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I get that, but the cards that are on the market (the ones I found) comply to those sizes, not because they have to electrically, but they still do. By the way, the size of the card wasn't the point in that list.

If you have a slot that does not have a key, it would be keyless, correct? If what you're saying is that that can't be possible within the M.2 specification because of incompatible pinouts, then that actually answers the question I was asking, and so no, A and B keyed devices won't be able to share a slot, unlike B+M keyed devices that can share B or M keyed slots.

That was the question - number of traces, and pinout. If the pinout for an A keyed slot doesn't provide, as a subset, a logical duplicate of the MiniPCIe pinout, then you won't have the ability to duplicate a MiniPCI card's functionality in M.2 form factor.

Again, I get that... but then again, the info I posted was a summary of info posted at various other sites, so maybe there's a market standard that's not driven by electronic necessity?

Exactly.

 

well, if youre not planning to overclock it or are not a benchmark freak, then just go with the cheapest solution out there

 

not really planing to benchmark, but maybe later, so what would you order, if you do not have to look at your budget?

 

if budget is not a problem, then of course go with the fastest

at 2133 mhz, which is the fastest available stock speed at the moment, there are pretty much just three brands to choose from:

G.Skill Ripjaws
Kingston HyperX
Corsair Vengeance

all three come in 4GB & 8GB dimms / in 8GB & 16GB Kits and G.Skill so far has the only 32GB kit available at this speed

in the end, its basically just a matter of taste which one u go with

there are also those "magic" samsung 4GB dimms that provide stock speeds of 1600 mhz but are able to clock up to 2400 mhz, but i dont have the exact model spec...

 

OMG!! I think i am gonne order myself the P650SE. I dont want to wait another month for the SG..

Question #1:
Will the 970M hold on for some years.? I dont want to play games on med/high over 4/5 years.

Question #2:
Is it possible to oc the 970m.? Low temp = oc i thought haha

 

seriously? ask yourself this: if youre planning to use this laptop for the next 4-5 years, isnt it worth to wait an additional 2-3 weeks to get the most you can afford hardware-wise? just some food for thought

 

+1000^1000. the 980M IS quite strong, and the laptop will be cooled better, speaking of the gpu (duh, it's 15W more the 980M) but more importantly for the CPU

 

Haha, i am asking this myself for about a week now Now i can get the P650SE with 16GB of ram (PC3-17000 (DDR3-2133), IPS screen and 2x256GB (2xM500). for €1527. If i want the GS i have to pay €1804 for this setup..

If i go for the GS, what would be the cheapest and fastest (OS) option.?
I own a HDD 500GB, and 4GB Ram from my old laptop that i can use, i hope.

 

just be aware that there is approximately a 30% gap between the 980M and the 970M. u could potentially reach stock 980M performance with some intense oc and tweaking, but why not start off with 980M stock AND oc the crap out of that?

as to your question: cheapest and fastest OS? i can only recommend windows 8.1

u can also save some money by going with one single 512GB drive instead of raiding 2 256GB models. u wont see any real life performance boosts anyways, unless ure planning to copy large files back and forth internally or have an external SSD at your disposal...

 

Hmm, i pay €92 for a 256GB and €180 for 512GB And i ment for cheapest OS, what choice of SSD/M.2 configuration would be the cheapest.

128GB m.2 with HDD
128GB SSD with HDD
etc.

I want a fast windows partition + fast loading times with games etc.

 

yea sure, but u listed 2 drives, so it would be 184€ for 2x256 and 180€ for 512 gb

oh u mean cheapest os drive choice. well i wouldnt look at anything below 128GB, and there the cheapest form factor would most probably still be the 2.5" one. aside from that, ull have to decide for urself how much storage space u need

 

I actually peordered it and they started processing it on the 6th. So all together about a week total.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

Ordered mine on the 10th (midnight), basically 11th, hoping to receive by the 21st at the latest so I can have it for that weekend. Based on your experience, I should be okay! With a bit of luck too.

 

XP941's 4k r/w speed is barely any faster than an evo. unless you are a content creator that needs to transfer GBs of files constantly I don't see any reason why you need a PCIe SSD that costs about twice as much. if you really wanted you could just set up raid 0

 

Where did you order from?

 

So, is it recommended to have OS and games on separate drives or is it OK if they are all on one?

 

No problem if all on one, people prefer to separate though so that they can reinstall the OS without having to reinstall games. Another argument can be made that it'll use up a lot of read/write cycles on the SSD but honestly shouldn't be that big of an issue.

I personally have a small SSD to put OS and applications on and then mechanical drive for my games installed since load times aren't a huge deal to me.

 

So would 32GB be that much better than 16gb for video editing? I really need smooth timeline movements and real time previewing on adobe premiere pro. I'm getting SSDs, and the 970m which will have more than enough cuda cores to help with mercury GPU boost but I'm just curious about the ram. Also I know CPU power is important with editing, especially with h.264 encoding and such, so would there be noticeable improvements using a 4870hq vs 4710hq?

 

How does having games on the SSD cause a lot of read/write cycles? I thought game files were just read from to run and the only thing you're really writing are save files, which overall are typically small sizes.

 

More than not having it at all on there. Maps/levels aren't kept in RAM when they're not being used. If you're playing a game that has lots of loading between areas (Borderlands, Skyrim, Watchdogs, etc...) then every time you load that next area is reading and most of the time writing to save file. It's not like it's doing so over the capacity of the entire drive but still more than not having it saved to SSD at all.

As I mentioned though, not going to be a big issue.

 

I honestly think 16GB is good enough for video editing, unless you are talking resolutions of 1080, higher avg bitrates (>2mpbs), and clip lengths totaling beyond 90-120 mins.

 

Schenker UK

their website is mySN.co.uk P505 Pro

 

That's really not a very pertinent question with Windows.

Short answer: I wouldn't fret it, as you can honestly do very little about it.

Long answer:

Spoiler

Gary Kindall didn't design CP/M in the '70s to separate binaries, data, temporary files, etc... on devices or even file systems, and DOS-Win-NT has been dealing with that ever since. Of course, Kindall, didn't even create directories, hence why DOS 2.0 used SCO Xenix code to add directories (and the infamous adoption of backslash (\), instead of existing forward slash (/) as Xenix itself, UNIX and other systems, etc...).

Now NT eventually allowed "anchors" (NT5) and, more recently (NT6+), allows mounts into directories -- e.g., you could a single C: which has different directories under it provided by different devices -- but there are some compatibility issues. And the greater issue is not all programs write user data to under C:\Users, and the whole TMP/TEMP/etc... is a long story.

I don't like to put \Windows, \Users, swap file and the TMP, TEMP, etc... environment directories on a NAND. But that's just me.

Er, um? I wasn't aware of games being able to work on a new install when the Windows system has been replaced wholesale. There's just a lot of configuration and other settings that go with the system like libraries, registry stores, etc... Am I somehow mistaken?

SIDE NOTE: Did you mean the Steam Common directory? Yes, preserving that would reduce the amount of time to re-install titles. And segmenting it from other directories on to its own file system (e.g., G: drive or other letter, or mounting under the specific C:\ directory) has several, possible benefits too. But it still has to re-install or at least re-setup/re-configure the titles with Windows, and usually can't always be run directly.

Spoiler

This is one of the major advantages of Steam, and why I finally returned to Windows gaming in 2006. Before then, Windows gaming was a management nightmare. I'd honestly pay $100/year for a Steam "subscription," because it's an excellent "management solution" for Windows gaming. As I openly joke, I call Windows the "original OS" used for my "Steam Appliance."

Again, one can do very little in Windows about that.

Spoiler

Again, Windows is not designed to keep temporary and variable files separate and on different devices from static binaries, etc... FAT-based filesystems are also not ideal for EEPROM compared to other, generic file systems (e.g., inode-based) in other OS designs, but that's another story.

As far as tuning NT6.1+ (Windows 7+), some common recommendations ...

Spoiler

- Set 0 swap file, or at least put it on a platter (if available) if required for hibernate
- Set TMP, TEMP, etc... to point to a platter (if available), or a RAM disk
- Turn off defragmentation, disable indexing and various, others (commonly documented)
- Tune Superfetch (biggie ... very biggie in general)

More RAM, playing with Superfetch, etc... greatly helps. Tuning Superfetch can do a lot for NT6.1+ (Windows 7+) as it will keep anything read in RAM, like Linux does, and has options to pre-fetch things into RAM at boot. Although that last part is what only further increases boot-times, and NT already boots slow compared to virtually all other operating systems (sometimes an order of magnitude).

Again, Intel's Smart Response Technology (SRT) is also a major consideration if you have platter. SRT basically works with Superfetch to relocate blocks from platter to NAND so they are available for use without a platter seek. But that's really only a consideration when you have a platter, and C:\Windows and C:\Program Files on it, with a smaller NAND device like 30-60GB.

I have traditionally done the the opposite for the Windows OS.

Spoiler

- Platter for C:, including \WINDOWS and \Program Files and the infamous TMP, TEMP, etc... default locations, including under C:\Users
- Superfetch-like solution (e.g., Intel SRT) to use a 30-60GB NAND device to cache commonly used static files

Withing a few boots, Windows boots faster, along with commonly used programs, which have been also copied to the NAND device.

Although it would be interesting if one could could have a NAND Superfetch for Platter C: (\WINDOWS) and a NAND D: (\Program Files).

Spoiler

Since \Program Files is increasingly read-only, while everything else, more write-heavy (especially small files), is still on platter (with NAND Superfetch), that would go a long way.

The main problem is that Intel SRT traditionally doesn't like it if you don't use the whole NAND device. So to use a single, bigger NAND and break it up for both SRT and a separate D: is not straight-forward.

The more your RAM can cache on-disk stores, the faster it will be. However, running with your files on NAND mitigates most of the read latency if not in RAM. You'd have to test to see how much under your nominal workload.

More and more Windows programs, and especially various Visual Studio libraries, have been much better about using C:\Users for write, and the TMP or TEMP environment (usually points to a directory under \WINDOWS by default), instead of other areas.

So yes, if your \Programs Files could be on a NAND device, that would be ideal.

Whoa! Be careful with that statement.

I.e., the OS can very much leave data files in RAM, even if the application closes them. Superfetch and other things can be tuned in NT.

Spoiler

In Linux, this is actually the default, which is very, very aggressive in both buffering and caching. This has many advantages, especially getting "anything you've previously read," even if closed by the program in-between, "near-instantenous." But also causes some issues when one starts hitting large memory sizes with serious I/O going on, along with paging aspects. I kid you not, one Christmas back in 2008, I was having my (redacted) credit card declined about 25% of the time, requiring a second swipe attempt. Not even a week later, I was out in (redacted) and tuning this. A couple of simple tunings and they were processing 15x as many credit cards. And these concepts are just as valid for single-user systems, if and when read caches are dropped and write buffers are flushed.

NT is more conservative than Linux, and usually has less issues with default settings for large memory system (although NT has major issues with large memory in other areas). But one should still tune NT on single user systems to be more aggressive, at least for using RAM for read caching. With 32GiB RAM, there's no reason a 32-bit game that sucks up only 2GiB userspace can't have all, say, 20GiB of texture maps cached in memory if and when you go through them, so they are memory when you go back and it needs to reload them. Even 64-bit games can benefit as they usually don't allocate more than 4-8GiB of heap. It all depends on the title, but 32GiB of RAM can leave a lot of memory for read caching.

Which is why tuning NT to more aggressively cache reads for future reuse, especially after the game closes the file, is ideal.

Depends on the maps used in the titles. More and more development houses are getting better at using more memory for heap and leaving files loaded, so that helps. But even when the game doesn't, NT6.1+'s Superfetch can do a lot of things, when properly tuned.

Again, one must remember that RAM is used for more than just resident programs. NT is just very conservative, and favors resident programs for RAM. That's not the case with all OSes, and NT doesn't have to be left at its defaults either.

 

B.J. Have you ever seen the TV Show "Big Bang Theory" ? I'm gonna start calling you Sheldon xD

 

So are there any vendors that will have the 3k matte screen available before December? I'm fine with the 970m, but I'd prefer 3k matte. Haven't seen it yet.

 

I work in 1080p but it's mostly lossless, which is way more than 2mbps. If I'm not using that, then I use AVCHD or XVAC-S which is about 24 mbps haha, sitll way more than 2mbps.

 

Can anyone of the retailers please help me?

I am willing to buy this: Multicom Kunshan P651SG 15.6" Full-HD Matt, Intel Core i7-4710HQ, 8GB, 240GB SSD + 1TB 7200rpm, GeForce GTX 980M 4GB, Uten operativsystem, 28.8mm tynn / MULTICOM

The ETA is 20/11 but nothing is confirmed. My cousin will buy it for me BUT it has to arrive at the post-office near his house ASAP (limit date would be 08/12)

Any of you, notebook retailers, can give me solid info on how things are going regarding the SG ver. ?

Thank you.

 

Ok just had to xD

Agent smith! XD

 

I can tell from the pics that the stickers on the palmrest are going to annoy me. Is there a good way to remove them without damaging the palmrest? I think I saw somewhere that using a hot blow drier might help loosen the adhesive... I'd rather avoid using something like Goof Off unless I absolutely have to.

Anyone have any experience in removing these stickers?

 

On those i just use a needle and lift them, then pull them off.

 

So I noticed the 980m version here is listed as 25mm thickness... Will 980m version be same thickness as the 970m?

 

According to the vendor/reseller info the 980 will be 3mm thicker.

 

But that doesn't make sense... The 980m version posting says 25mm thickness!

 

It's wrong lol, but we all wish that it was somehow true.

 

The laptop not the card is what they mean.

 

Oh well, very professional work you do it seems! Well, 32 gigs it is!

But if I were you, I would first get the laptop on 16 gigs, test the performance first and only if I am not satisfied, I would go for 16 more. You are not going to lose anything except for some time to order 16GB additional modules.

 

Oh ok, thanks. Lucky you! You get to order the 1080 IPS screen. Do not see that option here in USA.

 

HyperX Impact SODIMM - 16GB Kit* (2x8GB) - DDR3L 2133MHz CL11 SODIMM
Artikelnummer: HX321LS11IB2K2/16
Techn. Daten: DDR3L, 2133MHz, CL11, 1.35V, Unbuffered, Techn. Datenblatt PDF
Timings: 2133MHz, 11-12-13, 1.35V/1.5V; 1866MHz, 10-11-12, 1.35V/1.5V; 1600MHz, 9-9-10, 1.35V/1.5V

or

G.Skill Series Ripjaws SO-DIMM
Memory Type DDR3L
Form Factor SO-DIMM
Channel Config Dual-channel
Capacity 16GB (8GBx2)
Tested Speed 2133MHz
CAS Latency 11-11-11-31
Voltage 1.35v
Heat Spreader No
Warranty Lifetime

11/12/13 (180€) with Auto-oc against 11/11/11 (165€)?

 

I'm planning on ordering this laptop soon from Xoticpc and I've got a couple questions about it. I've tried to organize these questions as logically as possible so that if you know a lot about something but not another you don't have to waste your time with all my question. And, I apologize in advance for the sheer girth of my inquiries lol, but seriously, any help at all is appreciated, as I just want to make the best decision when purchasing this laptop!

In terms of RAM
-Where exactly are the performance gains seen when getting 32gb 1866 ram vs 32gb 1600? Would it be better to get 32gb of 1600 or 16gb of 2133?
-I use a ton a ram with Adobe Premiere, sometimes up to 30gigs on my desktop, and so I would prefer getting the 32GB. Is there really a difference, say, between the 32gb 1600 generic and the 32gb 1600 Kingston hyperx?

In terms of SSDs
-Would it just be better to get some m.2 drives from Amazon and install them myself? Would it also be better to do this with the ram? And get something like 2133mhz?
-I'm kinda up in the air right now regarding storage (i.e. whether or not I want moving/mechanical parts), so does anyone have any advise?

In terms of the battery life
-I know this is unlikely, but do you think there are any 3rd party vendors selling a more capacious battery with the same form factor? (i.e. 75wh instead of 60wh)

In terms of the 1080p screen
-It's not IPS is it? I've been hearing mixed things.
-To those of you who have just received the laptop or have seen it, how matte is the matte screen? I've seen some matte finishes where you can still see reflected images (albeit still much less than glossy), especially at an angle, and I've seen other matte screens where you can't see defined edges or anything at all really on reflected images, even at an angle. The more matte the better in my opinion, but I can't seem to tell from online images.

In terms of temps
-Anyone got some real world data on the GPU and CPU temps? I don't wanna hear anything about some 3 hour Furmark test or anything haha; how about some casual gaming with Crysis 3, or Dota 2 or something, with an IC diamond or liquid ultra paste? Anyone able to test this yet?

In terms of build quality
-Any unsettling creaks or moans from the chassis? I've heard that the keyboard is pretty rock solid, which is good to hear. How is typing on it like? Of course it's not a mechanical keyboard, but does it have nice juicy clicks for a laptop? light and nimble, yet satisfying?
-How are the trackpad keys and the trackpad itself? Does it recognize complex gestures easily? Does it stumble and mess up the cursor if your thumb is just barely hanging down? Is it Elan or Synaptics drivers? How customizable are they in terms of sensitivity and custom inputs?

And finally, in terms of resellers
-What exactly does Xoticpc's "Redline Boost - Operating System" customization option do? Is it really that difficult to replicate on my own? I feel like I've done something like that on every single laptop I've ever owned, just disabling all the crap basically right?

To anyone who answers ANY of these, seriously big THANKS!!! I know there are a bunch of questions, some of which have already been answered here and there, through various sources, but it'd be nice to get some cumulative information and hands-on personal experiences/reviews. 84 pages is a lot to scan, especially when much of the dialog is so esoteric haha, so please forgive if I was unable to see that someone had already answered one of these questions, multiple times even perhaps. Nonetheless, I really appreciate any help or knowledge you guys can bestow upon me!

 

XMG P705 PRO GAMING NOTEBOOK

only german.... sorry...

 

Looks like the 17in still uses the same battery?

"4 Zellen Lithium-Ionen-Akku, 60 Wh (ca. 4-5 Stunden Laufzeit bei geringer Last)"

 

so essentially what Z97 did was adding unified driver support for window loader on PCIe ssds right? that makes me wonder what did clevo do to make that available with HM87

 

They have control over all the firmware, I believe there are ways around it for a single drive if like clevo you have control over the firmware.

 

This is what i ordered now:

XMG P705 PRO Gaming Notebook 49,3cm (17.3")
. 43,9 cm (17.3") Full-HD (1920*1080) Non-Glare
. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 4096MB GDDR5
. Intel Core i7-4710HQ - 2,50 - 3,50GHz 6MB 47W
. 4GB (1x4096) SO-DIMM DDR3 RAM 1600MHz Crucial
. no SSD
. no SSD
. 250GB SATA-III SSD Samsung 840 EVO Series (MZ-7TE250BW)
. no ext. Drive
. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 (incl. Bluetooth)
. Platinum-Garantie: 48M. Pickup&Return/Schnellreparatur | 24M. Sofort-Reparatur
. Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit german
. Office 365 30-Tage-Testversion (nur bei Bestellung und Vorinstallation von Windows 7 oder 8)
. Beleuchtete Tastatur DEUTSCH
. Metall-Gehäuse - lieferbar ab 8. Dezember 2014

(sorry for the german words but you will get the meaning)

i will change the drives : Samsung 850 Pro 1Tb + Samsung 840 Pro 512Gb from my Alienware to the XMG and the 840 evo into my alienware... ram will be selled on ebay, 32gb new ram from amazon or a shop....

Thickness of the 17inch is 30mm, weight is 3.2 Kg, comes withe th 180W PSU, Maybe i use my Alienware 240W PSU instead...

 

yea good call I'll just get the ram from amazon afterwards.

 

@pico78: ...which ull have to mod in order to fit the power connector of the P671 ooor, u could check out my FS thread in my sig, where im actually offering a 240W Dell PSU modded to fit the Clevo P150 Series, which also have the same power connector as the P6xx series

 

I'm using Dell 240w with adapter.

 

yep, thats another option of course only problem is, that adapter is not available here in germany, one has to order it from the US. at least as far as ive checked

 

what do you think of http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/763159-official-clevo-p650se-sg-p651se-sg-sager-np8651-np8652-owner-s-lounge-84.html#post9833957 ?

 

at stock u wont really notice any difference between those ram kits. i guess in the end the overclocking potential would differentiate them. no idea though if either of the two will be able to reach 2400 or even 2666 mhz, i guess that also depends on each and every kit...