*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

P650 and P670 are not gargantuan beasts from the early 2000s.

The profile, weight, and thickness is well within boundaries of slimmer system so you wont have any issues any thinner and your looking at extreme thermal problems and ultrabooks aka mostly overpriced toys.

Good luck!

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I hear you as a casual electronic music producer of 9 years. This laptop is certainly heavier than a MacBook, Windows is certainly a bit finicky with drivers and latency can be an issue to some. But trust me, when you realize that you can run multiple instances of U-He Diva, iZotope Ozone (and any other CPU heavy VSTi), and have ALL your Kontakt libraries on one computer (if you add more storage.. this thing has 4 storage slots), it is completely worth it. Also having so much connectivity allows you to connect several, if not all of your audio devices at once: USB audio interface, USD MIDI controllers, Ableton Push, etc.

 

Yes, indeed the options are all present with nvidia inspector. My questions is: why aren't these present in the latest driver from nVidia. Should I be using something more recent than 375.70?

Yes, I still have this issue. I have looked for some "advanced settings" option but I don't see it. I wonder if the driver installer has not recognized my hardware correctly or if they decided to hide certain features.

I think Witcher 3 lets you scale the HUD (there are a lot of HUD options). I also change the resolution to 1080p in the game (not at the OS level) and it looked nice and sharp (and my frame rate went up to 60). Maybe this is using the nvidia resampling technology? i.e. rendering the image at 1080p and displaying it at 4K?

 

That sounds a lot like you are in hybrid mode rather than discrete mode. Double check that that's not the case. And if it's not then reinstall nVidia Drivers making sure to select "clean install" when you do.

 

4TB on a laptop via SMR drives alone is delicious. Very worth it over a MBP especially factoring in uses for gaming and what not.

Not to mention the programs eat so much ram four slots is a godsend for expanding when needed.

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What do you mean by pesky 1535? I just ordered this laptop with that Wi-Fi card. Should I have chosen the Intel card instead?

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Just DONT install killer suite until further notice when you receive it. Its buggy

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Oh yeah, I forgot about the massive 64GB RAM you can pack into it too. That makes me wonder if there is a limit to how much actual storage it can handle. I never heard of a system not being able to handle large amounts of storage. Would this be stable if I pair two 4TB Samsung 850 EVOs and two 1TB M.2 850 EVOs? The only limitation I know of on this laptop is that if you choose a PCIe M.2 drive, you can only use that one M.2 slot.

 

2nd just needs to be sata both will still work as will all the storage because its down to OS and format limitations

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Just the drivers?

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Hey, folks!

I decided to give an update to my review on the P650RS-G and my impressions, after all the issues I found with power and voltage. Overall, I'm very satisfied with my notebook. The more I use it and the more I play games on it, my impressions get better.

As I said in a previous post, I found out that the power and voltage issues are, in fact, related to CPU bottlenecking. After testing over and over, I noticed that all the problems were happening in CPU-intensive games and that I should accept the performance of the 6700HQ is somewhat the same of a 6600K (although better in games that use multiple cores and threads more efficiently).

Playing heavier games in 60+ FPS, such as Witcher 3 and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is excellent in Highest/High settings in 1080p and many others, such as GTA V, Gears of War 4, Fallout 4, in Highest settings in downsampled 1440p is awesome and that is what I believe is the main objective of this notebook. Also, at least for now, G-Sync is not quite useful (for me at least), but I believe that, as games get more and more GPU demanding, it will be a must for those who own a 1070.

 

I think you may be right - I'm not in front of the system now but I don't recall the discrete mode LED being on.

FWIW, MSHYBRID seems to work pretty well, but I am curious to see if I can unlock more of the 1070's potential in discrete mode.

 

The impact of optimus is pretty low on the actual FPS, but you do get a lot more screen options in dedicated mode as the nvidia GPU is controlling the output in that case.

 

Yep pretty much... It freaks out a lot otherwise for most.

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Got it! For some older games maybe they don't play as well without direct tweaking?

I guess with inspector I could still hack settings, though I would have to change manually for different games.

 

Anyone tried the new bios that got uploaded a few days ago? https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/

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Mostly it does just work, if you hit into something specific you can switch. However it is intended to be used in dedicated mode when on your desk at home.

 

Hi,
First of all, I read a major part of the posts about P650RS
I just bought from PC Specialist (england reseller) a Defiance III 15" with GTX 1070 (Clevo P650RS) and I have some questions about something I do not understand well with this brand : BIOS, EC, vBIOS
I went through a lot of clevo reseller website in order to download new BIOS files. What I realise is there are a lot of BIOS files, always different from a reseller to another reseller. I mean, I went though XMG, Obsidian, PCW website (not an official french reseller) and they all have their own BIOS files. So, those are my questions :
1) Which BIOS version is the good one ? Which EC version ? Which vBIOS version if applicabe ?
2) I see there are some BIOS like 1.05.04 and some like 1.05.03TR. What are the differences ?
3) It seems that the method for flashing the BIOS can be different, depending on which BIOS file you choose. Is this normal ? What is the classic method to update the BIOS ?
4) I do not see any vBios files. Is it normal ?
5) Even if it is not an XMG laptop (it is an exemple), can I flash my laptop with their BIOS files ?
Thanks in advance and forgive all the text mistakes, I am french. And like a lot of french, I am not so good in english

 

I think 1.05.0 3tr is mislabeled as a bios. Im pretty sure that's the EC from the readme and change log.

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@Meaker@Sager I've heard other opinions on this and I wanted to get yours. Should we be trying to use CCC (Clevo Control Center)? I am tempted to give it one more try since it does offer some useful functionality. I was able to backout the last time I installed it, so I figure I could (worst case) uninstall Intel XTU right right afterwords.

Or maybe in your opinion XTU should not cause problems for us? I didn't play with it much. I think I switched to performance mode in CCC and my system crashed while playing Witcher 3. I took this to be due to overheating and a bad fan profile. Any thoughts you have on this would be great.

 

Some of us did. Not good EC some think, me included. I flashed the new 1.05.05 BIOS and 1.05.06TR2 EC. Bios I really haven't check if it fixed the external monitor. EC is choppy. Silent and lets the system heat up to 80C and then fans kick in (maybe 80% of max) until it decrease to 70C where it becomes silent again. Similar to when I first got this unit. Overclock seems nice and keeps system cool and somewhat not that loud.

 

Alright I'll probably just do the bios then. I havent had external monitor problems on my 1070 model for awhile not since last bios.

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We had the P650RP6 model which haven't received the external monitor bug last bios 1.05.03. Your model and others had for a while now with your bios 1.05.04. The EC I'm not sure if it is really buggy or just because of XTU and CCC.

 

My personal rig has had nothing like the issues that others have had so it's hard to say, I would take an image of your current setup and see.

 

Just in case someone knows: for those who took their p650rs' apart, have you tried replacing the thermal pads? If so, what the the size and thickness required for good coverage? Planning to replace the stock ones with fujipoly ones, for peace of mind

 

Same Questions

 

I have the same questions too, new P650RP6-G user here, would like to know more about what is the different? Mine bought at http://www.illegear.com/

 

Clevo has updated their drivers again, at least for P65xRP6. Notably Nvidia driver to 369.56 and CCC to .98. Same crappy servers.

 

Pesky in the sense that it is a hit or miss for everyone. It didn't work for me at all. It will drop connections every 5 minutes. I RMAed it and got it replaced on a one to one basis and it still doesn't work. I had to settle for an Intel 8260 replacement.

Intel 8260 is more stable.

 

Guys, CCC does not destroy any fan tables. Either you have a working EC or not. Dont touch the latest XMG EC. It messes up the Fan profiles.
Right now there is no EC around that has perfect fan tables but the XMG EC in their Archive is ok for now.

Regarding CCC: install the latest Version, boot up in safe mode and delete the XTU Folder - done. Not because it ****s up your fans but because its bugged **** and not recommended for undervolting.
Use thottlestop for that.

Edit: and for everyone who is wondering about crashes. you might have done too much of undervolting. simple as that.

 

I've read on the forums that taking out the software suite that comes with the killer card solves a lot of the issues. Just use the bare driver. Strange that a lot of people have the killer wifi card issue. My friend's 650RS had very good runs with it


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Its the same all round. Illegear is basically a reseller who puts their own branding on the clevo chassis. All BIOS and EC updates should work fine on yours.


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Thank you for this! That makes total sense - I was thinking that removing XTU should be all that matters.

 

It would be great if someone, who already has a P65XRS-G/RP6-G and already test several BIOS/EC, can post his best BIOS/EC files which work fine with all the P65RS-G/RP6-G laptop
I will thank him a lot. Even kiss him

 

And also the tuto to update ?
Another question, when go to xmg download section, I see that the last BIOS update is 1.05.04. But I do not see any EC update inside
Do I have to use another file for EC update ?

 

Thanks for this. I'm using XTU for undervolt but haven't encountered any problem. But will remove and try out Throttlestop. What about the XTU service with the CCC, is it ok? Also if I use Throttlestop, do I have to keep it open (or minimize to notification bar) to keep the undervolt and other changes? Thanks once again!

 

You dont need the XTU stuff that installs with CCC at all, thats why i wrote "boot up in safe mode and delete the XTU Folder"
also uninstall your manually installed XTU of course (First).

yes, throttlestop should show up in the notification area. just select the Options start with Windows and start minimized to not get bothered from it.
im still experimenting with it but i can undervolt even further, compared to XTU.

 

Which folder? C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility? I don't have XTU, but this folder was installed by CCC and also see working XTU services.

 

Yes, exactly!

 

Rip off these services also?

 

I've been following this thread since its inception, from my early interest in 650RS laptop to in-depth use, I would say that 650RS is a solid laptop. you will never get such specs for 1.5k. Everything is just flawless - performance-wise, built quality, everything, POWER is just amazing.

Finger print
Finger print scanner was a must for me, in my dv6-7000 I've had it since 2012 and cannot imagine entering passwords manually, here in 650rs works just fine (the only problem is poor windows UI (its absence) on my HP dv6 there was an app with all 10 fingers visualized and you could assign/enroll each finger and never get lost, here its only poor ADD another finger. THATs it=). there is a small annoying gap right above scanner and whenever you swipe, you leave your "fat and sweat". Tooth pick fixes that=)

Light bleed
I donno, you can only see it in a pitch black background, like stripes while watching the movie, if you are not watching movie but looking at those stripes, however you won't notice it while gaming, using windows, browsing the web etc. BTW, if someone is too worried. My wife's got Yoga 2 pro, ultra thin laptop, and its 3k IPS, and her light bleed is much worse than mine. she has small bleed all over the rectangular edge of the screen. I've got small bleed right bottom corner which dissapears when I stick my nail there and prying the frame a bit from the screen. so this problem is sooo minor that it shouldn't be your decision making point. I bet most laptops with IPS have some sort of yellow light bleed. screen is very beautiful though. coming from 720p TN=)

G-sync
Since G sync is bugged and just doesn't work out of the box, i don't want to waste time on that, for me MS hybrid mode is perfect, nvidia GPU is "sleeping" until u really need it, I like to watch movies on my bed and browse with no wires, thus battery life is important (sorry discrete mode). in terms of gaming everything just buttery smooth for my subjective "unprofessional" view. Coming from gt 650m 2gb, 40+ fps is just unbelievable. and any game

CONS
The only real CON, is the sound, again coming from Dv6 with Beats audio, I've had small sub-woofer in the bottom which made such a great difference for laptop audio, here you WON'T find ANY Bass. but on the other side - headphones audio is rich and very competitive.
If you have any further questions I'm happy to answer.

Windows 10
As for people may be wondering in terms of windows 10, I got my laptop with no windows, but ensured that I've linked my windows 10 copy with my MS account. and took picture of windows 7 key from my HP dv6. and just logged in with my MS account with digital serial of windows and then entered my win 7 key from the bottom of my HP dv6 and viola, I've got win 10 for free on my new laptop which saved me 70 bucks=)

PS
New versions of CCC (Control Center AP (5.0001.0.98) for Windows 10 64-bit.) and XB5 (
SBX-Fi MB5 AP (1.01.21) for Windows 10 64-bit.
) are up on clevo=)

 

And now to the questions. There are two things that are bothering me:

1) can anyone clarify the presence of simcard slot on 650RS, and how to make it work? everything else worked pretty well by default windows update drivers. How to make simcard slot work, didn't find any drivers on clevo, or sagernotebook.

2) sometimes i get freezes for a second or so, while navigating through windows? does anyone have the same problem?

 

Boot up into save mode an kill that Folder = ripping up the Service ;p

 

Look into logs and if you have storahci errors, then you have reason of your freezes.

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I can't answer the second question, but for the sim card:
You need to have a Qualcomm 3G/4G M.2 Module in place of your Intel AC / Killer Wireless network card. Insert the SIM, and it will use your data as an internet connection. I believe all P650RS models come equipped with a functional sim card slot, unlike the previous gen P650SGs, where 99% of the time the sim card slot was there but no hardware underneath.

 

Has anyone successfully found a replacement panel for the 15" RP6-G?
I love the color reproduction but I can't handle the very slow response times much longer... wouldn't mind too much losing gsync too if it meant a higher refresh/ lower response time panel

 

Haven't had a single problem out of my killer card. Had to update drivers once and I have had the suite installed since 9/5 when I got my machine.

 

already said it is a hit and miss for everyone. some people have problems with it even after updating drivers without suite and others might not have problems. it depends on your luck i guess.

 

So has a newer BIOS fixed the external display problems once and for all? Which companies have released good ones?

 

The latest XMG BIOS does not fix flexicharger nor the Display bug for me. I think it would be mentioned in the *.txt if that would be the case anyway