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Thanks again for the info. I would say that not getting the 4940MX would save me money if there's not much point for my needs as you imply, as it seems to be a lot more expensive than the 4910!

How much would you say RAM factors into gameplay performance? Does it depend on the game, in the same way you say that GTA5 in particular is a CPU hog?

Something else that occurred to me.. I want to hook this computer up to an external screen whilst I'm back in the UK. Is there any significant delay caused by such a connection or is it pretty much 1:1 in terms of input, etc?

I'm really looking forward to getting this computer in the summer as I've wanted a PC that can handle gaming well for a while now. Plus I actually really need one as my screen on my current laptop is broken!

 

Every where I have gone, in GTA 5 the it is seriously like constant 60 fps...all max settings I am pretty amazed myself, this laptop is even better than I expected it to be...like it handles anything and everything I have had a chance to throw at it...You will love this laptop man!

 

Thanks so much, mate! It's really good to read that as I had GTA5 in mind as my standard for how good this machine will be for gaming. It's been pretty hard to find an account of someone talking about how the game handles on the Clevo, so hearing that from you is a real relief!

Crazy machinima, here I come, when it gets to the summer! July 16th when I go back to the UK cannot come fast enough!

 

Hey np, I know what you mean about hard to find info I did searches everywhere before I bought this laptop as like you I had to save up for quite a while...and while searching I was brought to this forum which is the best place for info about these machines trust me

 

Yeah it's great to be able to hear info from people who've actually got this machine before I take the plunge and buy it.

Like you say, people on here really know their stuff.

 

I have this same question

 

By the time i bought my CLEVO higher frequency ones weren't an option mainly because of my budget. But yeah. In the future I'm thinking on getting some higher clock ones
Well i just did my first upgrade to my Clevo. Bought an mSata SSD Samsung 840 EVO 500GB
Now i have a Samsung 840 Pro 256Gb to host my OS, have a Hitachi 1tb @7200rpm for backups and the mSata for gaming mainly

 

having used both 1600 and 1866 you won't really notice a diff honestly maybe for a select few programs u might notice something a tiny bit lol

 

Yeah I know. The upgrade would be to 2133Mhz

 

well that I dunno but let me know

 

Not thinking about it mate. At least for now. But I'll be sure to let you know when I do it

 

Most benchmark and magazine results agree that while faster memory with lower latency does result in a difference, it is a very small difference. The amount of memory (up to a point), the graphics card, the drive (ssd vs mechanical) and the cpu have a much, much greater effect on overall speed.

 

I would tend to agree with that because over the years I have tired many types brands etc of memory

 

I, too, am tired of many types of memory...

 

hah I see what you did there....with my misspelling gj yah there are too many types/brands can be confusing to new people but luckily I am new to the sager brand and alot of other things but not memory

 

Mostly you just worry about speed and latencies over brand these days unless you are going for world records.

 

Ethrem, Meaker, Everyone

I looked at the results from the previous stability test I ran back on April 28th...
Ethrem, you said that you were disappointed to see the aida stability test because the cpu was throttling at 2.9.....Im confused because on the HWinFO64 tests...I see where the cpu cores were averaging around 3.0, but, in all the tests the part where it says Core Thermal Throttling (for cores 0 thru 3 (4 cores) it always said no.

Now, I decreased the dynamic voltage offset by -70mV, and increased the current limit to 110....when I run the aida stability test....I can see that cores 2 and 3 under the core thermal throttling are saying yes, the average core clocks are up to around 3.2, and the average core temps here averaging around 88 during the test, but sometimes hitting like 90-92 for a second then dropping back down....(core 3 is throttling the most) I seriously spent hours playing around with the settings in XTU...and bluescreened my system a few times...(once was able to get a benchmark of 895)

So if I'm trying to get the core clocks to be stable at a higher rate, but not throttle....is it best if I turn down the voltage offset a little more? or up the current limit?
turn down the current limit and leave the dynamic voltage where its at?

I've been playing around with this for days now...driving me mad....I seem to get a good benchmark...then if I stress test in using XTU, it might perform well, or for some reason just core 3 is the only one that seems to thermal throttle, or....XTU stress test runs with no issues, and the AIDA64 stress test seems to run even hotter and forces me to go back to square one.....

Normally, you overvolt to overclock, right? but why does undervolting prevent throttling?

Last but not least, why does the aida 64 stability test seem to make the processor core temps run hotter compared to the xtu stability test?

I ordered some IC diamond paste...gonna repaste processor just to make sure that's not an issue.....

 

These systems have terrible CPU cooling, so thermal throttling is something we need to watch out for. Undervolting prevents this, but you need higher current limits to offset the undervolt. The TDP remains lower by undervolting though (and thus temps remain lower) even with using more current.

A repaste with good quality paste will indeed help the temperatures though.

Were you power limit throttling before? If you ran into a TDP limit (high voltage and clockspeeds = higher TDP; if you left your TDP stock 47/57W you could easily hit that limit in stress tests, even if you didn't overheat).

 

D2 Ultima,

Originally...before I changed anything (all was at stock config) Ethrem noticed it was throttling kinda low which is why he recommended undervolting ....

However, I've noticed that when I up the current though...that my temps increase, notice that when I go to any current above 80, my temps go up to low to mid 90's, so for now, at least until I repaste, I'll be keeping current at 78, undervolt at -68, clock multipliers across the board at 39; that's what seems to be stable for stress tests and gives me freq of 3.8/3.9 at least for the time being

 

Well see, the current limit is simply a limit. When the CPU needs power that does not exist, it will throttle. If raising your current limit beyond 78 increases temps it's because it probably needs that extra current. Repasting probably will indeed help with temps, as will propping the machine up and using max fans. But I'm amazed... you can use a -68mV offset with 3.9GHz and have it stable. I would BSOD the second I hit apply if I did that. I would love that chip, I bet.

 

Hi. sorry for the online translator. help me out with my laptop clevo p370sm. I bought it with a single gtx 780m.I want to change to a gtx 980m sli. I tried to insert the video card(gtx 780m) second vga socket(hence the first vga socket is empty) the laptop will not turn on makes peeps...is this normal? Second vga socket will only work in conjunction sli?and how can I change the speed of pci-e 8x to 16x?

 

I doubt there is official support for your Clevo with a 980M without a modded driver or a modified bios... That's why you don't see the post messages on it...
You don't change the pci speed...

 

Since these machines do not have the iGPU active it is probably because the primary MXM socket is 'hardwired' (no MUX?) as the primary video, hence the bios fails POST with no card in there.

As said you don't get to change the pci-e speed.

Good luck.

 

Hey guys, I'm looking at a P377SM-A with SLI 980's.

Has anyone posted a review of this monster yet?

 

joluke & MickyD1234, thanks for the replies
someone on the screens of GPU-z for example shows the single card x16. and I have x8. I assumed it was a sli(cf) speed x8-x8. in rare exceptions for example I have on my desktop(old lga775) allows you to use speed x16-x16 crossfire...
Bios are planning to put on the laptop modified from Prema
Andycinoz, go to youtube.com request "gtx 980m sli" performance level - titan X

 

Got one on order from Mythlogic, when I get it, I will do a short review.

 

Single card at 8x gen 3 is more than enough anyway.

 

Dmitry, that thing looks absolutely amazing.

And over $300 outside my budget, sadly! Even scaling back on the processor with the one Xotic have available (which I'm a little hesitant about doing), I can't get it under my $3k budget... do you have any suggestions? Are there any other good, customizable MSI resellers out there?

 

Andycinoz, if you want to save money, I recommend you not to buy the laptop from a reseller and collect yourself, like I did...over a year ago I bought my barebone for clevo p370sm with one video Card gtx780m(if at current exchange rate) is less than 800$ + a little over 200$: 4700mq processor, 2*4 GB RAM, and SSD m-sata 256 GB SATA Toshiba. All purchased on ebay.com with your budget you can collect even better...when you consider that in China 2 pieces GTX 980m can be purchased for around$1,300 on the P. S. I personally like for clevo! Even on tests of performance bypasses the Alienware 18. I chose the model p370sm-as the most compact with two graphics cards...even though it is relatively thin)-it is convenient to upgrade for better cooling(a consequence of acceleration, the increase in productivity)

 

Meaker, I agree with you, that for existing cards - the difference between x8 and x16 is not so significant...but what Nvidia muddy muddied do with NVLink and future architecture "pascal" supposedly speed pci-e has exhausted its speed limit and they will change NVLink-but it's not clear until the end that he be...we can only hope that this future architecture will be released under our standard mxm=)

 

Dmitry. DUDE. SPOILER TAG THOSE PHOTOS MAN.

 

It's more about multi card performance though.

 

D2 Ultima, sorry, the spoiler didn't understand, but made the photo smaller...these are my photos)
Meaker, Nvidia claims that 10x faster than a titan x will be the new architecture...maybe it's just marketing...but if it is, indeed, a bandwidth may not be enough existing pci-e to full potential...and have to change platforms...flashed like the numbers that memory bandwidth of the first generation HBM will be about 1tb/s and the bus at mxm 3.0b is, if I'm not mistaken - 256bits

 

I think they are talking an 8 way system compared to the current performance of a 4 way system. The link is only between cards and not to the CPU.

 

Is anyone else running Windows 7? I downgraded and now all my FN keys work except for the brightness. I'm assuming I need a different Hotkey version?

 

There are hotkeys for Win 7 as well as 8; it's a different program as far as I know.

 

Yeah I used the one that came on the windows 7 driver disc. The only thing I can think of is either it needs a new version because my EC is the latest version or the fact that I have the 980M now and so I installed every other driver and did that last broke it. You would think an uninstall and reinstall would have fixed that though but no dice.

 

Yeah, I went and checked Clevo's website. No official Win 7 drivers exist any longer for it. Win 8.1 is the only supported OS.

 

Sager still has them all though. I just finished dinner so what better time to mess with the computer haha.

Worst case scenario I'm going to kill my RAID and put Linux on one drive, 8.1 on the other. I'm tired of 8.1 - firing up my computer with 7 is so much smoother and I never did figure out what the idle task was that kept firing my CPU usage through the roof every time the computer idled. Starts as soon as I install 8.1 Update 1.

 

I know someone who has that. I don't know why YOU get it; I have never gotten it. But oh well I guess. As long as it works for you XD.

 

I got it on my desktop too. The difference is my desktop is liquid cooled and with full AVX load (which throws my laptop into thermal throttle) it maxes at 70C at 4.7GHz and even with the obnoxious Corsair stock fans on the H100i, it gets nowhere near as loud as my CPU fan in my laptop.

By the way the uninstall didn't work... lol.

EDIT: Knew I saw Prema post about it... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...377-owners-lounge.753213/page-86#post-9882098

EDIT2: No dice. Gonna try the Windows 8.1 version. It may work on 7... Grabbed the latest from the FTP. Otherwise its back to 8.1 land

EDIT3: Back to 8.1... With a dual boot Linux Mint. Working fine.

 

Thread changed to P37xSM-A instead of just the 377. We don't have threads for the P370 and P375 SM-A refreshes and while Sager sells the P377SM-A, most Clevo resellers sell the 370 and 375. Thanks for the suggestion @Prema

 

D2 Ultima, saw your post regarding you running win 7 and having the fn keys not work with the brightess....

My rig came with win 8, couldn't stand it....so I installed win7 ultimate, I installed all the drivers from sager first (after win7 install), then updated windows. I've had full functionality of all the keys including brightness. Not sure if that helps you

 

Was me that had the issue.

It was a Hotkey problem. Unfortunately my EC needs the latest Hotkey which doesn't work in Windows 7.

But I got my Windows 8.1 issue fixed. Finally got rid of all background tasks and now when the computer is idle, it is actually idle. I can hear my cable box fan but I don't hear a thing coming from my laptop now and haven't for the two or so hours I've had it on and its on high performance too.

 

Hello everyone,
I finally got around to repasting the CPU and GPU's with IC DIAMOND....

The results were not really what I expected.

The CPU average temps during stress tests before was around 81 to 85C, sometimes hitting 90's
Now the CPU average temps during stress tests is around 80 to 84 C, but not hitting 90's

The GPU's average temps during stress tests/gaming is around 35C, sometimes 37 to 38C

However, the idling temps went from around 33/34C down to 27C.

So, I guess repasting made a sleight improvement.

NOW...for my dilemma...I'm super confused. The whole reason why I repasted was because I was thermal throttling during stress tests when trying to overclock just a bit......

SO....now....I can overclock up to 3.9 , decrease the dynamic cpu voltage down to 70 or 100mV, up the current amp to 80 to 100A, etc. I can run the aida test for four hours, and pass, good temps, no throttling. I can run the xtu tests for four hours, pass, good temps, no throttling. I can play games maxed out, no issues, good temps, no BSOD... BUT.....whenever I shut down and reboot, about 70% of the time, the XTU defaults back to original settings....anyone else having this nightmare? I guess I could just leave stock settings. I'm not trying to go crazy with overclocking, the tweaks I had were stable, temps staying around 80C...but for some reason the XTU defaults.

LASTLY....anyone else notice that the SLI GPU's are roughly the same temps at idle, but sometimes one runs hotter than the other (like 10-20C difference under load)?

THANKS everyone....

 

Glad to hear its possibly permanently resolved...got my fingers crossed Ethrem

 

That does not happen for me... but sometimes my XTU likes to "reset" my current limit for some extremely stupid reason. No idea why. I've started using Throttlestop 8 to tweak my CPU. For all intents and purposes, the same controls are there, and it's on-the-fly.

My main GPU is 6-11 degrees hotter under load than my slave GPU. It is a problem under excess heat, but I think that's my fan. My cards have always been within 5-6c of each other excepting the last few months, and my main GPU fan is warped and I need a new one.

If one of your cards is 20c hotter than the other AND you're not using the P370EM heatsink setup for better CPU cooling, then you probably have a problem. If your GPU keeps thermal throttling you should report it and see if you can hunt for an RMA.

 

Speaking of FN keys, the backlight on my FN key seems to be dimmer than all the other keys around it. Is it just me being OCD or is anyone else's unit like this too?

 

Mines the same, the FN key is dim, and the ALT and CTRL keys next to it are a slightly different color than the rest of the keyboard (when set to light blue or white)

 

Ah okay. Least I'm alone.

I see a few people here running msata's in their laptops. What kind of temps do you guys get on the msata when under load?

I have a crucial MX 200 and the one at the bottom near the gpu's copper piping reached 80c when I ran crystaldiskmark on it. It idled at 59c

Comparatively, an exact same mx200 under the keyboard idled at 54 and peaked at 65. Looks like its being cooked by the gpu