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I've asked MYSN to clarify whether there is a refresh rate limit regarding NVIDIA Optimus or not.

Edit: if they confirm the 4K display is indeed limited to 48Hz by Optimus I shall have no other option but to go with pcspecialist and their 3K IPS display because all the 1080p panels are either TN or inferior quality IPS panels. I will just have to hope and pray that there isn't another faulty AC 7260 inside. Waiting on the response...

 

I really don't see a convincing argument for 4k at the moment. Come 2016, we'll have very efficient and very powerful mobile GPUs that crush 4k as today's GPUs presently crush 1080p. I'd recommend people get the 1080p version and save some money. And OC the 970m within the range of a 980m.

 

All of the 1080p panels for the P650/P651 are TN panels except for MYSN, who offer IPS - but I do not know if their IPS panel is inferior to the 3K/4K panels out there or not in terms of viewing angles, colours and contrast etc.

EDIT: The notebookcheck review seems to confirm that the panel is 60Hz as they were not locked to 48Hz in their testing = http://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo-P651SE-Schenker-XMG-P505-Barebones-Notebook-Review.127978.0.html

 

Thanx Cake. I'm going to cancel my order and order the IPS 1080p option from mysn.

One user posted mysn IPS 1080p panel photos.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=9835300

 

The problem with the stock TN panel is that it's just OK but if your spending almost 2 grand or above on this laptop OK is not good enough you want WOW!
Most people interested in the 4K screen don't plan on gaming much at native res but the extra screen real estate is very nice to have when doing other things.
Trust me I would go with the stock 1080p screen if it was good enough.

 

The 1080p provided by MySN is a quality panel, there was a link somewhere where somebody with a Lenovo Y50 (here on the forums) upgraded their crappy screen to the AUO IPS which comes with the P505, and the differences in the photos was amazing. I will try to find it. I'll also probably receive the P505 from the courier sometime this week, so i can provide a first hand report.


edit: Found it. http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/741832-y50-thread-635.html#post9714571

Allow the link to load you directly to the relevant post. To my knowledge, the 'after' panel is the exact same one that MySN is using for the P505.

 

Depends on your re-seller. I assume you're writing from a USA perspective, in which case I've heard it's difficult/even impossible to find a domestic re-seller offering a 1080p IPS option.

In my perspective, I was referencing Schenker, who sell the P651SE/SG default with 1080p IPS Matte. If I was an American buyer, I guess I would opt for the 4k option if the alternative was a TN panel.

 

Well this is interesting; Scan claim to be stocking the 4K panel after all.

Here is the quote I received from their forums:

 

Optimus does not have a lock at 48 Hz, it definitely goes up to 60 Hz, but unfortunately not ABOVE that. so there IS a lock to 60 Hz (which non-Optimus machines dont have, thus support overclockable refresh rates), with the Samsung 4K panel supporting just 48 Hz at stock (no idea though if its possible to OC it to 60 Hz).

my 2c

@cakefish: seems like theyve got some internal communication problems haha

 

Cake good to know Scan gave you the info you need. Like I said their forum is the best place to know technical stuff before you buy.

 

Allegedly 48Hz is due to the bandwidth limits of the Intel HD 4600 Graphics. So while Intel claims it's DisplayPort 1.2 capable, it's actually not. That's certainly better than the 30Hz bandwidth limits of the Intel HD 4400. It was limited to DisplayPort 1.1 bandwidth.

Now, that said ...

There are design options at the hardware-level, even with Optimus, to bypass the Intel GPU. As long as the design, in hardware, allowed that -- and it may be only possible to do at Firmware-Cold Boot (e.g., CMOS setup option) -- then there should be no such limitation due to the Intel HD 4600.

Of course, if you go with a new Intel processor with the Iris Pro 5200, this may no longer be a limitation in Optimus. Not sure if that is always the case when one uses an older Intel 80 chipset with a newer Intel i-series designed for a 90 chipset. But it is a consideration.

I wish I knew for sure. PC OEMs seem to be very poor in detailing the limitations, and I usually have to look at Intel's own open source in Linux/Xorg code to find information on the GPU and interconnect limitations. I cannot even find out good information, internally, on my own HP EliteBook 840 G1 (i5-4300U / Intel HD 4400), despite who I work for.

 

MYSN and pcspecialist have both informed me that there is no limit on the Sharp 4K panels. Combined with the notebookcheck review, I am inclined to believe them.

MYSN told me the model number they use for the 1080p IPS panel. It is the AUO B156HAN01.2: AUO B156HAN01.2 Overview - Panelook.com

 

Yes, MySN actually confirmed this already on page 25 of the thread:

 

Looks good, but the Sharp LQ156D1JX01 is still a better quality display overall: LQ156D1JX01 Datasheet download - Panelook.com

I'll probably go with the Sharp display in that case, even when scaled at 1080p it should look slightly better than that AUO panel (not to say that the AUO is bad, far from it). Main attractions are the fact that it is a 8 bit panel vs only 6 bit for the AUO and the much higher contrast ratio of 1000:1 vs the 700:1 of the AUO.

 

Interesting... the spec sheet for the Samsung panel here shows 60Hz, so where is the 48Hz coming from if not Optimus?

 

True the Sharp is better across the board, though I'm not sure those improvements (aside from 4K) represent a premium of £213 over the default 1080p IPS, which is itself already excellent. I will be keen to hear what you think about the 4k display though, if you go with it, as the guys at Notebookcheck seemed to be generally in awe of it.

 

+£190 premium over at Scan. My only concern is that it is glossy, not matte. But I think I am willing to endure that in exchange for such a high quality display, that's apparently a step up from even the Panasonic VVX16T028J00 that I have been using the past 2 weeks on the P35X v3.

 

The 48 Hz comes from an internal samsung document that was intended for Clevo concerning the P65x series. The leak was actually posted in this thread (or the P650SE first look thread, dont remember) and stated a stock refresh rate of 48 Hz. Ill look it up later since im off to the gym now, but if anyone cares to chime in on this, be my guest

 

I'm 99% set on Scan now. pcspecialist has been knocked out of the running due to only having the hellspawn aka Intel AC 7260 available. It's a fight between Scan and MYSN and I think I already know the answer. Scan are around £100 cheaper for the same specifications while including a dead pixel guarantee (unavailable with MYSN) and have the brushed finish, which I find slightly more attractive than the sandblasted version on the MYSN XMG P505. The only downside is that they don't have a fingerprint scanner - and that's not really enough of a reason to not choose Scan. In terms of the Killer N-1202 vs the Intel AC-7265, I already know that the Killer is a working product as I have it in my Clevo P170SM, while the Intel is a real risk considering the issues I've had with the AC 7260. I don't have an AC router and won't likely have one for years, so AC compatibility is almost entirely redundant for my needs.

Unless I can come up with a reason to not go Scan over the next few hours, I think I shall go ahead and preorder

 

Scan will be fine. If you have a any questions or issue don't contact their CS by email or phone. Go directly to their fourm. it's much faster and guys over there easy to deal with.

 

Sigh, my P505 is coming with the Intel 7265 which I hope has some sort of hardware improvements over the 7260, otherwise I might need to ask for the Killer 1525 sometime down the line.

 

How come the NP8652 is not available in the land of freedom yet?

 

I have my fingers crossed for you!

What is the official difference between 7260 and 7265? There doesn't seem to be any real differences from just a quick glance at the official specifications on Intel's website.

7265: http://ark.intel.com/products/83635

7260: http://ark.intel.com/products/75439...s-AC-7260?_ga=1.71447441.301178729.1416234802

There must be something to warrant the updated model number, so maybe it's simply fixes to all of the 7260's issues?

 

cuz it aint available anywhere yet dec 3rd at the earliest

i for one didnt have any issues whatsoever with the 7260ac, installed drivers and ran flawlessly right out of the box.

the 7265 is just a minor update with enhanced energy saving features and i think slightly more range and stability. didnt someone post this just recently somewhere here? losing track of all these P65x series threads popping up lately

 

Ugh. I just want to preconfigure/preorder it like our EU/UK friends. I am also interested in seeing if any US reseller will have a 1080p IPS available. I don't want a 4k screen on a 15" laptop that has only 4GB of vram.

 

The way I understand it, 7265 is M.2, 7260 is mPCI-e

 

the 7260 is available in both m.2 and mini pcie though... whereas the 7265 is m.2 only

 

It is decided. I am going with Scan

3XS Graphite LG1520 [£1872.42 inc VAT]

Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5GHz
16GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz
4GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M
Sharp 4K 3840 x 2160 IPS screen
512GB Plextor M6e
Killer Wireless-N 1202
Dead pixel guarantee for 28 days

The Gigabyte P35X v3 cost me £1800, so once I get the refund back from that, it'll pretty much pay the new laptop off completely.

Time to restart the countdown clock!

 

so afterall it is indeed a bandwidth problem from the iGPU itself? my question would be how did sharp get around with that have 60hz 4k panels then......?

 

wasnt bjs post just regarding external displays@displayport?

 

The panels connect with eDP - embedded display port.

 

ah right, my bad *duh*

but wouldnt that be kinda risky for the vendors to promote 60hz for the internal AND up to 4K/60Hz for external displays via DP if thats not actually the case?

 

I realise that the 512GB Plextor M6e is overkill and comes at a price premium vs other SSDs, however there is a method to my madness! I already have two high-capacity, fast SATA-III drives; the Samsung 850 Pro 1TB and Samsung 840 Pro 512GB drives. If I were to get even a cheap-o 120GB 840 Evo SSD, it'd be wasted as I'd simply replace it with the faster, better drives I already have. So why not a HDD? Because then the OS cloning process will take a lot longer and I want my first impression of the new laptop to be one of speed, not the slow dark ages of HDDs. Also, having the Plextor M6e will allow me to avoid having to go through the bother of cloning the OS over at all!

 

the 7265 comes with an improve centrino M processor, better stability, better speed (up to 33%) and hardware fixes compared to the 7260, is that enough ?

 

Should be more precise :

 

How can they put less stuff in more space??
I hope this won't be confirmed!


EDIT PS: Mysn let to choose two m.2 SSD from the preorder page

 

Hi,

Could you elaborate on this comment for me?. I've been out of the laptop game for a while, but I'm thinking of purchasing a 17" model (P705 XMG from mysn).

Are you comparing the theoretical same models (15" and 17" versions) of the laptops when you state 3x M.2 vs 2x M.2 slots, or are you comparing them to the P751ZM?.

When you state if one of the two M.2 is used by a modem, the other cannot be used for storage (SSD) why is this?. Would I be able to use a M.2 x4 SSD in one slot and a wireless/Bluetooth M.2 in the other at the same time?.

Thanks in advance.

 

haha nono, i was really talking about the p65x and the p67x series although im very excited about the p751zm im keeping it out of this thread as best i can, since its not the topic of discussion

the p67x specs are stated on the mysn site, especially the faq of this model. it states that no 3K/4K screen option will be available, since apparently the global market aint big enough for highres 17" laptops (according to clevos reasoning). the same capacity battery goes back to premas thread over at TI and was confirmed again by MySn. same goes for the two m.2 ports that can either sport 1x 3g/4g modem, 2x sata storage or 1x pcie 2x/4x storage. what exactly this restriction is based on (especially concerning the 3g/4g modem installation basically making the other port unusable) is unknown unfortunately...

 

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/files/videos_new/4769.mp4

A new video if you want.

 

small correction: its not mentioned on the faq page but rather in the technical specs of the p705:

http://translate.googleusercontent....02;010&usg=ALkJrhitsadaCND8b306FkmVxg9Vz4p_0A

translated it from german into english, check the storage section there.

quote:

"Hard Drives:
1x 2.5 "(7-9.5 mm) SSD / HDD, SATA-III

1x 2.5 "(7mm) SSD / HDD, SATA-III

M.2 2280 1x slot SSD, PCIe Gen2 x2 / x4 or SATA-III

M.2 2280 1x slot SSD, SATA III (when configured with UMTS module, the second M.2 slot no longer be used for SSD's)"

 

Just sad that us Americans got to wait til early December before we even see listings of P651SG

 

Mythologic

 

I have to hope there's been a miscommunication here - have they forgotten that the WiFi/BT card is M.2 as well? i.e. there should be an A-keyed M.2 slot (WiFi/BT), an M-keyed M.2 (PCIe x4/SATA), and a B-keyed M.2 (PCIe x2/SATA/3G/LTE) slot.

 

good stuff, will add to the OP in a bit

 

They go like this Clevo -> Sager ( second quality control / rebranding, etc) ->resellers -> you
We go like this Clevo -> resellers -> ME ME ME

If i recall, some resellers in the USA sell clevo not sager (myhtlogic ? https://www.mythlogic.com/2013_Models/dia1614.php)

 

Those with the SE: how are the trackpad buttons? Does the force required to press them feel about right?

 

this. im guessing they list the wifi/bt m.2 port separately since it cannot be used for storage and is for different dimension m.2 cards.

 

Thanks for the reply.

Do you also know if the wireless options are future upgradeable?. I don't know about these laptops, but in my present one the wireless cards are replaceable. If for example I chose an Intel 3160 over the 7265, could I replace it with the killer 1525 in the future?.

I just prefer to order a laptop with the bare minimum and then buy all the extras separately. If I choose no HDDs or SSD options, can I install all of these later?. It's just confusing as on the Clevo website is also states:

(Factory Option) Two M.2 2280 SSD, SATA interface (RAID 0/1) or One
M.2 2280 SSD. PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface

Under the storage options for the P65* series laptops.

 

But if you're counting it in the 3 for the 15", then you have to count it in the 17", too, which means they both have 3 M.2 slots - there's no "fitting less into more space" when it comes to the M.2 slots.

Edit: Unless, of course, they're not using M.2 for the WiFi card! But even then, you shouldn't be counting the 15" M.2 slot, because it's not for storage.

 

Perfect then!