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That's why if you get the european release of american shows (or vice versa) they are actually different running times due to the different speeds.

 

I just got the machine back today. Sager did everything they said they would and more. The machine looks brand new (new casing), its a new keyboard, new touchpad, both 980Ms are new (different ASICs), all the fans are new.

Max temp in Heaven with everything maxed out and max fans is 82C

Here's a comparison of the old system to the new in FS - http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8086389/fs/8746613

Seems like everything is working how it is supposed to. I tested the audio jack and it is working as well and I can confirm its a new motherboard, new fans, etc.

980Ms power throttle but not near as bad as my old ones.

When I took it out of the box and fired it up, the SLI indicators were on and something was royally messed up because I couldn't get Heaven to run above like 500-600MHz and the RAM was stuck at 1600MHz so I uninstalled the 362.03 driver and went to 365.19 and all is well. Its odd though because they did indeed send it back how I sent it in (they didn't wipe my drive, it is the same base Windows 10 install I sent them - my RMA notes even popped up when I turned the machine on like how it was set up when I sent it to them lol) so I don't know what broke the driver but its fine now.

 

Any word on the 1080m being comparable with my sm-a

 

No proper release of any card so no word on special cases yet.

Then you go and sell it

I'm glad you got a machine you were originally expecting

 

Well it's more gauging interest honestly. Selling it would be a pain for me but I could take the money and make a huge upgrade to my desktop which is what I've been using since I shipped it off and rather enjoyed the experience (especially how quiet it is lol) but obviously the 780 Ti is a bit of a slouch compared to 980M SLI. About 20dB quieter though...

But yes, they fixed everything. Even the touchpad which I spaced was messed up when I made my list was replaced.

 

I'm glad to hear that you got your computer taken care of and all issues were addressed.

 

Your desktop has a 780 Ti? It's no 1080 but it's certainly not too bad of a card.

I feel like it would be such a shame to get rid of your laptop after you finally have it all fixed up and working perfectly.

 

I don't think I'll be selling it. Not yet. This is the first time since I got the machine that everything works. Even the touchpad is perfect.

My 780 Ti is no slouch.. Considering I mostly game at 1080p it handles most tasks with ease, I've even been using DSR 4K upscaling on a lot of games and the ones it has issues with like Watch Dogs I've lost interest in. Even Unreal Tournament pre-alpha needs over 2K DSR before it dips under 60fps and that's with everything on the Epic setting.

That said, I'll be upgrading my GPU by the end of the year.

 

The fury is not bad either, it's a shame dirty bomb does not agree with it so much but doom is nice.

However I am looking forward to moving on in not too long...

 

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Ethrem
(I still haven't figured quotes out on this site)

About Witcher 3

Turn off Nvidia hair works.. (Its only for Garrett anyway) it doesn't look that much difference (if really any difference at all) but makes a worlds difference in GPU temp.

EDIT: Before I turned off Nvidia Hair works, got close to 90!! Sometimes way over. It matters that much! Everything else is on max/Ultra.

I only just got the game not too long ago, but fonts look great on my 50'' TV.

GPU's run low to high 70's to lower 80's and in a few areas mid 80's in super high dense areas.. never an issue though.. have played 8+ hours daily non stop with no issues. Games like this are why SLI exist IMO..

I have no slowdowns or stutters at all.

Hope this helps

IE.. Nvidia hair works = High GPU heat
Not sure what went wrong, but they screwed up something with that setting. Plus I can't tell what the difference is with it on anyway.

 

Does anyone know what the max width of internal HHD can be? Can system handle 15 cm width HHD?

Edit, I guess I should have said thickness? Not width. Can system use 15 CM thick HHD?

 

If you hit the reply link on someone's post, it quotes them automatically and drops you in the response box. If you hit the +quote button then scroll to the text input, it says insert quotes and you can do it that way.

As for why Gameworks features increase heat so much it's the same reason that high antialiasing settings do - the computational workload the GPU has to do increases exponentially, especially with nVidia pushing extreme tessellation to hurt AMD cards. Just turning AA down in a game can drop your temps by 10+ degrees. In fact, upscaled DSR has less of an impact on the temperature and provides results that you have to be really picky about to argue with so I mostly just use DSR now unless there's a game that doesn't work right with it (which I haven't found one on 365.19) or cuts the framerate too much at less than 2x which is where I notice the difference between straight AA and DSR in most games on my TV. If the game can do 4K DSR, I really can't tell the difference besides about 5C in temp drop versus 4xMSAA at 1080p.

As for the drive size, I have no idea. Meaker probably would know though or be able to find out.

 

Okay, very much a newbie here, and might be out of my depth

I've just made a bit of an impulse purchase and ordered a new Clevo P370SM-A as a replacement for my laptop, aware its an older design, but content to save money over the latest & greatest options on the market.
A touch wary this might be more of an enthusiasts machine than I've previously owned, read lots of posts about bios updates and cooling mods. Have previously upgraded RAM, cpu and hard drives on old laptops - even changed keyboards over a few times, and swapped a screen once, so I'm not afraid to open up a machine when needed, but I'm in no way a techno guru and not really looking to clock or tweak around with anything in the short term.

Are these machines good to go when delivered or are there any should do / must do's when initially setting up ?

Spec Ordered - i7 4800MQ, 16gb ram, gtx 980m 8gb Win 7 from CEG in Germany. about 1600 euros / £1300 gbp delivered.



Back Story -

Replacing a Del XPS 17, i7 2860, 16gb ram, nvidia 555 3gb owned since new in 2012, carries a 1tb and a 2tb evo SSD's (ones a 840, ones an 850) which I intend to transfer over to the Clevo

Switched from desk top to laptop about 10 years ago, had an earlier Dell XPS which worked well when it worked, but failed repeatedly over its 5 years with me, their excellent warranty kept me rolling. Use is 90% work, mostly MS office software, photography is a hobby so there is some leisure time on Abobes suit, and occasional videos to edit; I haven't found the machine unable to meet my needs until I treated my self to DOOM last month, when the graphics weakness was apparent. Gaming is maybe a couple of hours a week on a Sunday, but my Dell could manage 20 mins on low settings before it would stutter to a halt on that game.

Laptop will remain on the desk for most of the month, being used elsewhere for a day or two every 4 weeks at most, and never on battery, always plugged in.

I'd checked out various benchmarks, and my old laptops CPU was still only half as powerful as a current cooking CPU and is good enough to keep me happy, but the GX Card was less than 20% as able as a good current mobile GPU. I was drawn to the P370SM over other options in my price range, as the potential to go for an SLi upgrade in the future could let me squeeze an other year or two out of the machine before it became too outdate for my use, the ceiling for CPU speed seemed less restrictive than for GPU if Intels annual chip improvements remain at the 10 to 20 percent level.

Newer chassis had 6th series I7s as standard spec, but anything with this level of GPU was going to be about £500 more, and I really didn't want to head into those price areas.

Final swing for me was Win 7 still being an option for these older machines, I'm lazy/comfortable with Win7, and despite some advantages of Win10, I just can't be arsed to learn my way around a different OS yet..

I have assumed I can clone and switch my old hard drives into the new laptop, and that I can upgrade the CPU to a higher end 4th serise i7 in a few years if needed.

 

If you've changed a laptop LCD before, you won't mind this machine. Everything is very accessible. The 4800MQ should honestly be fine in your machine since it can be easily pushed to 3.9GHz, I wouldn't recommend the 4940MX personally. The cooling system can't handle it over 4GHz without using liquid ultra instead of thermal paste and it was just largely a waste of money.

 

You can tune the 48xx and 49xx series to the thermal max of the system.

 

I thought the 4800MQ only went to 3.9GHz max overclock?

 

Maybe try powerCut in Throttlestop. Working for some.

 

Yep and that's around the max 24/7 you would want to set.

 

Well like Meaker says, 3.9GHz 24/7 is really the best the cooling can handle without liquid ultra or case modding.

 

Ok. Understand. I thought you said your 4800mq could only do 3.9 GHz. And maybe hoped for more.

 

Nah I have the 4940MX, my machine just can't cool it......

 

Yeah. I messed up. Know you have 4940MX. If you run 3.9 GHz 24/7 then it's ok. But if you run 4.0 GHz on your processor, so can maybe also 4800MQ do that if PowerCut can work.

 

I tuned someone's system and 3.9ghz was the sweet spot for their power tuned undervolted chip. YMMV of course.

 

I gave up messing with it. It has a -85mv undervolt and I raised the max multis to 40 and bumped the current from 71 to 105 but if I'm not on max fans 90-92C isn't uncommon and max fans are about 87-89C but the cores drop under 39 with certain workloads still.

 

I had it mid to low 80s at 3.9ghz and thought that was plenty for a non experienced person to deal with.

 

Well the problem is the 4940MX is not a great chip at all. My stock VID is something like 1.212v... I'd have to double check the numbers but it's high. I was never able to get 4.3GHz stable because it needed over 1.3v and Clevo has a hard cut off somewhere around that voltage where the system just immediately shuts off.

For reference my 4790K does 1.16v @ 4.4GHz...

 

The 4 series extremes did seem oddly binned though historically they have been a bit hotter but higher clockers, not a great pair for this machine.

 

i have a 4900mq and cannot achive a stable 3.9Ghz..system always crash with a 4k 60fps youtube clip.
Someone can advise me how? i tried with xtu and bios... i have liquid ultra as thermal paste

 

You need to tune the voltage and power limits.

 

Guys is there a way to control the fans on the P377SM-A? Hwinfo doesn't show the rpms of them. Wanted to check if i could make custom profiles but no idea how and if it is possible? Thanks

 

I don't believe there is any way to manually control the fans. Most laptops don't have functions like that similar to what you would see on a desktop. Might be able to set it to max speed or let the computer automatically control them, but that is about it.

 

About hotkey controlling the fans. Is there anyway to choose the language it is in? Hate the Portuguese translation on it lol

 

I think it might read your current language setup, you could have a look through the configuration files.

 

Clevo control center fan speed adjustment doesn't work on this machine. It's auto or FN+1 for max (alternately setting maximum in the control center). The custom fan speed control has never worked on any version of Windows from 7, 8.1, and 10, it just sticks with its default behavior. No idea why Clevo put it in the control center for this machine.

And yes the binning of the extreme chips being terrible is an understatement. Ironically the 4930MX chips almost all seemed to be great chips... Leave it to Intel.

 

Intel binning has always been in flux it seems.

 

In the case of the 4940MX it seems like they took all the leftover scraps that couldn't fit in a 47W TDP and marked them as being premium. I almost think my 4940MX is worse than my 4770k was and it was pretty bad...

 

A lot of the 4770K issues were due to the large gap between the heatspreader and die, it's a little hard to compare the desktop and mobile chips due to the different environments they are in (TDP, Phase design and temperatures).

 

Nah it's the stock VID I'm talking about. I believe my 4940MX is higher than my 4770k was. I'll find out when I put it in the computer I'm building my roommate next month.

 

Ethrem,, are you running your 4940 at stock?

Also are you using that Hotkey (control center) that comes with sager/clevo?

 

I run it with a -85mv undervolt and 40x multis on all four cores.

I'm using the latest Sager Hotkey for Windows 10.

 

Thanks for the info boss man..
Do you use the Bios or XTU?

also I figured out the 40x multis on all four cores
By under volt do you mean dynamic CPU volt offset in XTU?

Also I use ICD 7, will this work ok with your settings? Or only liquid Ultra?

PS: Happy 4th of July! and thanks for always being so helpful!!!!!!

 

I used a 0.5mm pad for the CPU VRM and IC diamond on the mod I did and that seemed to work pretty well.

 

what do you mean by "I used a 0.5mm pad for the CPU VRM"

also was I right about what to change to undervolt?

What advice do you have I can do with my system?

 

I used a thinner pad on the CPU heatsink, it worked on that machine and got the CPU heatsink closer to the core. You are getting to fine differences so watch out for variation from heatsink to heatsink in terms of dimensions.

 

err ok, thanks.. never took my system apart so didn't even know there was a pad there :/

Was I right about undervolting that Ethrem was talking about?

If using XTU and I set cores to 40 and set dynamic CPU volt offsetdynamic CPU volt offset to -85, is that what Ethrem means? Also will I be ok with ICD with settings?? If not maybe set to -90 or something?

I want to be able to do SOMETHING with this over priced damn CPU to improve it at least a little from stock (as that's the point I assume to having it) without having to use liquid ultra so any advice is welcome. Even if its just a tiny improvement?

 

Every chip is different (stock voltage and what curve of frequency vs voltage it can do) so his settings have a good chance of being meaningless to you. You will have to experiment.

 

Do you have any advice on settings?

 

What's your stock VID at 4GHz? Mine was quite high hence the -85mv undervolt being stable. Download RealBench http://rog.asus.com/19932016/news/realbench-v2-43-new-version-available-now/ and set the voltage offset to -105 and try to run it. That will most likely hang as soon as you set it but if it doesn't, try testing it. If that doesn't work, drop 5mv until it passes a loop three times. In my experience 3 times is enough to expose a CPU with too little voltage but you can obviously do more to make sure. Since it has a range of tasks that it does, its a pretty good stability test. Optionally from the max stable point you can add another 5mv in case you manage to find an app that does indeed crash. My undervolt was initially -90mv but some games were unstable so I settled at -85mv and haven't had an issue since.

 

IF I am right and undervolted correctly by what Ethrem ment, I am at 49-51 temp at idle (but I have a very VERY active desktop) and before my cpu was fluxing from 3.7 to 3.9 now is steady 3.991hz so it did improve the constant core speed.

 

HI!! OK I am downloading that now, should I undo all xtu changes first? (using what you said)

will XTU tell me the info you asked for?