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Hey Ethrem, I need help of yours. You have the 4940MX processor. How is it going for you? How are the temps during idle and gaming? Does it run too hot? Will you be able to play high demanding games like crysis 3, metro 2033 for 2-3hrs without temps issues? If it is, then I will go with the 4940MX. If not then I will go with the 4910MQ. Please help! I am going to order Sager NP9377-S within this week.

 

Mine was messed up out of the box. The TDP was set at 67 instead of the stock 57 and it was running around 90C. I set it at 57 and I see mid 80s. Haswell is a very hot chip. I have an ambient temp of 20-22C and when the chip has a full load, it heats up quite a bit but the chip is designed to do so. I wouldn't worry about it.

As for my opinion about the chip? I would get the 4910mq instead if I was buying the machine now. They seem to run cooler and overclock higher than the MX chips from what I've seen.

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It's all down to the silicon lottery once you push chips.

 

Hey everyone, just one last question. After this I am going to order. Please help! So if I take the 4910MQ processor and if I overclock to 3.1 Ghz, will I get the same performance as 4940MX? Also will the 4910MQ be stable and run cooler on 3.1Ghz than the 4940MX 3.1Ghz? Please answer everyone with your own opinions.

 

3.1ghz? Both are the same chip so will run roughly the same at the same frequency/voltage, the XM just has more wiggle room on the settings.

 

3.1GHz is the base clock for 4940MX, which you will pretty much never see unless it runs out of thermal headspace or hits the TDP. (and by that point the chip should be running past 90C anyway)

Goind by turbo clocks, the 4940MX is only 100MHz faster than the 4910MQ. Yes the 4940MX will be able to sustain the turbo longer (maybe even indefinitely), but that 100MHz will not make a noticeable difference even in CPU bound games.

Really as I said before unless you're a benching enthusiast, the 4940MX will just be a waste of your money. Yes I understand this is your last laptop and you probably won't ever upgrade it again or buy a new laptop, but my answer is still the same. The 4910MQ can be overclocked to 4.3GHz on all 4 cores if you really need sort of performance, but at that point thermals will be extremely tough to manage. So unless you're willing to spend time and effort on modding the cooling, there's no point in the 4940MX.

Think of the 4910MQ as a 4940MX that can be overclocked to 4.3GHz and ask yourself: do I really need or even want to go beyond 4.3GHz? That should guide you on what to pick.

 

Purchased this beauty of a beast, a little while back from Sager/XoticPC. Just entered Phase 3 and I've been reading up on some of you with worries, heating issues, replacing some of the heatsink that's on the 880's. I've also heard a lot of OCing jargon as well as all these benchmarking sites and test that y'all are using.

So I suppose my priority at this time is to make a to-do list for when she arrives and to make sure she's working in great condition. What I'd like to know is...

First, what programs should I be looking at and/or sites and benchmarking tools to make sure everything is working properly inside.
Second, even though I keep my room pretty cool. (Around 65-70 degrees F) What other ways can I track the temperature of the rig, keep it cool just to make sure the heatsink isn't baking on me?
Third, I want to keep OCing in mind, so what tools would be good for that, even if I'm not looking to OC right away. I do want to keep in mind the correct tools for the job and maybe look up tutorials later.
Fourth, Y'all want any pictures or information that you want me to get for you, review or otherwise, before I delve in too deep to the gaming hole and never again surface to the face of humanity?

 

If you are keeping your room that cool, you shouldn't have a problem.

Realistically, the heat is only a problem if you push the machine... Out of the box, its fine. Its not ideal in my mind to have video cards running so hot but this is the last power squeeze nVidia could get out of Kepler so... *shrug*

I did repaste and I have significantly lower temps but seriously, heat isn't a big issue, noise is kind of dumb though. I really hate the fact that my CPU fan is always audible, even on power saver mode. All of my previous laptops had a setting where it was virtually inaudible but not this one. Its a minor annoyance but an annoyance nonetheless.

 

Out the box run what you intend to and make sure the performance is consistent.

 

I was shocked to see this.

PassMark - Intel Core i7-4940MX @ 3.10GHz - Price performance comparison

PassMark - Intel Core i7-4910MQ @ 2.90GHz - Price performance comparison

Is this real? 4910MQ performance is better than 4940MX. Definitely going with the 4910MQ no matter what.

Now I am going to order Sager NP9377-S. Thanks n=1 for helping! You saved me more than 500$. I will probably add some ssds with that. Thanks everyone for helping!

 

Hardly tests run under standard conditions is it?

 

Well I guess that if I were going to at some point push the cards a little harder, just to squeeze every last drop out of them that I can, then I would keep repasting in mind. That's where our two opinions would differ I think, see I don't really mind the sound of fans since I doubt I'll be able to hear them anyway with my headphones on. As long as the payoff for the fans running is that the cards work at their intended speed and stay cool. In fact if I had a say in the matter I'd rather the fans run at 60-80% all the time just to keep everything nice and chilly inside. But that's more of a personal preference and warm fuzzy than anything else. Well I don't plan on OCing right away anyway so I don't see how that would be an issue I'd have to deal with anyway, but thanks for the info.

Roger that, seems easy enough. At least I hope so because the opposite would mean of course that something is either wrong with the system or worse that the system might unexpectedly die at any moment.

And while I appreciate the one liner quips from you now and again, as it appears that you know your stuff and don't waste your time showing it, it would be nice with a short followup of how you got to the information you shared. Or perhaps an explanation of how you arrived at your conclusion. Such as your last post, I can't really tell if you're saying that the MQ had a fair advantage in the tests provided in links of the post before. Or that it was obvious that the MX wasn't going to measure up, or possibly that it has and I'm just not seeing something.

Either way thanks for the tip.

 

Something was obviously incorrect in Passmark configuration for that machine with the MX. It handily beats the MQ in benchmarks, it just isn't strong enough to justify the price increase and heat increase.

If the fans aren't a problem for you, press FN+1 and force them to go max if you think temps are high. I don't game in headphones so I can't speak about that but at full blast I think you would still hear the fans unless you had over ear headphones.

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Sorry about that, Tapatalk made a mistake and you can't delete your post on this forum.

Well I ran the battery down for the first time last night. Actually lived longer than I expected. I had it on high performance mode, Bluetooth and WiFi enabled, and was playing a flash game and doing some browsing and chatting, display over half brightness (this display is bright, I don't ever have it much above half brightness) and it went an hour and 20 minutes before it hit 10%. Considering that the processor is set with a 40x multiplier and runs 3.99GHz unless the load is too high and of course my graphics were both nVidia cards, that's really impressive. I have no doubt the battery would last 4 hours or more on power saver mode.

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Just a FYI if you click "Edit post" then delete, then delete post you can. I do it when Derek and I answer the same question.

 

Good to know. Doesn't work on Tapatalk though unfortunately. The site is too heavy with the ads for mobile to be smooth so I'm stuck with what I have with Tapatalk.

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Unrelated but I got moved to stage 4 today

 

They are fine tuning tools you do have to be very careful.

 

Huh? What was that in reference to?

I got a nice scare today. Went to run the new Sky Dive benchmark and got a black screen once the benchmark started with the white FPS meter at the bottom. Thought I fried my GPU since it was stock clocks. Well I did a Google search for it and nVidia has announced it as an issue and they will be releasing drivers to fix it. They suggest the 335 desktop driver but I don't like using modded drivers. Anyone who tries the new 3dmark sky dive test should be aware of it.

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Good question, must have been looking at another thread. Whoops. Maybe the wrong page. I've hung up my benching cap till the new cards I think.

 

Yeah I need to get myself out of benchmark mode. The bottom line is that my machine takes everything I throw at it. Now that I put Watch Dogs on borderless window mode and disabled the page file, the only game that was giving me issues now runs 50+ FPS on Ultra. I just wanted to check out the new benchmark since I have the paid version of 3dmark lol. It's odd that the demo works but the benchmark causes a black screen.

My complaints with the machine have all dissolved after my repaste. I still have one of my cores running 1-2C hotter than the rest but that's acceptable. I don't want to try applying IC Diamond again, it was much harder getting it on the CPU properly than the GPU. My last application was a line from edge to edge and very slow and careful placement of the heatsink over the screws before letting the heatsink make contact with the paste. It's not as straightforward as the GPU assembly which pretty much goes right where it is supposed to.

I'm curious though... What is the point of putting a 5 megapixel camera on the back of the laptop and a 2 megapixel in the front? Seems like a pervert feature to me. I hadn't even tested the cameras. I live that they have a hardware key to enable and disable them, nice added sense of security when using my machine. But yeah, it would be nice to have the 5 megapixel camera be usable for Skype heh.

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1-2 is normal for cmos temp sensor variations anyway.

 

I agree with the pervert feature, seemed kind of odd to me.

 

Probably doubles as a spy laptop for the Taiwanese military

Btw I ordered an 880M heatsink for the P377SM-A which is a one-piece construction instead of separate core+vRAM heatsinks for the 780M in the P370SM. Hopefully this will cut temps by a few C due to improved airflow...

 

It will make a small improvement. It's mostly about fin area.

 

Every degree counts, especially when you game for 5+ hours at a time lol

 

Well I finally managed to catch my desktop up to my laptop:

Fire Strike between desktop and laptop

I don't know why my 4770k didn't want to play nice the last time I tried it but this time, I have it stable @ 4.4GHz. GPU is a 780 Ti SC w/ ACX with a modest 100MHz core bump and 300MHz memory bump.

Not going to push for more, I just wanted my single card to beat my dual set up in the laptop.

Still... having to overclock an already overclocked card in order to achieve the performance of two laptop cards that are just a refresh of two generations of cards says a lot for these cards. If they would figure out the instability with overclocks and the driver throttling the cards down, these puppies could probably surpass their 780M cousins.

I should note that I have +450MHz memory clock on the 880Ms as well. The core on these unfortunately will not go up on stock voltage and if you crash the driver too many times, it initiates a super throttle so I decided to leave well enough alone. The memory can probably go higher, I've seen +1000MHz even. The memory really likes to run fast.

I had a problem earlier with my hard drives getting hot. If you notice at any time that the fans have stopped running on their low setting for any period of time and your palmrest starts to get warm on the left side, use the control center to switch from high performance to power saver and back again otherwise your hard drive temperatures will go through the ceiling (my normal 30s went up to 48-49C with no load on the drives). Seems to be an EC bug if I had to guess but switching profiles is easy enough to fix it. Its just something to take note of if you are noticing that your hard drives aren't staying cool. Even when I put a huge strain on the system benchmarking and everything, the highest that they normally go is 44-45C and that's with a hard drive benchmark really pushing things. If you have a cooling pad, this likely won't be an issue for you.

Now I'm going to go play with overclocking and see what I can do when hyperthreading is disabled since my overclocking doesn't seem to be limited by the chip so much as it does by the heat generation. Hoping for 4.1 but we'll see

EDIT: That was a fail. It appears that disabling HT actually kills overclocking period. I can set the multiplier as high as I want to, it won't pass 3.29GHz when it is in use if HT is disabled in the BIOS. Looks like I'm stuck with 3.79GHz for now.

 

880m sli is a beast, can't wait to get mine next week

 

Not quite caught up to my 780M sli scores:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930K,Notebook P570WM

 

Probably won't ever catch up to those. These cards are too finicky and nobody currently knows what causes them to uber throttle when the driver crashes too many times so those of us that have well performing parts aren't pushing the clocks.

Not only that but this machine doesn't have anywhere near the cooling the 570 does and I am indeed kicking myself for not going with the 570.

 

Looking at this laptop from xoticpc. Thinking with dual cards either 870 or 880. Like to game sometimes hours at a time. At the moment still into playing older games like cod4. So I can switch one card off. Hopefully it's easy to do. Thanks for any tips.

 

I think it's pretty funny that an sli 870m from sager costs less than a single 870m overheating Razer blade

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Probably has something to do with paying for the brand. While it seems through my many months of research that Sager does what it pleases and it simply loves to give people good deals. Not to mention allows a wider range of customization through their sellers than most other companies do through their main sites.

Just got updated to Phase 6 woot woot.

In response to some of the earlier posts about the Sager with the desktop CPU I was looking at that one but the aesthetics of it, double battery bricks, and no choice for a 120hz screen kinda ruined that option for me. I'm sure it would be a little more powerful but I'm not really going for the latest and greatest as much as I was looking for a rock solid gaming machine.

 

Does this laptop np9377 or np9377-s support 1866Mhz ram's?

 

Done. Results here

 

Officially? No. But as long as it runs 1.35v when it's at 1866,it should work.

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Even the 4700MQ will support up to 2200MHz ram (slightly overclocked 2133 ram).

BUT as Meaker pointed out it's all technically dependent on luck of draw, as Intel doesn't bin for the IMC past its official specs. Although higher binned CPUs will usually have better IMC.

 

You wouod have to be pretty unlucky, I only know of one chip that could not do beyond 1600mhz.

 

Kingston releases their new HyperX Impact memory's for laptop upto 2400Mhz (overclock 2666Mhz). It automatically recognises the platform it’s plugged into and auto overclocks to the highest frequency (up to 2666MHz) with no need to adjust system BIOS settings. Here is the link :

HyperX Impact SO-DIMM Memory

Some of you might interested in this.

 

The highest their website advertises as compatible with the P377SM-A is 1866

http://www.kingston.com/en/memory/s...ry_for_CLV_Notebook_Clevo_-_Notebook_P377SM-A

Based on that finding, it is unlikely those 2666MHz chips would run higher than 1866

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It is better going with the 1600Mhz because both the official sager website and intel mentions supports upto 1600Mhz. It also depends on processor. You have 32GB 1600Mhz ram. Is it the Kingston HyperX 1600Mhz (from xoticpc website) ram you have or some other brand?

 

I ordered my Sager NP9377-S (Clevo P377SM-A) with the following specs :

- Processor: Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4910MQ (2.9GHz - 3.9GHz, 8MB Intel® Smart Cache)
- Display: 17.3" FHD 16:9 120Hz "MatteType" 72% NTSC Color Gamut Sager Screen (1920x1080)
- Graphics Video Card: SLI (2x) - NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 880M (16.0GB total) GDDR5 PCI-Express DX11
- Current Promotion: FREE - WATCH DOGS for PC! (While Supplies Last / Must be requested in comments box during checkout)
- Ram: 32GB DDR3 1600MHz [4x8GB] Kingston HYPER X (CL9) Dual Channel Memory
- Thermal Compound: FREE! - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- mSATA SSD Drive ( Slot 1 ): 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series mSATA SSD - Preconfigured as an OS Drive ( Operating System – Drive C: )
- mSATA SSD Drive ( Slot 2 ): NO mSATA Solid State Drive
- mSATA SSD Drive - Configuration Option: Non-RAID Storage
- Primary Hard Drive: 1TB 7200RPM [SATA II - 3GB/s] (SKU - HDD097)
- Optical Drive Bay: 6X Blu-Ray Burner + 8X DVDRW/CDRW Super Multi Combo Drive (Sager)
- Wireless Network: Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0
- Fingerprint Reader: Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- Battery: Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)

Can't wait to get my hands on this beast!

 

I would have gone with the 4810MQ and a 1TB SSD with no HDD.

 

I think they're playing it safe. I can run 2133 ram overclocked to 2400 in my P370SM. Granted I'm using Prema's BIOS but it's doable, unless P377SM-A removed BIOS support for faster ram. But yeah past 1866 is really only useful for number chasing.

 

Congrats Marcus12! Thats a good looking build.

 

Yay for the trial and error phase of getting a brand new computer. Been having a lot of issues with overheating of my GPUs...or at least that's what I'm diagnosing it as. Get a black screen after playing a while but the fans were never kicking in before the black screen. Also I can still hear the game in the background or people talking with me on skype but I can't alt tab out or open task manager. I'm wondering if they overclocked my GPUs and it's causing some issues. Anyone know how to check to see if they OCed my GPUs or to cool them down a bit more?

 

Get GPU-Z and take a screenshot and post it here. Stock clocks should say 954, 1250 with 993 boost.

If the fans aren't kicking in, click in your tray, open up the icon that looks like two cs (mouse over its called hotkey) in here change the profile to quiet and then back to performance. The fans should kick in. Get HWMonitor and unigine Heaven, run heaven in a window and watch your GPU temps. If they go up to 87C and you don't hear the fan kick up on high, you have a problem.

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http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/14/06/18/9a6.png Doesn't look like they were OCed the first and the second are the same in this regard. They were at pretty understandable temps I was mistaking 30-40C as a bad number since I converted it and I always like to keep my temps under 90F but I guess that's not gonna happen with this rig. There was some wonky stuff going on with the drivers when I first rolled her out. And I had to update to the 337.88 today to get it under control. Yeah I just ran Heaven and I did hear them kick up a bit at 87C but then if you go under hotkey and click on max fans it's obvious that they were only turning on a little. Maybe meaning that the computer wasn't really too worried about how hot it was getting and it had to do with something other than that.

 

The fan will not max until the cards pass 90C. I believe it is set at 92C but don't quote me on that.

Sounds like its operating how its intended. These video cards are little fireballs... nothing can be done about that.

So switching the power profile worked then? These machines seem to have a buggy EC where you have to flip the profile every now and then because something will start getting too hot or whatever. As soon as you switch it though, it tends to work as it should.