*** Official Clevo P650RG, P650RE3, P650RE6/Sager NP8658 and NP8657 Owner's Lounge ***

Welcome Current & Future Owners of
Clevo P650RG (Sager NP8658-S)
Clevo P650RE3 (Sager NP8657-S)
Clevo P650RE6 (XMG P506)

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=P650RG=

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Spoiler: Specifications P650RG

Processor

• 6th Generation Skylake Intel Core i7-6700HQ Processor (2.70GHz, 3.50GHZ Turbo), 6MB L3 Cache
• 6th Generation Skylake Intel Core i7-6820HK Processor (2.70GHz, 3.60GHZ Turbo), 8MB L3 Cache

Core Logic

• Intel 100 Series Chipset

Memory

• Supports Dual Channel DDR4
• Four 260Pin SODIMM sockets, support for DDR4 2133MHz* (Real operation frequency depends on FSB of processor)
• Expandable up to 64GB, depends on 4GB/8GB/16GB SODIMM module (32 bit OS editons have a memory limitation of 2.8GB.
• Other hardware or application limitations may further prevent use of all installed memory. Windows 7 64bit
• is required for memory configurations of 4GB and above.)

Display

• 15.6" IPS Full HD (1920x1080) LED-Backlit Display with Matte Finished Surface
• 15.6" 4K Samsung PLS QFHD (3840x2160) Wide Viewing Angle LED-Backlit Display with Super Clear Matte Type Screen
• 15.6" 4K Sharp IGZO QFHD (3840x2160) Wide Viewing Angle LED-Backlit Display with Super Clear Matte Type Screen

Graphics Processor

• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 8GB GDDR5 VRAM
• G-Sync Technology (75Hz display)
• Intel 530 HD Graphics
• Intel Dynamic Video Memory Technology supporting shared memory up to 1.7GB
• 4K Support At 60HZ
• HDMI 2.0
• Intel Quick Sync Video
• Microsoft DirectX 12 compatible
• Intel Clear Video HD Technology
• Intel HD Graphics
• NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
• Support PCIe x16
• MXM3.0 Type B
• Microsoft DirectX 12 compatible
• nVIDIA PhysX Technology
• nVIDIA CUDA Technology
• NVIDIA MFAA Technology
• NVIDIA PureVideo HD Technology

Storage

• Two changeable 2.5" 7mm(H) HDD/SSD (RAID 0/1 support), or One changeable 2.5" 9.5mm(H) HDD/SSD, SATA interface
• Two M.2 2280 SSD (RAID 0/1 support), SATA interface or One M.2 2280 SSD, PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface

Physical Characteristics

• 2.49 kg / 5.5 lbs with Battery Pack
• 38.5 cm / 15.16" (w) x 27.1 cm / 10.67" (d) x 2.87cm / 1.13" (h)

Audio System

• High Definition audio interface
• S/PDIF Digital output
• Built-in Array Microphone
• 2 Built-in 2W Onkyo Speakers
• External 5.1CH audio output supported by headphone, microphone, and S/PDIF jack
• Sound Blaster X-FI MB 3
• ANSP 3D sound technology on headphone output

Pointing Device

• Integrated Touchpad with Multi-gesture and Scrolling function

Keyboard

• Full sized white-LED illuminated keyboard with numeric pad
• Fully programmable macro capability - customize individual key as hot key / multiple keystrokes in one key
• W/A/S/D gaming key

I/O Ports

• 1 HDMI 2.0 output Port (with HDCP)
• 2 Mini DisplayPort 1.2 output Ports
• 4 USB 3.0 Ports (One powered USB port, AC/DC)
• 1 Headphone Jack
• 1 Microphone Jack
• 1 S/PDIF output Jack
• 1 RJ-45 LAN (10/100/1000Mbps)

Slots

• 6-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini-SD/SDHC/SDXC)
• Three M.2 Card Slots

- 1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIe and USB interface
- 2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface
- 3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA interface​

Communication

• Built-in Gigabit Ethernet LAN
• Integrated 802.11 b/g/n wireless LAN + Bluetooth V4.0 + LE Combo M.2 2230 Card module or
• Intel Wireless-N 7265AC, 2x2 BGN +BT V4.0 M.2 2230 (2nd Generation) or
• Intel Wireless-N 8260AC, 2x2 BGN +BT V4.2 M.2 2230 (3rd Generation) or
• Killer Dual Band Wireless-AC 1525, 2x2 AC + BT M.2 1630 Card modules
• Killer Dual Band Wireless-AC 1535, 2x2 AC + BT M.2 1630 Card modules

Security

• Kensington Lock
• Integrated Fingerprint Reader

Power System

• Embedded 4 cell Polymer battery pack 60Wh
• Full Range 200W AC Adapter AC-in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 19V, 10.5A

Other Features

• All Alloy Construction
• Built-in 2.0M FHD Video Camera
• Intel Rapid Start Technology
• Intel Smart Response Technology

=P650RE3 / P650RE6=

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Spoiler: Specifications P650RE3 / P650RE6

Processor

• 6th Generation Skylake Intel Core i7-6700HQ Processor (2.70GHz, 3.50GHZ Turbo), 6MB L3 Cache
• 6th Generation Skylake Intel Core i7-6820HK Processor (2.70GHz, 3.60GHZ Turbo), 8MB L3 Cache

Core Logic

• Intel 100 Series Chipset

Memory

• Supports Dual Channel DDR4
• Four 260Pin SODIMM sockets, support for DDR4 2133MHz* (Real operation frequency depends on FSB of processor)
• Expandable up to 64GB, depends on 4GB/8GB/16GB SODIMM module (32 bit OS editons have a memory limitation of 2.8GB.
• Other hardware or application limitations may further prevent use of all installed memory. Windows 7 64bit
• is required for memory configurations of 4GB and above.)

Display

• 15.6" IPS Full HD (1920x1080) LED-Backlit Display with Matte Finished Surface
• 15.6" 4K Samsung PLS QFHD (3840x2160) Wide Viewing Angle LED-Backlit Display with Super Clear Matte Type Screen
• 15.6" 4K Sharp IGZO QFHD (3840x2160) Wide Viewing Angle LED-Backlit Display with Super Clear Matte Type Screen

Graphics Processor

• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 3GB GDDR5 VRAM (P650RE3) / GTX 970M 6GB GDDR5 VRAM (P650RE6)
• Switchable GPU by NVIDIA Optimus Technology
• Intel 530 HD Graphics
• Intel Dynamic Video Memory Technology supporting shared memory up to 1.7GB
• 4K Support At 60HZ
• HDMI 2.0
• Intel Quick Sync Video
• Microsoft DirectX 12 compatible
• Intel Clear Video HD Technology
• Intel HD Graphics
• NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
• Support PCIe x16
• MXM3.0 Type B
• Microsoft DirectX 12 compatible
• nVIDIA PhysX Technology
• nVIDIA CUDA Technology
• NVIDIA MFAA Technology
• NVIDIA PureVideo HD Technology

Storage

• Two changeable 2.5" 7mm(H) HDD/SSD (RAID 0/1 support), or One changeable 2.5" 9.5mm(H) HDD/SSD, SATA interface
• Two M.2 2280 SSD (RAID 0/1 support), SATA interface or One M.2 2280 SSD, PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface

Audio System

• High Definition audio interface
• S/PDIF Digital output
• Built-in Array Microphone
• 2 Built-in 2W Onkyo Speakers
• External 5.1CH audio output supported by headphone, microphone, and S/PDIF jack
• Sound Blaster X-FI MB 3
• ANSP 3D sound technology on headphone output

Pointing Device

• Integrated Touchpad with Multi-gesture and Scrolling function

Keyboard

• Full sized white-LED illuminated keyboard with numeric pad
• Fully programmable macro capability - customize individual key as hot key / multiple keystrokes in one key
• W/A/S/D gaming key

I/O Ports

• 1 HDMI 2.0 output Port (with HDCP)
• 2 Mini DisplayPort 1.2 output Ports
• 4 USB 3.0 Ports (One powered USB port, AC/DC)
• 1 Headphone Jack
• 1 Microphone Jack
• 1 S/PDIF output Jack
• 1 RJ-45 LAN (10/100/1000Mbps)

Slots

• 6-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini-SD/SDHC/SDXC)
• Three M.2 Card Slots

- 1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIe and USB interface
- 2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface
- 3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA interface​

Communication

• Built-in Gigabit Ethernet LAN
• Integrated 802.11 b/g/n wireless LAN + Bluetooth V4.0 + LE Combo M.2 2230 Card module or
• Intel Wireless-N 7265AC, 2x2 BGN +BT V4.0 M.2 2230 (2nd Generation) or
• Intel Wireless-N 8260AC, 2x2 BGN +BT V4.2 M.2 2230 (3rd Generation) or
• Killer Dual Band Wireless-AC 1525, 2x2 AC + BT M.2 1630 Card modules
• Killer Dual Band Wireless-AC 1535, 2x2 AC + BT M.2 1630 Card modules

Security

• Kensington Lock
• Integrated Fingerprint Reader

Power System

• Embedded 4 cell Polymer battery pack 60Wh
• Full Range AC-in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, 180W AC Adapter, DC output 19.5V, 9.23A or 19V, 9.5A

Physical Characteristics

• 2.49Kg with Battery Pack
• 38.5 cm (w) x 27.1 cm (d) x 2.5cm (h)

Other Features

• All Alloy Construction
• Built-in 2.0M FHD Video Camera
• Intel Rapid Start Technology
• Intel Smart Response Technology

Downloads:

Bios

Drivers

Firmware

Utilities

Manual
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Where to buy:


Reviews:
1. Notebookcheck.net (XMG P506 / Clevo P651RE6 )

Videos:


Benchmarks:
@Allan23 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6327491

Guides:

 

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good job buddy btw, thread title should be changed to RG instead of SG

 

Doh!

Thanks jaybee

 

Thanks for making this thread!

I'm looking to get back into PC gaming after several years on the console side, and I'm trying to figure out these new Clevo models.

It looks like Sager is selling its new NP8658 built off of the P650RG (per Xotic PC: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8658-clevo-p650rg-p-8654.html), but I don't see the P650RG anywhere on Clevo's website ( http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=806&lang=en). The specs user moviemarketing listed for the SG seem to match the 8658 though.

Xotic PC also says that the 8657 is built off of the P650RE3 ( http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8657s-clevo-p650re3-p-8678.html), but user jaybee only mentioned that he thought the P650RG needed to be fixed in the thread title.

Per Xotic, the dimensions of the 2 Clevos differs only in height (P650RE3 is .98", P650RG is 1.13"). I'm also seeing P650RG on other websites when I google it so I'm having trouble figuring things out. Can anyone clear the difference up between the P650RG and SG? Is Sager's new NP8658 actually built from the P650SG?

Any insight would be really helpful. Thank you!

edit: I mis-read jaybee's post, and thought he said the thread title should've been SG instead of RG..

 

@Allan23 Yes, Sager NP8658 is the P650RG, and NP8657 is the P650RE3. The P650SG is the older Haswell version (max 32GB DDR3 RAM) of the P650RG, which uses Skylake processor (max 64GB DDR4 RAM)

So far I've only seen P650RE6 for sale in Europe and Asia, so perhaps Sager will use a different model number for this one if/when they release it.

According to Power Notebooks and XoticPC, we may need to wait a while before P650RE6 is available in the US:

 

Subbed! Pre-ordered the P650RG, which may even already be in production!!

 

I've noticed that Clevo hasn't updated their site with all the newer models as of yet. Hopefully we will see that updated shortly, as they only have the skylake versions of the P75x and P77x models up now (since they were released earlier, I'm assuming). But these models should be shipping out very soon it looks like.

 

funny how clevo released the first gen P6 with haswell many months before the P7 and now with skylake it was just the other way round! makes u wonder why that is

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Hey guys, so I'm looking at getting the Sager NP8658-S. Swapping it for my Aorus X5 becuase it just looks too damn fancy.
I'm not bothered about sound quality because I'll either be using a headset or speakers, but I was wondering about heating issues as I don't usually use a laptop cooler or anything.
Another thing I was wondering about is the upgradability of the laptop? As Clevo is a barebones case, am I going to be able to upgrade it easily? Not too much of a problem if not as I think it's relatively future proof as it is, just a happy thought

Cheers

 

They had to redo the whole thing because Intel was changing their roadmaps all the time...that's why we got that "1000" units batch of P6xxSx-A with Broadwell CPU before these Skylake models hit, as the original plan was Broadwell all the way.

 

there were P6 units with broadwell cpus? huh....

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/i7-5700-hq-issues.782225/

 

u learn smth new every day

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There weren't that many models with broadwell. Sager had some that shipped out briefly in that window between haswell and skylake models.

 

The 8658-s has dual fans so the cooling is fairly good on it. Not gonna be quite as slick as the Aorus, however likely it would run cooler as it has a thicker frame, Aorus can tend to run a little hotter. The best part about sager/clevo is the upgradeability of the machines. They are very simple to open up and get at the main components you need.

HTwingnut has a great review of the 8652, which is essentially the same as the 8658, with haswell instead of skylake. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...l-impressions-and-review-by-htwingnut.767349/

 

Thanks for opening this owner's lounge! To add to the high res pictures...

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Thanks @Larry@LPC-Digital !

Can you clarify which photo is which model? They look so similar, it's hard to tell, but P650RG should be a little bulkier.

 

The p650re and p650rg are not mxm 3.0b right?

 

i like that copper shining through the fan exhaust grills

nope, they sport both soldered GPU and CPU

 

I agree it looks cool . I haven't looked into it but I'm guessing an mxm slot takes a decent amount more space than soldering it right?

 

yep, thats correct and exactly the reason why manufacturers are going the soldered route, since most customers aim for thin gaming machines...

 

On the bright side the RG and RE models work with both the 6700HQ and 6820HK

 

They could be reusing the SG/SE/SA glamour shots and we would be none the wiser

 

Anyone know if all three models are compatible with HDMI 2.0a? I've seen conflicting info on the reseller websites.

 

They are HDMI 1.4a.

 

Even on the G-Sync SKUs?

GTX 900M is HDMI 2.0 though.

 

the ZMs were also said to be 1.4a,but users already successfully ran external displays at 4K60, so yeah....2.0 after all

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Was that normal or with chroma subsampling?

 

good question, no details were given as to chroma settings

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Probably worth noting that NV cards could push 4K60 on 1.4a by defaulting to 4/2/0 colour mode. They were also helped by being directly connected to the NV GPU whereas the regular P650RE/RG are still Optimus (Intel GPU connected).

Which brings me to: Is is worth listing the G-Sync models separately?

My understanding from Prema is that the G-Sync models will use a mux chip ("Gear Display"..shiny) and would therefore running a different motherboard to the regular P650 Optimus versions.
Could clear up some confusion as some may get the impression that they can put a G-Sync display into a regular P650RG later on.

The first post may need some other tweaks. The P650RG description implies that all RG models are G-Sync which they aren't, as well as implying that all screen models are available.

 

The "Gear Display" switch is in all versions AFAIK. The DP and HDMI are directly connected to the Nvidia GPU, the internal panel can be switched between iGPU and dGPU.

The official specification of the P6xxRx models does not specifically say that the HDMI output is v2.0, however it does confirm HDMI 2.0 4K60Hz support.

 

what chipset do those models use? some seller list the Intel® Z170 Express Chipset while others list Intel® HM170 Express Chipset

 

The latter. These do not use desktop CPUs.

 

Would have been the perfect machine for me had intel added vt-d on HM170

 

They kept that to their CMS236 chipset along with PCI-E raid because, well, that's Intel really.

 

The spec sheet in OP lists Optimus. If you think about it, it's not possible to have the MUX chip available and active on all motherboards as the entire purpose was to have the NV GPU communicate directly with the display TCon when required.

I'm working off the Metabox list (OZ reseller which lists the P670RG and P670RG-G). Most notably, they're listed as separate models and not an upgrade option. The P670RG-G is also not available with a i7-6820HK option which would imply (to me) that the motherboard is at least different enough that they aren't entirely interchangeable between G-Sync and non-G-sync.

The 4K60hz spec doesn't refer to HDMI. It's more likely referring to the internal LCD or the mini DisplayPorts. The same spec was listed on the older P650SE/SG as well.

 

The 6820HK and 6700HQ are pin compatible.

 

They're BGA (soldered). I'm assuming that each reseller/builder has to order sufficient quantities of both motherboards, pre-built directly from Clevo.

When someone picks the CPU upgrade, in reality the entire motherboard is being changed.

 

Yes this is true, but if you have a design for one you have a design for the other pretty much. As for the exact electrical setup of each type it may take some time and analysis to be 100% sure.

 

Has there been any rumor about the P650RE6 actually being released in the US at some point? It's the only thing preventing me from pulling the trigger on the P650RE3

 

Definitley MUX in all versions, GSync or no GSync - I'm refering to spec sheets and data which isn't publically available which expands on the spec sheet in the OP. The 4K60Hz also definitely refers to the external HDMI output, it's listed in the white paper that I have for the model

Just to confirm this, it is HDMI 2.0

 

mux all around, loving it! note to clevo: please include mux in all future machines

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So since this does have MUX , is the battery life rating of 180 minutes using the dGPU or iGPU?

 

id say thats with the dgpu. based on the fact that i can already get around 3 hours on my machine without optimus/mux

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That's what I was thinking as well since all of the other dGPU based systems like the P870DM is also rated at 180 minutes, although they have bigger batteries.

So I'm guessing we'd get around 5-6 hours then on the iGPU. That's pretty good for what it is.

 

Haha, love the pictures of the US version. The chrome outline always cracks me up

 

Does this have the typec/3.1/ tb port?

 

XMG has shared some additional details on the availability and pricing difference for P650RE3 and P650RE6:

 

nope, only the P7 and P8 series sport that combo-port