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I would go as far to say that Eurocom is predatory in its pricing practices. Yes, they price match, but the only reason to charge such ridiculous prices is hoping to skim the few customers that simply accept it.

 

I am getting a P751DM2-G this week. Have my RAM, i7 6700k all ready to overclock the *** out of it.

 

I probably will make the purchase from Eurocom sometime this month or so. The core components (GPU, CPU, screen) are actually competitive with other retailers. It's the other bits that go so absurdly expensive. I can't buy without CPU (bye bye Silicon Lottery), but at least they let me buy without the RAM (less GBP 80 before tax, that's about USD 120-130 I save...). Just bought HyperX Impact 2 x 16 GB for GBP 120 (USD 160) so I'm pretty much all set.

1 TB SM961 should be in stock towards the end of this month.

Hadriel

 

Looking forward to your review / comments of the beast, Congrats for the purchase also.

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I was a little cheeky with how early my SM961 was (got it from retailer with early stock)

 

My new beast arrived earlier this afternoon. I did an unboxing video and posted it on my YouTube channel:



Got the Samsung SM951 installed and put Windows 10 Pro on it, but something went wrong after installing a couple of the drivers where Windows Update refused to function correctly. After another drive wipe and reinstall of the OS, I installed only the Killer LAN driver at first, then let Windows Update configure the rest of the hardware. That seemed to do the trick because it detected everything, save for the airplane mode driver. I've now been getting all my essential software up and running. Then I'll put in my two 960 GB game/media storage SSDs and get on Steam to download some games. I undervolted the CPU by -125, which seems like a decent enough jumping off point. I'll mess around with that stuff more later, but so far so good.

 

You sir, won another subscriber.

Could you do a video review of the unit? Fan noise, heat at stock (with undervolt) and some games showcase?

KEEP'EM COMING

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Congrats mate! Very nice...

 

Not trying to hijack this thread with more MSI info but you can get a 330watter for the MSI to allow for enough power for a full OC given your temperatures are playing nice.

 

I heard from my friend who bought p750dm2 that the power limit on it is maxed at 90w. Any one can confirm this?

 

I think as this Msi use socket i7, we can tolerate a side step

 

@saturnotaku > as a roaming member of the public, I've cherry-picked some quotes from a forum member, whose tried to encapsulate Clevo-World, as it were; the quotes above link to a larger Manifesto for anyone wishing to go there to inspect it line-by-line, but my question to you Sir: is yours a plastic box bereft of build quality & poor engineering, or is this simple posturing & grand standing found in the quotes that reside of above me? (One thermal complaint was easily cured within minutes with an undervolt, while the laptop in question was described as

I've watched your UTube & you seem like a fine honest fellow trying to enjoy his desktop / MXM enthusiast-class product & would like to know how little or how much you may or may not share these sentiments after your special unboxing today. For instance, did a lack of screen options bother you? ... more important, how did the prospect of Kabylake 7700k slipping into your machine soon (while selling 6700k to offset the cost) factor into your LGA purchase? Thoughts on your Rental Car? Reply in any way that feels natural please

Some context of course: in the Dellware forum, we as a community tend to behave there with a sort of License to Ill, overcome with emotions & a certain flair for the dramatic in defense or derision of the product & the company, I'm sure you understand. However this particular post & its quotes seem to have been written with a sober reasoning I might liken to a 'wake-up call', that in some sense the Clevo buyer is automatically smacked by a cold harsh reality from the moment the box is opened that inferiority has crept into & undermined the purchase somehow, & since yours is a brand new unboxing I wondered if that comports to your reality there, for obvious reasons. I'll also set this here where it needs to be, knowing it isn't an isolated remark:

edit: iUnlock can be found all over this place calling 775 a decent effort, if you will, I await his unboxing vid & for weeks now, & this member needs to be credited with having equally positive outlooks on Clevo's, which I tried to do, bring a quote in for balance against the 1st

Since I do not own a Clevo, follow-ups to my post & any subsequent posts would best be fielded by bona-fide owners &/or potential owners. What I will say is that constructive & non-constructive criticism alike can drive these companies to offer better products, & NBR is as fine a place as any to air one's grievances in public. I have no arm-chair grievance I wish to record at the moment but may later, since those are best left to 1st hand owner's of whom companies may listen to faster than lil ol' me; here I've cornered an owner for their opinion, against the stereo-typical owner which was painted for us inside the four-corners of the quotes & I've asked for the reality as it's played out during & after an unboxing. I'm not obligated to respond to comments I never made

New remark beneath me: It would be far fetched to try and defend the reality of what we know is to be true. I've asked for a true picture of reality, since these realities unfold on a one-by-one basis. @|Saturn isn't Linus with a ringer unit; his thoughts on far-fetchedness or the contrary is what I'd like to be reading right about now if it wasn't bedtime which it is

 

I can see your point, but I hope that you can see mine as well. It would be far fetched to try and defend the reality of what we know is to be true. So let me ask:

For a computer that cost thousands of dollars, do you think that there is a lack of quality control with Clevo's or are they superb in your eyes?

Is it acceptable to you for the CPU and GPU to be running in the 90C's and even reaching 100C out of the box? (1080SLI...doesn't matter, there is a point to be made here.)

Depending on how you answer these questions, we may just have to agree to disagree, because the real answers to these questions are very defined without the influences of any ones opinions, including mine.

What isn't grand standing is the fact that there are serious quality control issues here with Clevo's. Although they are not for the novice, a product that is barely hanging on in a category we're so trying to keep alive, it sure doesn't seem like they are doing such a grand of a job wouldn't you agree? There are more issues here than just quality control, or whatever you want to call it, but we don't have to get into that here.

It's important to understand that although the majority of us don't mind repasting, tweaking, tearing it part and adding our own touch to make it our own; there also exists a good portion of those who want the power, but don't want to mess with anything else beyond upgrading the RAM and SSD. That is okay too. So the question is, "Is it fair or is it right for these people to be stuck with a machine that can't even cool itself properly out of the box?" - The answer is obvious.

Honestly, I don't mind the heat issues and want the challenge to defeat it, because as we've seen, it can be done. However, what is NOT okay is for Clevo to take advantage of this to justify their lack of QC. That's the point being made here mate.

Regarding my quote about the 870 and 775...I'm not sure why you've bothered to even quote that, but I just wanted to point out that it clearly states, "IMO," (In My Opinion) and I was referring to the design. So what's your point?

 

Well, first, not sure why there's any discussion of 1080 SLI here, that's not an option available on the P755DM.

Secondly, my current Clevo is three years old, goes back and forth to work with me every day, and is still working like a champ. Not a single thing wrong with it. So I'm personally really happy with Clevo's quality control.

Finally, I guess I wonder how many people are seeing those temps under normal usage, versus simultaneously pushing every component as hard as possible. If it's the latter, I don't think it's a big deal. If it's the former, that's something they should fix, but honestly these are enthusiast notebooks, and if the solution is a little bit of undervolting, that's something I'm totally fine with.

I should be getting mine in the next couple weeks, and as more people get theirs, we'll see what the sentiment is among a broader swath of users.

 

I agree in that it's important to not look at these machines through the googles of only OC'ing, but do keep in mind that even though a user does not OC, simply playing a resource demanding game can push things to a pretty high altitude.

To clarify your confusion about the mention of a 1080SLI, it was just an example to support what I was referring to.

We shall all know soon enough.

 

ordered this GELID Solutions Extreme Performance GC-3 going to repaste both CPU and GPU tomorrow hopefully see a difference with this paste. I'm only re-pasting due to not believing that it's been done well the first time. I'll post results compared to how it's running now and to after.

 

anyone seen any videos of a dm3-g being disassembled?

 

There's one in YT but it's in quick speed so you have to pause every second almost

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P775DM3-G?

 

Yeah it was a p775dm3 definitely I recognized it because of the way the heat pipes were arranged when the guy took off the bottom panel

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have a look, i'm not sure if it's the 15.6 inch or the 17.3 one... the video does not say. however its a dm2/3 model at least.

 

Ok I'll have a look for it let me know if you come across it with a link if you can

 

I got u cover dude haha, look at my previous post

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thanks a lot turned down play speed and shows it's simple really very easily disassembled heatsink quite like my last clevo laptop. Oh well time to do some stress/heat tests to see if re-paste tomorrow helps.

 

It's a 15" P750DM2. The heatsink is the defining characteristic that differentiates them.

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the P775dm3 has a different cooling solution?

 

Look again, that is a P775DM, you can easily tell from the indentation between the screen and keyboard, and from the rear exhaust vents that are not shaped at all like on the 15" P750DM .
It does look smaller due to the angle it is filmed from, but that is just perspective .

 

Ran a few stress tests with AIDA64 this morning. My processor most definitely throttles at stock voltage when running the CPU, GPU, and RAM tests simultaneously. Dropping the offset by just 100 mV brings CPU temps back to 89-90 with no throttling. -150 mV seems stable with temps around 85 or so, but I couldn't run the test for that long before having to leave the house. Will need to investigate a bit more.

 

That's definitely not a good sign... Damn clevo crippling the cooling solution

Keep us posted

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I tried the 43x4 profile but when I tried to go back to default it's set it a lot lower than the stock settings it came with. Anyone know how to get it back to basic settings?

 

Maybe, but I think part of the problem is also the BIOS delivering too much voltage to the processor out of the box and the fans maybe not being quite up to the job of cooling a 95W CPU. My idle temps are just fine: 35-40. And the CPU doesn't get above 83 at stock voltage when just the CPU is stressed. Bear in mind, too, that AIDA and similar utilities go beyond what would be a worst-case scenario for 99% of uses.

 

Yes, they are two different solutions.

No, here is how you tell them apart, although I got them flipped:
P750DM2

P775DM3


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I would agree with that I think the bios definitely needs an adjustment. Mine idles and browses silently, but even low end gaming causes spikes nothing over 88degrees since the undervolt but that's not good. 2 x 12v fans should surely be able to tame the cpu and gpu. I'm repasting tomorrow with different paste to see if it helps. Will ease my mind at least knowing I've done it myself and it's done.

 

This isn't the bios, but the CPU requesting that voltage at stock. The firmware needs attention, but the voltage at stock cannot be blamed on the bios, but Intel!

Fans are a legitimate critique, but I don't know if you are discussing auto or max fans, etc.

Clevo isn't crippling the cooling on purpose, that I know of. There have recently been QC issues on heatsink fits, leaving gaps to be filled by TIM and not performing as well. When they make good contact, it can perform well... But, as we've seen, it doesn't always fit well...

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I would suspect you have a bad paste job because mine has ICD, and the worst temperature spike I've seen is 65 when copying surfing and copying large amounts of data. That's again at stock voltage. My system starts out idling quietly, but once you use it for a bit, it seems as though the fans don't quite return to their previously "silent" state. It's definitely louder than my "old" P770ZM with its 4790K CPU and 980M GPU all around, but it doesn't bother me too much. I have a set of closed-back headphones and with them on, the noise isn't all that noticeable.

The fan table is probably something that can be addressed with a BIOS update or two, if not by Clevo, then certainly Prema.

 

Strange, the Cooling on the p750dm2 seems way better than the 775dm3...

There are too many complexities with this notebook models and a lot of things that need to be addressed.

I may end up waiting a bit more before I purchase this model (if I ever do) because I'm not confident enough I can solve all this things when I get my hands on the laptop... No wonders BGA notebooks are so popular between noobish enthusiasts like me.

 

It is a P775DM no doubt about it, the P750DM2 has a totally different chassis, that looks no way like that .

Your images aren't displaying properly btw, it has been happening a lot on NBR recently .

 

I just said that and provided images. I'll see later after my appointment whether it was my upload or the site.

I thought so too, but examine the thickness on the heat pipes of each. The thicker the pipes, the more potential heat that can be dissipated. The 750 only has a couple really thick ones whereas the 775 has way more thick pipes. This makes a difference.

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Did you overclocking with XTU? I would avoid it, as it is causing far too much issues, like messing up fan profiles and so on. In the worst case you have to do a nvram reset (taking out the Bios-Battery for a minute).

 

Ohh totally misunderstood your post, and since the images didn't work it was even more confusing

Sorry mate

 

Is the CPU voltage decreased in the BIOS or with a software utility in Windows? (Linux user asking)

 

thanks got it to reset. Think I'm going to remove it it's unnecessarily cluttered.

 

Depends which version. Prema bios allow it in the BIOS/UEFI. I don't know if they added it for stock though. If using software utility, use throttlestop instead of XTU.

See my comment in this post for a better utility...

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yeah soon as I've uninstalled xtu things seem a little better

 

does not make a difference. depends on the linux your using but the v+- are set in the UEFI opROM which can be done through Win or "Linux" with apt i thinks it is easier with yum/dnf not so. but thats just for me... no expert with fedora or any rpm based lnx. im sure prema will release a a "bios" update

anyone got g-sync win hello and finger print working with inseder prev 14915? for pc-specialist so not the 4k diskplay...

 

Eurocom release date for the Sky X7E2 is tomorrow. (P775DM-3)

Here's hoping I get a call saying I can come pick it up!

 

Best of luck! I took a quick browse and see that Eurocom has options for the 120hz G-Sync panels now? :O Yesssss!

 

Does anyone know if a reputable source has done a review of the P775DM2 with the 120Hz screen? I just googled it and found nothing.

 

There isn't even a review of a P775DM2 with a 60hz screen, outside of the one on this forum, I wish we'd get a few more reviews too .

 

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