*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

Welcome all Prospective & Future Batman 2.0 Owners (Clevo P75xDM)

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Here's what we know so far as confirmed:

• No refresh for Batman (Clevo P750ZM) - other than G-Sync Support
• Instead a new model will be released Early Q4 2015 (Clevo P750DM)
• It will retain the same awesome chassie (no significant Chassie changes)

Confirmed Features

• Support for new Skylake Processor/Motherboard
• DDR4 - (An example of some DDR4 Chips (Crucial DDR4 - 2133 Mhz Specs)
• PCIe Gen 3 x4 (2 slots, one will be used for Wireless Card)
• USB 3.1
• Thunderbolt 3.0 /USB 3.1 Combo port
• HDMI 2.0
• Possible Sharp 17" 4K Panel is in the line up provided they are mass produced in time, if not they will possibly become available as they become available.
• Graphics Card slot will be the same MXM 3.0 type B
• Displayport 1.2
• Dual M.2 SSD capability and hardware RAID
• G-Sync - Samsung 4K Panel (Sharp 4k Panel G-Sync support has not been confirmed yet)

Leaked Time Line of Release Dates for Skylake Processors





I've provided some appetizers below for you to enjoy while we wait for the Batman 2.0

There is a lot of cool technologies coming online to look forward too, and that are important for manufactures like Clevo to consider. Such as..

Next Gen PCIe SSD's NVMe - A great article! Phison supplies SSD manufactures like crucial, kingston etc.. with their Phison controller. Crucial, & Kingston are position well and may one up Samsung because it's partners are on track to produce a 1TB PCIe SSD and also include encryption on the fly which Samsung hasn't mentioned anything about, and may not even support that feature as Samsung's current SM951 SSD does not support encryption on the fly. Samsung's SM951 also runs hot because their controller is using an architecture of 30-40nm the memory on the other hand is much smaller.

Another exciting feature is Thunderbolt 3.0 - a great article
More in depth Thunderbolt 3.0 article here by- anantech

Watch Intel's recent Computex Keynote Presentation here

* I hope the P750-DM aka Batman 2.0 get's Intel's Real Sense implemented which would be a cool feature. (not yet confirmed)

I'll continue to update this. I hope this helps you in making a purchase decision.





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Looking good! All I want is future MXM 3.0b support. This is a good sign...

I'm sure Clevo has some inside information regarding Pascal, otherwise they'd be making a huge mistake releasing a system with MXM support if Pascal is not MXM. So, I think it's safe to assume Pascal is MXM at this point (assuming what you've provided is accurate).

 

I think this is the one pals ! I really like that thunderbolt/usb 3.1 port and the fact that skylake and all the skylake refreshes will be supported on this. The only thing that I'm worried about now is the price tag however if its comparible to the normal zm then I have a new laptop to take home to the family.

ps:
Im still curious what other clevo books are on the way if any only to see the performance of the mobile skylake but I have not heard much on that. Any ideas whats going on there ?

 

True or not, thanks for at least spilling the beans on what you know. Seemed like you were content to prod people a bit with a bag of hot air, and lead us on (aka troll the forum).

I'm thinking along the same lines as J.Dre that if true, it somewhat increases the odds that Pascal will be MXM. Now to hear what the horse actually has to say.

 

Thanks for taking the time to post this. Hopefully one day it can be moved back to the owners lounge.

 

Once it is announced through an official channel I will clean it up and move it back to the owners lounge.

 

I doubt it will be hardware raid with a chip and ram on the motherboard for it.

 

Agreed. The Z170 chipset has Intel RST, same as the Z97 chipset.

 

Yep which would be the usual firmware raid, like software only bootable.

 

I was able to verify the information given here and as such, I am turning this into an official owners lounge.

 

Hopefully we get some reasonable high speed DDR4 modules because at the moment the fast DDR3 heavily beats it.

 

+1.

2400MHz minimum. Hopefully up to 3000MHz will be available, or at least supported.

 

I wonder how many pages this thread will have before the first end-user is an actual 'owner'...well maybe in a little over 3 months the first people in Asia should be getting theirs...

EDIT: Why asking people in a 15" model thread what screen size they want? 15" model has always been the better selling version...HM/EM/SM/SM-A/ZM...

 

I'd take 144hz 1440p over 4k any day for gaming. I hope 4k doesn't become the only option for the next round of these laptops. Clevo, please DO NOT jump straight to 4k only. 1080p is just too low for Pascal, unless they do 120Hz-144Hz. Pascal may be perfect for that... Imagine a smooth 120 FPS at 1080p? Drooling just thinking about it... But 1440p/1600p makes sense, as that's the next step up from 1080p.

@Prema,

Most definitely. We're just now coming to a stop on the hype train. It'll probably be a good 3-5 months before anyone actually has one in hand on these forums.

 

In general the major Clevo partners tend to get their retail stock at the same time, but of course some of us lucky ones get to see the hardware much earlier - not bragging just love my job

Interestingly the panel/laptop size popularity is different depending on the country. I won't go into details but in Europe some countries show that 15" models are noticably more popular and in others the 17" sell better.

This type of customer preference regarding panel resolutions and so on is always collated as feedback to the powers that be;-)

I wonder, is this the first Owner's Lounge thread that has been created before a model has even been announced let alone launched into the market?

 

Prema, I was thinking the same thing too. Though we can archive those pages if needed when the time comes, however this can serve as a central place to discuss the specs on the upcoming Batman. When people get excited about something it can take some time to weigh out different options and choices between various models, and it gives some people some good conversation to engage in while they save up $$ for their purchase.

Yes I know 15" is the most popular over other laptop display panels but I thought it'd still be interesting to ask since it's a 4k display.

 

It surprises me to hear that 15" is more popular. I can't stand 15" screens. I'd take a 20" if it was available...

 

@Ethrem 15" is better portability for people in school/college/university.

The smaller re-seller in Taiwan & Korea and other Asian nations usually sell a good 3 weeks to end user before Europe and US receive their stock.
They simply enjoy a logistical advantage and get direct shipments as they don't have to go through one of the large quantity importer.

On topic (-ish):

What I am personally looking forward to the most is 17" 4K (still hoping they bump the SLI model to eDP 1.4a...120Hz 4K hello ) and the Thunderbolt 3 port. Imagine what eGPU joy that'll bring...

EDIT: And no this is not to start a 4K gaming discussion, I actually do work on my systems...have 2K (WQHD) on 13" atm and it's perfect...

EDIT 2: What I am looking forward to most as a gamer are actually the Oculus Rift & HTC Vive, hope NVIDIA gets their driver ready for SLI support. It is unbelievable how long it took to be build VR into a consumer product, I remember testing a VR build by Silicon Graphics in IRC 1993...LOL.

 

I have to admit I don't keep track of when the resellers you mention usually get their stock, but logistically it should only be a couple of days difference. Anyway, going off topic!

4K 17" does seem to be a repeatedly requested feature and it makes more sense in 17" than 15".

 

Agreed. I´d probably have chosen 1440p on my P771ZM if it were available.

 

Can you really make use of it at 100%? If so, WOW, I envy you and your eyes I don't have that good eyesight. I think 2560x1600 on 17" would be as far as my eyes can go. Speaking about 100% scaling, couldn't care less about the other options, since it gets ugly, very ugly and defeats the purpose of the higher res.

 

I'm considering going 17" this time around. As long as Windows 10 scaling is improved, I'll take 4k. I'll likely still play games at 1080p, unless an SLI rig can manage 4k gaming without much issue.

But personally I would prefer a 16:10 3K LCD. I think that would be perfect.

 

Same here, kinda tempted to get a neolithic-era HDX 9000 right now ... saw one for $200 (+$125 for the 1200p panel).

Very much enjoy the 13.3" for its portability; it's a proper laptop and for desk work on location there's an external 30" 2560p. Yet for movies the 20" would've been perfect as is. This is, however, a luxury of sorts; if you can only afford one laptop then an inbetween 15.6" makes sense.

 

I guess for me, hauling around a 17" laptop was never an issue. I never had anything smaller. I owned a Toshiba Satellite X205 and then an Alienware M17xR1. You want to talk about huge... But that didn't stop me from taking them to work every single day so that I could play games and browse the web on my Sprint EVDO card while dealing with customers on the phone. I just don't get how people can use smaller machines. I struggle with using the keyboard on my P377SM-A at times because it is a 15" keyboard in a 17" chassis. I also like not having to squint at the screen to read (and sometimes I still have to do that when I'm having a bad day with my astigmatism). I have friends with smaller laptops and they all agree that the immersion in games is so much better on my 17" laptop when compared side by side and they all are jealous of my machine other than the Mac users who play Facebook games.

 

Exactly, for people that do lots of work on their laptops (coding, image editing, lots of multi-tasking), high resolutions and good eyes are a must. I went for the M17x R2 only for it's 1920x1200 resolution, for me it's still the best 17 inch notebook up to date simply because of its resolution.

 

It won't matter soon as we'll all be using 6 x 50" screens in virtual desktops

To be fair we need at least 4K VR for that to work well but that's not far off.

 

I'd love to see a high refresh rate 1440p display

 

I was hoping Batman 2.0 would have displayport 1.3 to support high refresh rates like 120Hz for VR. I more excited about using VR for a desktop monitor replacement than for gaming, but I don't think VR will be ready for a desktop display replacement until they have 4k VR. I just can't wait until there's a unit that I can use every day for normal work etc.. It's nice having a lil privacy while you do work, or while working or watching a movie on a plane etc..

correct me if I'm wrong here on the VR I haven't kept up with it for a while, but I don't think any of the ones coming out this year would be good enough to use on a day to day basis to replace a desktop display.

 

I think you'll be surprised. I had the low res DK1 and even that was nearly workable.

Due to the slight movements of your head a lower resolution can actually look a lot higher than it is especially when looking at a stationary object.

 

Yeah I really miss the screen from my M17xR1 a lot. Whenever I have to pull that machine out, I'm reminded how amazing the screen really was. It is also much better calibrated than the LG 120hz panel I have which washes out yellows really badly.

 

So what HW raid is it using? Is it a co-processor ?

 

I would imagine it will use the same raid specs as the original Batman Clevo P750ZM is there any other important specifics that you guys are itching to know? That hasn't already been mentioned?

I think we have the bulk of the details now, though I'm very curios to see how well Skylake can be over clocked.

 

6600K & 6700K are very much unlocked!

 

K models have typically denoted an unlocked version, the 6700 without K would be locked.

 

YES, "K" version Haswell and Skylake and "C" version Broadwell are marking the unlocked versions.

 

Which is?

I can't even find drivers for it here: http://63.110.85.2/index.cfm?mainpage=download&modelno=P750ZM/P770ZM#file

 

Really dumb question here, why is this laptop called Batman? Is that an official series name given by clevo/sager or is it nickname given here on the forums?

 

4k screens on the 17 inch models makes more sense and I think they should have added that from the start along side the 15in models but i guess they had their reasons. As far as the skylake goes I think thats very well suited for builds like these. Like profx I was a bit torn on if I should wait but something is telling me to do so in my mind since future proofing has been a major priority for me. I think this model has the potential to go the distance !

Its nickname that began here on the nbr forums and I'm surprised there has been no copyright infringement cases as of yet LOL.

 

Decisions like this take a number of factors into account, which include what Clevo expect the demand to be like (which is in part based on feedback from direct Clevo customers like XMG and Sager) as well as the physical availability of the option. I don't know if there has been a 17.3" 4k panel available until recently but this is more ZM discussion than future model discussion

 

Right, production unit 4K 17" screens where simply not made by any LCD manufacturer, reason being the much higher sale numbers of 15" screens, which are far more popular across all Notebook OEMs.

 

Spoiler: Why the "Batman"?

There you go. They said it best...

 

Ah, I guess this was covered in the 600+page owner forum of the current model. TY for the response all.

 

Yep, same reason why decent 18.4" panels are hard to find as they are even more niche.

 

Will this new model have a sli configuration is the darn question pal

 

Would be surprised if it did since the current does not. Just not enough room in the chassis.

 

The P975DM or "DM" as we might call it or Batman 2.0 will not have SLI in the 15" or 17" version. However Clevo's product lines that support SLI will be getting Skylake too!

P.S If you could give the P975DM a new nick name What would it be? I think Batman is cool, but I think it would be fun to brainstorm names that would fit it well, and if anything just for the fun of it.

 

If you're talking of the P7xxDM then no other name is more fitting than Batman 2.0, since it's the same chassis. One could say that it's the same batmobile but sports another engine.

 

It would be nice to see a replacement to the P570WM, if just for the awesomeness you could fit inside with modern connections. The weight class is just so much higher though so I would expect it to be kept to a different line.

 

Holy wow, I didn't expect to see this information when I came here today!

So this is the news about the Batman refresh huh. I quite like it (but I am a simple man). I was hoping for a chassis upgrade, maybe to something more metal-esq rather than plastic but given that this looks like it is coming out Skylake compatible and in early Q4 2015 I think I can personally overlook it

Thanks for sharing!

 

How about “ SS Disaster Area”? Or “The Stuntship”?

Though to qualify all keys would have to be pure black and the leds as well ... Hmm, and the display would have to run 100% K gamut, obviously.