*** Official Clevo P157SM-P150SM / Sager NP8250 Owner's Lounge ***

Try Bluescreenview to which file is this error related?

 

They want people to contribute to the community before moving on is all.

 

Hi Scerate,

The files that are related are hal.dll and ntoskrnl.exe.

 

Interesting problem then, i guess you installed with UEFI Disabled?

 

Spot on. I just did a reinstall right now but used the original drivers from Clevo (previous setup prior to having SSD)

 

What was the RAM model number? I tried asking Sager if BLAHBLAHBLAH is the model number for the Patriot RAM they are using, and they responded with "That is not a Sager serial number"... NO F****** S***!

I never would have thought that their customer service would be this terrible!

 

These:
Amazon.com: Patriot Signature DDR3 16GB (2 x 8GB) 1600MHz CL11 (PC3 12800) SODIMM Memory Module Kit PSD316G1600SK: Computers & Accessories

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If you want the info that I pull from the nb itself, you'll have to wait a bit.
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I see. Those were the sticks I was looking at. I was wondering if Sager had special OEM versions. Thanks!

 

IF they are OEM, they identify with identical values on all 4. BTW barcode/# on package actually matches amazon # as well... Amazon is kinda sloppy about those things usually, so I double checked...

 

Yeah, Amazon sometimes have bad/botched product information :/

 

OK, I just had the fans go ape on me, i.e. stay on full blast even after quitting a game. I managed this by playing Borderlands 2 after letting GF Exp. "optimize" the settings...

After quitting, and by the time rthat I checked in GPUz the GPU was down to 52C, via hwinfo the PCH was at an incredible 90.5C.
I can't believe that they didn't heatsink that puppy, wonder if it's worth investing in some of those small component/chipset sinks that people were buying for some of those Arm SBCs...

I guess that Skyrim & Civ V weren't enough to trigger the fan problem, and I should probably log temps while playing Borderlands 2 and see exactly where they're going...

 

Hey all,

I have a Sager P8250, Win 8 preinstalled - disc supplied with no product serial code card/sticker, RAID 0 Configuration with 2 M4 240gb Crucial SSDs. I installed some beta software requiring NET 4.5 support and after said installation, programs requiring Net 4.5 appear to be borked. I have spent a week now troubleshooting but am at the end. Lesson learned. Even with an initial system restore point, the computer doesn't appear to run "clean" anymore. Programs tend to crash where they did not before. Performance appears to suffer etc. Not to mention when I did roll back the system, it rolled off over 20 different program installations plus patches and I have a hard time believing everything is nice and tidy. *Edit: and one of the more annoying things happening which is making me go this route is the hotkey + LEDKB.exe no longer functions properly - I get a direct NET 4.5 error and dump so my backlit is stuck on straight blue with no ability to change intensity, color or even on and off*

It's been a while for me in the Windows world (Mac user). I am preparing to wipe the system clean and reinstall OS + original drivers etc. My question is: what are the pitfalls associated with reinstalling Windows 8.

Things I am a bit fuzzy on:
1. Product serial code for Win 8 - I am of the understanding the code is now embedded in the bios. With that, will I need it on a reinstall? If so, do I have to utilize a third party program to recover it?

2. When I wipe the system, will I have to worry about the RAID configuration or is that pretty much set up in the BIOS - I noted the BIOS controls it but I just want to make sure before I wipe it.

3. I completely admit I made a horrible rookie mistake by NOT imaging the baseline computer upon receipt. I was not concerned with data as I maintain my important documents on another machine.

4. I apologize for the apparent basic questions, but I could not get a firm answer with respect to this specific machine/configuration on other sites - i.e. my google fu needs practice.

5. Are there any recommendations for specific driver installation order?

6. Finally any general tips on the reinstallation process.

Thank you for taking the time to read the above.

 

If RAID is set through BIOS, then there should be no problem. I'm not sure because I never did RAID before, but I'm positive.
Also, there was no product key for Windows 8? You bought a Sager branded model, correct?

Was there a sticker on the bottom of the laptop/anywhere on the laptop that looked like this? http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/windows-8-stickers.jpg If so, the code should be embedded in the BIOS, but I'm not sure because Sager does the install. They may be using OEM disks

Or this: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLBv881y66GaRzAgZ-UD_x_3hOGaWOkaH7OS6T5oVel16UVt-eFg?

I'd go ahead and reinstall.

Just to make sure, those M4 SSDs are not MSata, correct?

 

Go ahead and report this to Sager directly if you wouldn't mind. They seem to think none are having fan or temp problems at least as of Friday when I spoke to them and due to lack of people reporting (besides forum posts) it doesn't help address it

 

Yay, received my Mythlogic Pollux 1613 today!
So far so good except the trackpad light wasn't disconnected like I instructed. EDIT: Turns out it was left connected because an upcoming BIOS rev. could disable it instead. I missed that note.

RAM was installed on the back side of the laptop instead of behind the keyboard (I forgot to ask them to do it reversed)
I'll have some extra fun installing the additional RAM I have.

So far I'm impressed with the laptop.

 

We don't put it under the keyboard, because the slots we did put them in are slot 0 for Channel A and B, and we've found less stability issues filling up the channels as standard (Slots 0 and then Slots 1), so thats why we do that =).. Its not hard to take the KB out if you need more ram

thanks!

 

Hey all, got my frequent BSODs resolved with my P150SM.

Turns out that I shouldn't be installing the drivers from Sager NP8250 even though they stated that it's for Windows 7. For Clevo,
the only thing that is not working based on the drivers that they have listed on the site are Realteak WIFI and Hotkey. For
this two drivers, you can grab it from Sager. And yes, the Windows 8 drivers for Clevo works with Windows 7.

 

So wait, you installed Drivers for the P157SM even though you got the P150SM? I mean most of the drivers should work, but some of the components are different (Touchpad, Sound drivers, etc.).

 

what he meant is he took the win8 drivers for the p150sm from the clevo page, which are exactly the same for 150sm and 157sm. just check the clevo.com.tw drivers section

---hawkforce luna2 p150sm-2x 8gb- gtx780m-128gb+256gb samsung 840 pro---

 

Yea, I knew the drivers are the same on the Clevo site. There's only one drop down selection, and that is: P150SM/P157SM/P170SM/P177SM.

He mentioned NP8250, which is the model number Sager has for the P157SM. Sager doesn't have the P150SM, so I thought that it was weird. In the end, that poster just worded it really weird, that's all.

 

hahaha ok ok

---hawkforce luna2 p150sm-2x 8gb- gtx780m-128gb+256gb samsung 840 pro---

 

Got my 8250 in the mail from Xotic PC. Had a couple questions. I installed my own MSATA and Windows 7 Ultimate. Is there anything I need to do in the BIOS to get the most out of the drive? Also did anyone else have any problems with getting the fingerprint driver to work? Any way to use the F keys on top so I don't have to always press Fn? My Old Envy had that option and I prefer that since I use the options more than say F5. Also any other tweaks or tips I should be aware of? Thanks

=Jason-

 

Your SATA ports are using AHCI, correct?

The top row of F1-F12 keys have subfuntions that are designed to work only when they are pressed together with the FN button. If it wasn't designed like this, those functions will activate whenever you pressed the F keys. For example, if a program told you to press F4, and the FN requirement was not there, your computer would go into sleep mode. As you may know, FN+F4 would activate sleep mode on Sager keyboards. You could probably change this if you know how to code. It's probably the Hotkey.exe program.

I wouldn't know because my laptop hasn't shipped yet.

 

I have no idea how to check my SATA ports or what AHCI is...

I would rather have it that if I need to press F4 then I would use FN+F4 because that isn't very often for me while I do use the volume, screen brightness, etc etc on a daily basis.

=Jason-

 

Go into the BIOS, Advanced. The SATA mode should say "AHCI". That should be default though. Pretty sure. If it's on IDE, changing it to AHCI requires extra steps such as booting into Windows, opening Regedit, and changing some stuff.

 

Hi sorry about that. I have a Clevo P150SM but opted to install Windows 7 X64. Seeing that Clevo doesn't offer drivers for Windows 7, I opted to download the one provided by Sager (particularly NP8250). But then,
I got frequent BSODs from their drivers so I reverted back to Clevo even though their driver offerings are only for Windows 8. But still it works well for Windows 7. Hope you understood the context

 

Yea, I got it. No worries! :hi2:

 

Well, I just got my 8250 today and so far im impressed, with one exception. The touchpad. I don't know if its a driver issue or just a difference between Sentelic and Synaptics but it is jumpy as all hell and drag and drop is almost unusable with the most up to date drivers and its seriously starting to me off. Any ideas?

 

The hardware is Sentelic, so it uses the Sentelic drivers.

I googled Sentelic and heard many complaints... I wish they went with Synaptics instead. The P150SM has a Synaptics touchpad.

 

ASSUMING same setup as the 8250-S then yes, they ship by DEFAULT from Sager AHCI...

mythlogic is making me queasy with their claims... my sager build came kb slots filled, no BSODs, filled compnent compartment, no BSODs, and the question of those "whql" win7 Intel 7260 drivers that they alone apparently have... sad to hear a local company ... don't know what to say unless they're using cheaper parts that fail, but from their customize pages it looks exactly like what sager uses at least for the bits that have detail.

(I REALLY wish ALL of these guys would DROP seagate. Their drives are pokey AND HOT running v. WD. Plus I've never had good longevity(usually die in 1m - 2y) on seagate drives, but have WD drives that are still running after a decade and more.)

Anyways, bought an ASUS RT-AC66R today. 802.11n rates are up even on my pathetic Intel 6100 in my MSI, although the Killer 1103 is not really showing improvements that I MIGHT have expected. Have some .ac adapters on the way now as I didn't realize how close worst buy was to online prices... oh well...

@biglightbt
Touchpad sucks horribly. For the first few weeks mine would suddenly stop responding directly/act like a second pointer device, e.g. mouse was active and moving(or fat finger pad) and you got jumpy behavior, however recently it's been behaving. Still not that great, but usable for most general apps, gaming... need a mouse..

 

I didn't want the rubberized touchpad on the 150, I was hoping that the touchpad on this one wouldn't be such a disaster. I actually rather like the illuminated emblem. It really does seem to be driver related though, the jumpyness seems to come and go ranging from nothing at all to side to side movement translating to up and down. I really would like to stay with Sager/Xotic but if this touchpad thing cant be fixed up I might have to return this and go with Mythlogic, all because of a touchpad


Edit -
Interestingly enough the touchpad seems to be improving on its own, I wonder if its surface just needed a healthy dose of finger grease to start registering correctly.

Also I've found a few nifty features that were implemented in the most recent hotkey release. I'm sure I saw it somewhere but FN+Numpad 5 toggles the backlit logo on the touchpad independent from everything else now! Good job sager! Also it seems that FN+1 (not F1, just the 1 key above the Q key) seems to force the system fans to max power should you need it.

EditEdit-
Am I losing my mind or does this laptop have some sort of built in dynamic contrast as part of the display drivers?

 

The trackpad light doesn't turn off through the hotkey.
I guess I need a newer BIOS?

 

No clue, on the version I have FN+Numpad 5 toggles the touchpad light and FN+Numpad 7, 8, or 9 toggles each of the three keyboard sections respectively. Still having some intermittent problems with the touchpad though. Seems to go between working perfectly then suddenly going haywire only to work reasonably well a few minutes later.

 

Well this is interesting. Looks like you gots some splainin' to do Sager, or perhaps Selentec. Just for fun I installed some arbitrary Selentec driver from 2009 that was supposed to run on an MSI computer. Holy crap, all the difference in the world, two finger gestures don't work anymore but the touchpad is more than useable! Looks like somebody needs to release some updated drivers

 

I also can not get my touchpad light to turn off and I just got the laptop in the mail. Anyone have a link for the new BIOS or whatever driver I need to get this to work. Also anyone else having problems with the fingerprint reader.

=Jason-

 

Keep an eye out for a new EC and software update.

 

hope new Bios too, with every BIOS Version i tried XTU isn't fully working apart from that, that you can even set the custom TDPs they are hardlocked somehow.

BTW just flashed modded 780M Bios mainly for running stock and undervolt but i tried 1010/3000

3DM11 9167

This thing is a beast, still dunno which 240W PSU i should get

 

If you guys got the machine from a Sager reseller or Sager directly, you can email them and they'll send you the updated BIOS/EC to get the hotkeys working.

 

So Derek, any tips on how to get the touchpad working better? The drivers that came with the laptop on the disc are terrible...just awful. I'm running a version of 8.5.5.2 right now designed for an MSI gaming laptop because the 9.4.3.7 drivers included are horrendous.

 

The guys here on the forums would likely know better than me on that, I don't have one of these machines in particular to personally know the difference or what issues you may be having that different versions may rectify. The touchpad opinion will be a personal one though, so I'd recommend checking a few different versions and finding the one that works best for you. Haven't heard too many complaints on the touchpad though.

 

Trackpad seems to work fine on my end (using the latest drivers Sager provides).
I mostly use my GX9 mouse, though.

 

Hi all, I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on the P157SM. I have one lingering concern however - the future upgradeability of the GPU. With Clevo's BIOS restrictions, would we be limited to GPUs that originally shipped with the laptop (770M, 780M, 8970M, etc.)? Or is it possible to modify the BIOS to allow upgrades to next-gen GPUs? Thanks.

 

Some users from various forums modify the BIOS to accept newer GPUs from newer generations, however it isn't guaranteed it would work.

 

Huh, dunno what to say. All that I know is that it was infuriating to use with the drivers provided by sager. I use my touchpad quite extensively for games like Kerbal Space Program and Minecraft and they were unplayable with Sagers drivers. I actually was somewhat curious about GPU forward compatibility with this system. I thought I read somewhere else that the system total TDP is technically limited to 180W since it has a single pin barrel connector instead of that giant 4 pin one. There probably is some headroom to work with but I'm pretty sure that barrel connector was only good for 180W.

 

You could always get a 240w PSU and splice a 5.5x2.5mm barrel connector on it. Many people have done so.

You can also use this with a Dell PA-9E 240w PSU: X75 Power Connector - 7.4 x 5.08mm Female Jack to 5.5 x 2.5mm Male Plug

Right now, it's out of stock. I'm talking with the seller about getting higher-rated tips. I already got them to use 16AWG wires in the new batch. Not sure they will change the tip though!

If you guys want a easy way, this is it. However, the tip is not rated for 10+ amps like the original Clevo/Sager charger. Please message the seller, Bixnet, on ebay and tell them you want a better tip on this product!

Bixnet's ebay page is: eBay My World - bixnet

 

I'm not talking about the power bricks rating. I was saying that I thought that I had read that the input connector that accepts the single pin barrel connector is physically limited to 180W or it starts generating excess heat. I could be wrong though.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/681885-recommed-180w-220w-power-supply-p150em.html talks more about the PSU issues.

It's true these type of connections are limited, though it's not to 180w it's just limited to 10amps (IF the good ends like on the PSU that come with laptop and not these other cables) and our PSU only push about 9.5a anyway. Not to mention using a larger PSU doesn't mean the laptop is going to suck ALL of it, just gives it more play room and allows it to get a little more when it randomly peaks. I don't see going 1amp over hurting much, so long as good tip and not these cheap ones we seem to have found

IF these had been 190w PSU I wouldn't bother. That extra 10w is a lot to someone like me. My new laptop will have 780m + 4900 CPU. that's 100-122w for GPU and 47w for CPU which really can spike up to about 58w. Doesn't really leave anything left for USB's drives, ram, screen etc... On my current laptop with all my USB and drive bays and memory dims full I can't max it out or it turns off due to power. My work around is I disable the internal screen once windows boots so it gives it the breathing room and I just use my big external monitor...

These new laptops the 780m uses beyond just 100w, it's really closer to 122 not to mention they add these trackpad LED's etc to suck more power lol and more drive bays... They also downclock the 780m to 771 from the 823 reference speed to help account for power increase but it's still somewhat over the 100w. The haswell CPU design for what we are doing isn't really saving us power. It moved the volt reg from MB to CPU and CPU went from 45 to 47. So say it saved 1w maybe though lol. They focused more on graphics. Now the lower end lower power ones do a lot better but they can't have 780m fun like we can!

The pin itself is not physically limited in that it just wont work, but it was not designed for more due to size.

Now the laptops do have some control over what they will and won't allow power wise. While it won't allow you to suck a full 240w it will allow you to go over the 180w as they try to give a little wiggle to account for peaks and spikes.

 

Ah I got ya. This touchpad thing is still making me rage though.

 

My backlit keyboard just stopped working, its lit...but i cant open the program to change the colors and or effects. I also cant turn it on or off. Any know a way to fix it?

 

Uninstall Hotkey.exe and reinstall it.