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    I bought my FIRST REAL UPGRADEABLE LAPTOP! I spent $1,100 USD. How did I do?

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by tps3443, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. tps3443

    tps3443 Notebook Virtuoso

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    P750TM1-G 15.6" 144HZ G-Sync display
    Unlocked prema bios
    Intel i7 8086K Delidded and LM
    2x8GB 2666Mhz DDR4
    MXM GTX1080 8GB
    512GB M.2 NVME PCIe SSD
    330 Watt power supply included.
    Windows 10 Professional


    Excellent condition! Very lightly used, all for /\ $1,176 US dollars. it will be here in a few days! I am super excited. Ready to overclock to death, and run some bechmarks. This setup is mostly for gaming and I cant wait to get back in!


    in the future I will definitely upgrade to a 9900KS. Not sure if a RTX2080 is worth it or not at only 1080P just yet though.


    My last laptop in my signature was a freak of nature. it was a embedded GTX1070 Aorus X7 V7 that was breaking 20,500+ in firestrike graphics. So, I am very curious to see how far I can push a real MXM GTX1080.
     
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    1176 dolars for it? That's almost free for those specs. I paid almost 2800 dolars for mine back in the day lol. Awesome :)
     
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    Damn, talk about the value. Nice grab
     
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    Congratulations my friend. Last year I spend like 5k on my laptop and yours even have better processor

    Enviado desde mi G8441 mediante Tapatalk
     
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    Here are a few pictures of it from the add. It’ll be here probably Monday.


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    Now that's a great purchase you can be proud off! Nice one
     
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    Insane deal. I wonder which version of the heatsink this one has.
     
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    Anyone know which vendor this laptop came from? What does the “G” mean on the lid? Any ideas?

    Or is it a Sager with some letters removed lol. I just thought of this.
     
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    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Great find, 8086k is a very fun chip to OC!
     
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    He said it would run 5Ghz with -120mv undervolt on the 8086K. And +175/+500 on the gtx1080
     
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    Dude! +rep! seriously, job well done! awesome machine for an even more awesome price!
     
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    Searching craigslist, eBay, and forums for hours on end for about 6 days straight every single day.

    I saw this one pop up Thursday morning very early.

    it was actually $1,100. I had to pay $72 for shipping.

    I was getting frustrated searching for the right laptop, and I nearly purchased a BGA laptop with RTX2070’s a couple time. As I had made several offers on plenty of machines.

    I have wanted a Sager/Clevo laptop since X79 days or LGA2011. And I finally found one!
     
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    I use to be more familiar with these machines as I read about them so much on the forums just drooling in jealousy as I continued to use my BGA laptop lol.

    which heatsinks could be on this machine?

    when it arrives I will go investigating inside of the machine and I’ll post plenty of pictures.
     
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    The -g designates models with internal screen g-sync (they all support external display g-sync)
     
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    So, is it a pretty safe bet that this laptop has 1920x1080 144hz ips panel? I hope it is IPS.
     
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    The 144hz panel will be 1080p.
     
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    There are two heatsink versions on this model, one for 1060/1070 GPU and one for 1080:

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    Yes the 144Hz panel is IPS.
     
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    I think he was talking about the lone G on the lid, which does look like someone simply removed the rest of the letters from the Sager logo.
     
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    hey this laptop is a total G for sure!
     
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    My baby finally came!!




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    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Congrats! Let the tuning begin ;)
     
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    Looking good!

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    Total overkill for Skyrim. :D
     
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    Haha. Minimum spec.
     
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    Upon further investigation, it looks like it has the gtx1080 cooling setup.

    someone installed the Thermalpads with a very small dab of thermal paste on each memory module under the thermal pads lol.

    when I powered it on for the first time, 5GHZ was already running on all cores with a -0.140 undervolt applied. I increased the uncore to x46.

    seems extremely stable honestly. I doubt it will have the thermal headroom for a serious stress test like A AVX cpu torture test “have not tested yet” But, it does stay under very well 90 degrees in any game I’ve tested.

    it doesn’t throttle!! Yay!

    GPU limited games allow CPU temps to sit even lower around 60-65C. Like Ark Survival Evolved averaging around 50+ FPS with a much higher GPU temp in the low 80’s with a hefty hefty overclock

    I have not seen a single crash. And I’ve mostly been gaming since I got it. I’ve been deprived lol. I’ll do some further tweaking tomorrow evening. And benchmarking. My home internet sucks, so it is tough to download things quickly.








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    Incredible temps!!!! Wow. I was extracting, installing, and running torrents in the background with the 85C cpu temps, all while gaming. I’m blown away!!


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    Frame rate uncapped Now. Slightly higher CPU/GPU Temps and utilization. A little more work being done lol. Still amazing though!

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    How the hell did you manage such a steal?
    That's almost free for the specs you got. That's literally like buying a laptop version of a desktop without the price inflation, which is completely unheard of.
    The GPU and CPU together is about $1k.

    Take care of that thing, man. Not everyone comes across such bargains.
    And how was it in such good shape? Was it from NBR?
     
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    Paste on pads just adds another thermal interface lol.
     
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    I lived on eBay for about 5-7 days straight searching.

    I made the offer within seconds of this one popping up.
     
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    Best laptop in the world lol I love it!
     
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    My last Aorus X7 V7 could never manage such stability. That thing would BSOD stock sometimes lol.

    day and night difference here utilizing a much better cpu with good binning, and better quality chipset and motherboard.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Aorus is a Jokebook. It will burn up before or later. Often right after the warranty is expired.

    Congrats with the Clevo.
     
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    I was benchmarking it at 4.72Ghz at really high voltage sitting outside in the freezing cold. I did that way to much. It just wasn’t cut out for the stress I was putting on it.
     
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    That's laptop XOC for you :p
     
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    I’m going to get in to some memory tweaking this evening, I am at like CAS 19 so maybe I can tighten those up some. Then I need to order the parts to flash my TDP higher on my gtx1080.

    Im certain I can squeeze some more juice out of this thing. I have not attempted higher than 5GHZ. I think I’m good right where I’m at. It is 100% Rock solid stable. 5Ghz is enough!
     
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    The real problem with Pascal is how heat affects GPU Boost 3.0, mainly the card will downclock in 12Mhz steps for every few degrees above 60c. Which is why most here try and find that balance in a voltage/frequency curve for best performance.

    Flashing a higher TDP will not solve this problem, and most likely just result in quicker and harder throttle.

    So when you overclock your card to +175/500Mhz, you can see that it already drops clocks from 2050Mhz at 62c to 1974Mhz at 68c.
     
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    Its why I like my Ranger, 54C is typically my load temp and in the winter time right now load temp is around 44-46c.

    Now if only my CPU was as easy to tame lol
     
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    Yea I’ve been running just +100 on the core as any higher does nothing. And it is hard to believe my CPU runs so much cooler than the GPU does.

    liquid metal is tempting for the GPU in this case.
     
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    It likely due to what's getting hit more, the cpu or gpu as they both dump the heat into the unified heatsink. About the liquid metal, if you do go that route, you might need to change to thinner thermalpads. So that the contact between gpu die and heatsink is optimal. My older p775tm1 needed a 0.5mm copper shim between gpu die and heatsink as it was warped slightly.
     
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    I’ve gotten a little rusty with overclocking. Usually I’m power limited with video cards. And this gtx1080 is certainly limited by the temps.

    I think I need to remove the heatsink and repaste even though it was just done by previous owne?. It is running 85-90C in very heavy GPU intensive games like Ark Survival evolved around 1,898mhz boost with 100% GPU utilization.

    cpu is always cruising along at low temps lol.
     
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    The GTX 1080 is hot GPU. There’s a reason only two 15.6” systems to my knowledge, the GT63 and P750TM1-G, have ever had a full power 1080 inside. Undervolting it helps a lot with the heat output/temps, but I had to put LM on mine to keep it from thermal throttling when running stock or OCed.
     
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    Locking the voltage/frequency curve to around ~0.850 to 0.950mV seems to be the sweet spot, if you're combating the thermals.
     
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    Is this gtx1080 In my P750TM1 190TDP or 200TDP watt? It certainly feels like it with all this clock headroom and thermal limitations.

    I think HWinfo will show me if I’m not mistaken.
     
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    It’s 190W but can spike to 200W in my experience.
     
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    What's you ambient temperatura? In my case the CPU max temp is pretty dependent on ambient temperature.

    On the other hand I read somewhere that high temperatures won't hurt the CPU. You can go 24/7 with 90ºC+... at 100ºc the CPU will thermal throttle though
     
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    it runs 5Ghz solid 24/7 CPU temps are always below 90C. Highest CPU temps I’ve ever seen was 88C during Intel burn test pass.
     
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    Especially at higher speeds every chip is quite different and the thermal sensors are not lab accurate so expect a couple of degrees of variance though better as they approach throttle as that's where it really matters.
     
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    My GPU shows a factory overclock of 1,657mhz base and 1,847Mhz boost in GPU-z by default. This is a Sager laptop so just curious is this overclocked by default?

    msi afternurner shows only 1,557 though. Not sure why the 1,657 is not sticking right out of the gate.

    Because the 1,657Mhz is default. Does Sager factory overclock these?
     
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    Yes there were some factory overclock models.
     
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