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The fans on max speed isn't loud for DM1 models!!

 

I know. I wouldn't handle more! xD

 

If they can move more air and cool better but with more noise, I would grab them any day

 

They are not silent at all under heavy gaming...

About heat, CPU gets to 99C and GPU to 75C under max fans for me.

 

Not really a way to cool that kind of horsepower silently in that size.

 

99 is a bit on high side, isn't it?

Fans do get loud under heavy load but then again, like everything else in life, it is subjective as to what you consider loud.

Talking of fans, @Papusan, what dust filters are you using for your notepal cooler fans?


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99C is getting pretty hot, ambient temps, load applied and placement of the machine can all impact that though.

 

That is what I am thinking.

I am sending my machine back to Scan because my machine is hitting 90C+ under load even with a cooler and undervolt. They didn't do their quality control very well when machine was there for upgrades and panel replacement. They did all their tests with multiple set at 38 :O

Foolishly enough I didn't run my own tests (or checked clocks) after receiving the machine. It was only when I tried benchmarking after about ten days that I realised what was wrong





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Did you look at the paste job under the heatsink?

 

Look into My U3 MOD

Re-paste or whatever you need for lowering temp, do it yourself!!

 

42X, placed on table, on U3 cooler, fans at max, reaches 99 -> thermal throttle in less than 1 minute of stress.

40X, same conditions, reaches 95C max, depending on load.

I didn't apply any undervoltage to it tho.

 

@Meaker@Sager @papasun paste job is good. Done using the x method though one can question the quality of the paste.

I believe it is simply a question of cpu not being delidded. This chassis needs delidd for top of the shelf kaby lake processors. @madeinholt has had the same issue and ultimately ended up returning his machine. I have zeroed down on the process and it would cost me roughly £85 to get it done. I contacted scan about the warranty situation if I were to go ahead with the delidd, and they insisted that I send the machine back to them for another round of tests. I thought it does not hurt to let them have another go.

I don't know what they expect to find but since they have displayed what can be, if one is charitable, only termed as negligence, I don't have much hope. To be honest, I am tempted to return the machine (though I am beyond the 30 day return period so don't know if that would be possible) and get the KM1 with a single 1080 (or stretch to a dual) but we will see how this whole thing would go.


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BIOS applies -100mV offset by default :O it will easily take another -25mV without much complain...at least it does in my case.?


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P870 is not as hot actually, I wish I would had considered that at the time of purchase

On the other hand, running above 90C shouldn't be a big problem, if everything works fine, no?

The main concern I'm haing is random restats / freezes. Very rare, but still...

 

Oh yes, I haven't updated to the latest BIOS... Seems a scary process

Where do we get it from?

Me is scared of playing with BIOS and such...

 

Scary? It is pretty standard. If you are not comfortable, maybe ask your reseller to do it for you?

Throttling, by definition, implies less than acceptable and expected performance. You are not getting the performance you paid for plus it is not good for long term health of your laptop's internals.

We should all be steadfast and persistent in not accepting these ad hoc solutions from Clevo. When you pay £2500+ for a laptop, the least you should expect is an effective cooling solution and not something which turns your machine into a bloody toaster under load. Same is true for the keyboard, demand better. We use these machines because they offer best performance but that doesn't mean we should accept sub standard construction and cooling solutions.


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Out of curiosity (and for future purchasing decisions), is Clevo aware of all the issues facing your average P775dm3 user?

I mean surely they are aware of problems with overheating and throttling, and complains regarding keyboard etc?

I am just wondering how do they react to feedback coming from resellers and forums like this? Do they ignore it or suffer from massive inertia when it comes to implementing solutions for cooling and unlock bios? Why build an enthusiast grade machine with crippled bios?

I do apologise if I come across as ranting or having a go at you, but I am just really interested in knowing how clevo takes on all this feedback.


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Those are my results. Not quite good, right?...




BTW,

To ask my reseller to do the BIOS update for me, I would either have to go through the process or send the laptop. Sending it is not comfortable on my side, and doing it myself is kinda the problem itself.

 

WOW. That's with a 6700K too...I will have my P775DM3 tomorrow if Fedex does their job. I have a 7700K/1080 and I will conquer the heat and pass off suggestions. If you were living in America, I would just have you send your machine to me and I would delid/repaste your machine for free.

 

Thank you!

That would had been cool!

Too bad I'm in Romania and I got to take care of it alone.

I think I will install that crazy CCC again and see if I can get the temps under control with just a smidgen of undervolt

 

It's pretty easy to tame temperatures.
It's pretty easy for stores to modify the cooling system.
It's pretty easy to use good thermal compounds.
It's pretty easy to make a one click Windows BIOS update software.
It's pretty easy to test the systems before shipping.
It's pretty easy to improve the stock BIOS.

I'm sick of topics of people complaining.

I'll admit the 7700k might be on the limit of this system, still doable and tunable.

A 6700k? Well it's a walk in the park.

All this complaints make me want to remember everyone that not all of us sell CLEVO laptops, i do not, they might use a chassis manufactured by CLEVO but the end product is not a CLEVO laptop.

This is getting out of hand...

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I must be one of those rare exceptions.

Cause boy, I'm happy with my purchase, I got no issues with Hardware or Software (thanks to Obsidian Tools).
No overheating, the Laptop is a beast, does exactly what I intended to buy this Laptop for.

I got no regrets.

 

John, if only there were more computing solution providers (I won't use the term reseller with companies like yours) like yours and HIDevolution. Believe it or not, I am somewhat in the same field as yours but I don't sell our "computing solutions" to the general public.

It is very easy to do many of the things you've listed but only to those that work in the field or have a passion for computing. I can't say this about all resellers but the majority I have spoke to or have done business with, really don't care about the product itself. They only care about selling you the product for as much as they can and then if you ever have a problem, they put up a lot of roadblocks to discourage you from getting support.

I heard a lot of bad things about the P775DM3 and its thermal problems. Thankfully, I got it for an out-of-this-world price. This means I'm going to be more willing to modify it to get the cooling right. We should see tomorrow how it performs out of box.

 

does anyone know a reseller or preferably a computing solution provider that sells the "Model A" version of the P750DM2?

 

What hack?

Also, I have the 120Hz WQHD screen and can confirm that it is the AUO and that it does indeed have the banding issue. I wasn't aware of it at all and noticed it myself and went like "huh, I'm seeing stripes, why am I seeing stripes, there shouldn't be any stripes, is this interlaced?".
I went Googling on the screen model and found the Alienware systems with the same screen had similar issues.

Allegedly one gets used to it and one will not notice it anymore after a while and while gaming, which is its primary function. Buuut, I know it's there and I do mess about on my desktop quite a bit. I'm still trying stuff out so haven't fully tested it and also not fully decided for or against it. I did mention to my reseller that I found this to be an issue that may need fixing by exchanging it to a UHD screen. I need to decide if I love 120Hz more than I hate banding...

 

so just wondering on my p775dm3-g from HID is it ok to replace the EVOC bios boot logo with my own or is prema or whoever going to cut me off at the knees?
just kinda missing my custom boot logo i had running on my previous laptops...

 

Oh sorry, I wasn't saying the client should have to do those thing, you guys are right with you complains. I was talking about store owners responsibility.
Stores are burning the CLEVO name for all of us.

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?? How does one do that??

 

That's why I will be buying my 775dm3 from you guys when you get these new Qhd panels..


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The two main resellers we have in the UK (Scan and PC Specialist) very much fall into the category which angers @John@OBSIDIAN-PC. I have had dealings with both these UK resellers now on the DM1 and DM3. I have explicitly explained to them what they need to do and they are not at all interested. Maybe things will change when people stop buying from them or when people start returning their machines for a full refund.

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Scan has, or rather DPD, made a complete mess of collection. They couldn't collect it yesterday, and now it has been pushed to tomorrow and it wasn't intimated to me, I had to call them now to get a confirmation. That is three days completely wasted because of (criminal) incompetence on part of their courier service. Getting more and more frustrated day by day.

If I were a buyer in UK, I'd take a hard look at @madeinholt 's advice. I think I will make a thread in reseller feedback forum to detail my experience of the matter.


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99C is not a good temperature for this laptop and I mean it really really really really really isn't. People should be more responsible about it when selling those...

Where can we find a BIOS update in 1 click? All the solutions I've seen thus far are... 10 steps or more solutions and I am simply too afraid to do it all by myself...

 

You should start by undervolting. It will bring temperatures within more manageable range. Use throttlestop for that.

Better yet, do a bios update using @John@OBSIDIAN-PC 's Obsidian utility. Though I am not sure if John has made it available to non-obsidian customers.


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It doesn't work for non-Obisdian customers... They do it remotely for you when you buy from them, but all I got was a 19 step instructions page of flashing the BIOS and it looks really uncomfortable to me 19 steps.....

I usually do programming, but not when I try to play with the hardware of a machine...

 

Well in that case, start by undervolting by -100mV, the default offset in the new bios.

Have a look at the Throttlestop guide on the forum. 99C on all four cores is not good for your CPU! You should really get that under control asap.


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The main solution for getting it "under control" was to decrease the multiplier, it sits around 90C for prolonged usage while on auto fans and if there is no huge load, but it can reach 97C and thermal throttle from a match of Dota2.

 

I don't understand why you are reluctant to use TS to undervolt the system? Admittedly it is not a perfect solution but it does the trick and brings temperatures under 90C.

Here is a nice step by step guide on Youtube. It is a pretty straightforward process,

 

Is anyone interested in a P751DM2-G GTX 1080 version?
Fully OBSIDIAN-PC modded cooling system, benchmarks and temperature prints available to prove amazing temperatures and performance.
Tuned and highly customizable BIOS with lots of menus.
Working with stock NVIDIA drivers, no need for modded drivers!

 

Do you ship to the USA?

 

The earliest info I've seen was from a post made by @batiti93.

See the 2nd paragraph of this post - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-464#post-10350783

 

Do i ship what? This bad boy?



Pulling 100% on CPU and GTX 1080
No delidd, no liquid metal, just modded cooling system and BIOS.

 

Yes, that bad boy.

 

Maybe you rather have the P751DM2 with GTX 1080 and with a 7700K with the 4 Cores locked and fixed close to 4.5Ghz holding up a full usage of 100% CPU and GPU:



A tad hotter but consistent with our P775DM3-G results, so i actually don´t see much difference between both units, a properly modded cooling system and you can have much fun with it.
If it holds 15m of 100% usage on both CPU and GPU without throttle, i think it´s fair to say i can now start doing less demanding tasks with it like playing games. Oh, the GTX 1080 is at 76ºC, so you can also OC that a bit.

 

Whatever, man. Seeing that kind of performance on a GTX 1080 without having to de-lid the CPU is pretty special. What would it take to relieve you of this laptop and send it to the US of AR-15?

 

Wait, the 6700K was not delidded (first image) the 7700K was delidded (second image), yeah that´s right, the jump to the 7700K is a monster difference in temperature. Sure, if you keep regular clocks (stock) they are even lower but not very fun
Btw, you do know that those kinds of temperatures are consistent with all our P775 and P751, we do that in all units. The only thing "new" about this is the GTX 1080 in the P751.

I´m just contemplating the hypothesis of selling this combination, the thing is it would require a PSU update (330W), so this P751 GTX 1080 would probably be more expensive then the P775 and you would loose G-SYNC, so is it worth it? That´s the question!

 

Depends on exactly what the price difference is. I personally don't care as much about G-Sync on the built-in screen, as I never use it - my P670RS is connected to an external G-Sync monitor 99% of the time. Those times I do use the internal display, I'm not gaming.

 

It would be around 100€ more expensive.

 

Well you certainly have my attention. Keep us posted on your progress and what your ultimate decision ends up being.

 

@John@OBSIDIAN-PC @XMG

is the 1.06.06 BIOS useful for my 6700k? Schenker uploaded a new File on their Download Site and i guess it's 1.06.06, i read it allows finally undervolting in Bios. Right now i'm sitting at 1.06.04 with a 6700k, and what's actually the issue some people are experiencing, for example the instant shut down if CPU get's stressed or CPU/GPU hit's only 60 °C is it a 6700k on a 1.06.xx Bios issue? Hard to guess if it's even the 1.06.06, CRC changed for the .BIN and .ROM File so something IS changed. Modify date from the newer .zip flash file is from 03. January tho, and the first .zip i still have here is modified on 13. January

 

That BIOS update issues are old school man...
After flashing remove the battery, unplug it from the psu, hold power for some secs, put it all together, turn on, if problem persist, do it again (turn off, remove battery, etc). Problem solved.
Just dont forget if you are doing that BIOS update there´s also a matching EC and EC2 update and not just the BIOS.
We usually use a "bridge" update (Skylake to KabbyLake) and only after that we flash the latest. That does prevent trouble and makes everything more easy.

I actually don´t know how the undervolt section is supposed to be, i made many changes in our BIOS and i don´t even remember how was the stock way, in ours it is now automatically set to UV, we changed the default signal to (-) and changed the description. We have 2 different OC menus, a simple and a advanced. In one of those it´s possible to select the UV or OV sign, and also CPU voltage and Cache voltage offset are linked (no matter what menu you go to).

EDIT: Oh i forgot the main question, "is it useful", probably better fan behavior, i dont know, i was using my unit with latest BIOS and 6700K, it was running great, i just added a 7700K today.