell me how much of a gap is there b/w the individual keys of the keyboard like in the following pic the clearance is .6-.7mm
And battery life
By following another picture

 

Battery's statement in upper post→

 

I'll see what I can do. I read from elsewhere that the keyboard on the KM1 is the same as the one on the DM3.

 

LOL, I typed in @Donald and that Weatherford name just popped up, so I assume that was him.

About TeamViewer, is it something I need to download? Does it matter if I install my antivirus software (ESET) beforehand?
So, all I should be doing is run the setup (no CAT5 connecting to the router/modem) skipping "WiFi network choice", then plug in my CAT5 cable and wait for you. Do I need a microphone?

 

Thanks

 

Yes google TeamViewer, download, and install it

Sure you can have your AV installed, I use ESET NOD32 as well

and yes that's how you would need to do it about the initial setup

your laptop has a built in microphone integrated into the webcam, we need it to communicate offcourse, TeamViewer has a built in VOiP

 

Great, I let you know when everything is set on my end. Thanks

 

Is this confirmed as GTX 10 or GTX 11?

Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk

 

The KM1? It will come with the same 10 series GPUs that DM3 had.

 

So there's no real point in upgrading since the only thing that's different is the motherboard chipset and the cpu.

Will hold out for GTX 11.

Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk

 

Greeting,

P870KM1-G FHD (1920x1080) come in 120HZ Gsync?

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=998&lang=en ( at screen option it does have FHD but no specs )

Feedback appreciated.

 

@Phoenix
Hi, My KM1 arrived about an hour ago, the computer is set up and Eset and Teamviewer is installed. I believe it might be night time where you are. I live in Los Angeles and I stay up pretty late. I'll check this thread often.

 

I will PM you now

 

The gap is between the two vertical white lines. I estimate the gap to be about 0.9mm

 

Thanks for the test
It may be 0.5mm it seems fair as i am used to .6-.7mm so it would feel almost natural to me

In 2-3 days please give a review on the battery life (with phoenix's method too)
Method:

I know it would be short but still
^_^

 

Does anyone have internal pics of this laptop and under the keyboard?

 

I only have a single 1080 card, but I'll be playing my online game on it tomorrow, I'll just let it run on battery and see how far it goes.

 

I was able to hook up with @Phoenix this afternoon for a few hours. At first I didn't know what kind of optimization he was going to help me with, but over the next three hours he completely blew me away with the changes both internally and to the user interface. As I'm looking at the screen right now, there is almost nothing left over from the Windows 10 desktop, even the start menu looks exactly like windows 7. I cannot be more happy with the results. Thank you Phoenix, I learned quite a bit from you today. I'll post a picture tomorrow.

Be smart...Be like Phoenix

And to @Donald and the Hidevolution team, you guys rock. Best customer service I have ever experience.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution

 

Thank you for the nice comments sir. I am glad you like your new tweaked OS. No reason to hate on Windows 10 anymore

@D2 Ultima @Mr. Fox

 

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You can polish the turd but it's still made of .... on the inside.

 

YGTBKM... Sure there is. Windows 10 is a diseased pile of feces when left to the devices of the Redmond Mafia. It can only be made tolerable through the use of third-party software products and many hours of end user hacks and tweaks. I've never had to spend more of my time fixing someone else's screw-ups as I have since Windows 10 was puked upon us.

Amen to that.

 

at least I can make it usable and possible to look at. I throw up when I look at a standard Windows 10 untweaked OS. Cortana Digital ****, Task view button, Micro$h4ft Edge, Windows Virus Store, fugly start menu with ads.......oh my Lord

 

You wouldn't have been able to do a thing for my last install. I had to reinstall the OS entirely to regain proper functionality. NOTHING I set, nothing I or any M$ reps changed, even in the registry, did a thing. Hell, they did an "in-place upgrade" from 10 Pro to 10 Pro and when it finished, it showed I had the option to do the defer updates etc, and literally 1 minute later the OS reverted to its broken state. It's on a fresh install now, the THIRD one I've done yesterday.

 

Wait for teh Ph03n!x to do his magic you on your system

 

This one works, I'm almost ready for ya to do the final tweaks and stuff xD

 

You use @Phoenix Windoze X guide?

 

I did. The last OS install simply broke. This one did not break. The whole OS install was just a crap. I reinstalled it and did the SAME steps and it works. Last time it didn't work.