*** Official Clevo P640RE/Sager NP8640 Owner's Lounge ***

Anyone who hasn't lived in 36°C weather plus 100% humidity doesn't know what 'heat' is. The i7-4710MQ in my W230SS should typically idle at about 38-45°C. Here, idle temperatures are nothing below 48°. Unless I switch on the air-con, then temps go down.

45-55°C on a laptop surface isn't blistering hot. It's about the temperature of warm shower water, and Clevo surfaces never exceed that temperature because the heatsinks are excellent at containing and radiating heat only where it needs to go. I've run Prime95 (8 workers) plus Furmark (not a good idea, I know) on my OCed laptop. The chips got really hot (99°C on CPU and 75°C on GPU), but the overall surface was still fairly comfortable to type on and touch. It felt warm, not hot. The only truly hot area was the left side of the laptop where the heatsink and fan are.

 

Ehehehehehe...36 degrees. What a dream.

Regularly see forcasts of ~40 where I am in the middle of summer (Australia). Last summer I was over on the west coast and it pulled a 49

There is in fact a point, somewhere around 42 degrees, where turning on a computer without air conditioning is sheer lunacy. I had to actively run my W230SS on maximum fans while doing simple browsing and such so the poor thing wouldn't cook.

 

Yeah, but Australia is dry. Singapore has near 100% humidity most of the time, and it ends up feeling like 40+°C weather anyway. The worst thing is, due to the high humidity, the nights are equally as hot as the days.

You can feel the humidity here - it literally weighs on you, and by the time you're done with some simple grocery shopping, all you want to do is to get home as quickly as possible because of all the sweat (which doesn't evaporate either) and run the air-con at full blast. Oh, but then you'd get a head-cold and pneumonia.

People use that trick here to escape 24-km platoon hikes during their conscripted military service, and end up in the hospital.

 

I can attest to the humidity factor being awful. I've lived in places where it would be really hot and dry in the daytime; it wasn't pleasant, but it didn't stop my friends and I from having conversations under the heat (most of the time; once it started getting up to like 45 C this doesn't really apply). However, at night, which was when we'd walk to the gym, even though it was less hot, the high humidity made it much worse. If we arrived home damp from sweat, it wouldn't be from the gym.

 

Well here in the UK it's just miserable all the time

 

Oh, I wouldn't say I was miserable. I've lived in some of the hottest and some of the coldest countries on Earth. Luckily for me though, nearly all of them have been first-world, so I was almost never far from an AC/heater.

Almost.

 

Any new updates? Looking to upgrade from W230SS!

 

No updates yet.

 

Thinking pretty hard about buying this guy. The W230SS was pretty hot from the notebookcheck review. But I think Clevo can get this right with the Skylake and GTX970 thermal improvements. Its also in a bigger chassis (14"). What is the estimated time of release for the P640RE?

 

The W230SS suffered because it had a shared single fan setup for both CPU and GPU. The CPU being Haswell didn't help at all as it would often cause the GPU to heat up further simply due to proximity and shared cooling.

Hopefully the P640RE is a bit more like it's larger cousins and uses separate coolers for CPU and GPU.

 

My W230SS ran a bit hotter than I would've liked during gaming, but it was very sufficient IMO. Only reason I would like to upgrade is for a stronger GPU.

I sold my desktop and only use the W230SS right now, and a bigger screen would be highly welcomed. I loved my P650SE when I had it, but it was too bulky to carry around consistently.

EDIT: Another laptop that I've just stumbled back upon is the new Dell XPS 15 9550. Similar footprint to the P640RE (despite being 15.6"), thinner, and decent specs. About $1175 USD for the FHD, i5-6300HQ, 8GB, 960M model, before Dell coupons. I really liked the build quality on the smaller Dell XPS 13 2015, so the XPS 15 will probably be the same. The pricing on the P640RE will probably be much more competitive though and be better for a gamer with the 970M.

 

That's entirely a matter of opinion. Having used machines that had actual, good cooling, I can say that surface temps in excess of 36C are just not tolerable for typing - for me anyway. Since I know there's better out there, I don't settle for less. And for the record, 55C is hot, not warm. As far as surface temps go, anyway.

Not to mention the fact you live in such a hot and humid place probably skews your definition of "comfortable to type on".

But that's just me. To each his own.

If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck, I call it a duck. Hot surface temps are hot.

Not to mention most professional review sites deem anything above 50C to be too hot to use comfortably, and I agree with them.

 

It's also worth noting, that a LARGE part of surface temperature readings that most reviews ignore, is how conductive the material is.

For example, a plastic palm rest can have a surface temperature of 50C and not feel terribly warm because that heat doesn't transmit through the plastic as quickly.
On the other hand, an Aluminium palm rest at 50C will FEEL significantly hotter as the heat will transmit far more readily (there's a reason aluminium is used for heatsinks).

Since the P640RE is going to presumably use a similar aluminium construction to it's larger cousins, it will become more important to keep those surface temperatures down.

 

I wonder if the P640RE will take out some potential sales from the P650RE/RGs since the specs are almost identical.

 

Definitely will take some sales off the P650RE3/RE6. Not so much on the RG because those who would pay extra for the 980 would also be fine with extra weight.

For a portable laptop, the 640 seems to be underpowered in battery. At 45Whr, its 20% less than the 13.3" W230ST and 25% less than the 61Whr Gigabyte's P34Wv3. I'm thinking 5 Hrs browsing 1.5hrs gaming. Will get pretty annoying.

 

True, materials that transmit heat less effectively will result in a much more comfortable experience.

I'm pretty sure the palm rests are just covered in aluminum no? Like a thin metal sheet glued on top of a plastic chassis?

 

Something had to be sacrificed in order to get a Core i7 + 970M in there as well as the appropriate cooling hardware.

A machine this size is all about compromise - you can't have your cake and eat it too. It just depends on what you're willing to sacrifice/compromise.

 

Yes it's a lot easier to squeeze in a large battery when you don't have to pack so much copper and PCB in there

 

best combo would be tons of copper, powerful gpu/cpu, muxed switchable graphics and a battery that can be used as a "laptop stand" at an angle. that way u bet best of both worlds (performance and loooong battery life)

 

You're looking for the wrong laptop, then... The P650/P750 series has got powerful CPUs and GPUs. I don't want a 4 kg ultra-dense monster. I sincerely hope the P640RE is 2 kg or less.

Tons of copper? No thanks. I'll gladly swap out the 970M for a 965M and the 6820HK for a 6700HQ if it means I get less copper and less weight, as well as a smaller chassis. As @Ramzay says, sacrifices have to be made. I'm a hard-core mid-ranger, I typically buy games that are a few years old and they run excellent on mid-range hardware.

I take size and battery life fairly more seriously than those who use desktop replacements. Not that I want a MacBook Pro, but I feel that in general, the smaller a laptop, the longer its battery life ought to be.

Furthermore, I'm surprised Clevo isn't waiting for Pascal, which would most likely be demo-ed next year, some time in March.

 

the desktop chips will be demoed, but i think well have to wait some more time (like until summer or fall next year) for mobile chips to become available.

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The 965M still needs a fair lick of power to keep it going, it's not massively less than the 970M being the same core.

 

From now i will always check this site first! They are so fast on spec and photos.. I really think this is the best looking Clevo machine thus far!

http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632418

http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632419

i7-6820HK: http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632420

At least aluminium lid cover, probably base too, i'm really mazed by this one.

And two rear exhaust! Hopefully NO side fan!

 

Multicom Norway seems to have added the little beast to their catalog, and I must say, it rocks! So it looks like the P640RE has finally been leaked? Or is it official? Not sure, but it's truly a little beast! Got the looks and got the hardware to back it up!






So far there are 3 optional configurations:

Multicom Kunshan P640R Killer Edition

• 6. gen. Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ-prosessor
• 8GB DDR4 RAM
• 256GB PCIe SSD + 1TB HDD
• GeForce GTX 970M 6GB (Maxwell)
• Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 med ExtremeRange™

Multicom Kunshan P640R Killer Edition

• 6. gen. Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ-prosessor
• 16GB DDR4 RAM
• 512GB PCIe SSD + 1TB HDD
• GeForce GTX 970M 6GB (Maxwell)
• Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 med ExtremeRange™

Multicom Kunshan P640R Killer Edition

• 6. gen. Intel® Core™ i7-6820HK-prosessor
• 32GB DDR4 RAM
• 512GB PCIe SSD + 1TB HDD
• GeForce GTX 970M 6GB (Maxwell)
• Killer™ Wireless-AC 1535 med ExtremeRange™

So it has all the bells and whistles - i7-6820HK, up to 32GB ram, up to PCIe SSD + 2.5" HDD/SSD, and (surprisigly) a 6GB 970M! I guess @Prema would be surprised also, given I got the reply it will be only 3GB from the magical phoenix itself. I guess it's safe to say, that for a little 14", this little guy will kick some serious ass!

P.S. Here are the links to the retailer:
http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632418
http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632419
http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p640r-killer-edition-14/cat-p/c1000042/p10632420

 

Damn, seems like @Kaozm beat me up to it by a minute or so, oh well. Sorry for the double post, just had to. At least mine has pictures for the people lazy to click on links!

 

Dang, was hoping for something less flashy looking. I wonder if that lid design is custom.

 

Remeber.

 

Yes i could feel it. I was rushing

What do you think about it? I really like the design, subtle and bricky ... Wait, prema said wave? Aaahhh

 

I don't think it's in anyway flashy, I actually find it pretty good looking! Well yeah, those glossy lines could be a bit much for some, but I think otherwise it would've looked a bit much boring...

 

Very much agree with you, even 650 is more "flashy" Those, Waves on the lid i love, they are ?indent? and it will (hopefully) improve rigidity!.

The Wave it is!

 

Totally agree on that, I'm not into flashy stuff at all myself, but you gotta have at least a little "bling" to it! So yeah, the design is pretty damn nice, to say the least. And I love the fact it has dual rear vents, instead of those nasty side vents. Also has the more powerful 180W PSU, instead of the 150W PSU, that some other Clevo machines in this class have. It will be useful when overclocking, if the cooling is up to the task, that is!

Only real thing missing, I feel, is G-Sync, which I hope nGreedia licences for 14" FHD screens...

 

It's 3GB, sorry, but that shop is just guessing.

 

Then people should preorder right away and get a good discount lol Would have been good to have some extra 3gb.. (Don't do stuff like that)

Do you know of any 14" G-sync display, news? Or this will just go like the 65x, no G-sync, now G-sync..?

 

Well, there goes that... I hoped it would be true, but I guess it was "too good to be true"...

 

Nope, there is no g-sync version of the wave, yet.

 

The 6820HK is something MSI backed away from in their machine, could be a nice option for some people who need a portable system with a lot of CPU power along with the nice GPU for sager/clevo.

 

I like a flatter and more bland design since it would be more business appropriate (think Gigabyte). I think this design would be great without the added lines.

I wouldn't mind that old beige coming back though, hahahahaha.

 

Kinda tired of the "black" too lol, and I also like bland design but imo then clevo is the way to go, have to wait until someone reviews it to see what it looks like in real light tho! I hope it is as robust as it looks.

 

That definitely looks like an evolution of the W230SS. I like it. Nevertheless, Clevo shows that it seldom gets everything right. The considerably smaller battery is of contention, as is the lack of G-Sync and more than 3 GB of VRAM. Oh well, can't get everything you want.

 

Specs are pretty perfect. Prices too. I expect this to be $1200 in the US. Only thing is that design leaves more to be desired. LEDs on power button is wacky, and the keyboard isn't too centered on the screen, though the layout is very orderly. Also, arrows on the WASD look a bit unprofessional. I think Clevo tried too hard in the design of this model.

 

I like the design, if anything its a little over designed.

No tb3 / usb-c port is probably a deal breaker for many.

 

Yup, it is for me. Sadly I'm going to have to pass on this which sucks because I think it looks great, and I would love to have a Clevo again, perfect form factor for me as well. It just missed a big mark for me. USB type-c/TB3 is going to be mainstream soon enough, and I don't want to buy a machine without it right now since I'm going to be stuck with it for 3 years.

 

Since that shop has leaked it now...

Here you go!

 

Mind doing a size comparison with the P650SE/SG/RE/RG? I want to see how much smaller it is

 

oh heck yeah, the WAVE! subscribing to the TI thread as we speak haha

love the design, awesome hardware, who cares about usb-c, tb3 (i mean seriously what for? no applications yet) and im still not convinced by gsync if i was in the market for a portable performance machine, this would be it with a 512gb 950 pro, 32 gigs of 2800 mhz ram, 6820HK cpu and, of course, premamod all the way

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Nah, 'Wave' doesn't give it the same feel as the 'Batman' or the 'Phoenix'. It needs to be more... powerful.

 

its pretty psychedelic if u ask me, nothing wrong with that

brings u into higher spheres of concentrated / highly dense computing performance

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Psychedelic is rather far from 'concentrated performance'... It rather reminds me of LSD, cocaine and methamphetamine. Not what you want to think of when you're running a powerful machine. You need that adrenaline feel.

These laptops look like lithe stealth fighters. We need a similarly 'buff' name for this. I feel 'Wave' doesn't cut it, not at all.

How about 'Blade'? No, wait, that's already used by Razer. Perhaps 'Cyclone'?

 

Once you OC the "WAVE" it turns into the "TSUNAMI".

 

Well, it could be worse..



Edit: Lol. When i first saw this thread i was like ahh the Chupacabra
So The Wave aka Chupacabra?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra