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    HTWingNut's Sager NP7330 / Clevo W230ST REVIEW

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, Jul 21, 2013.

  1. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    They decided to lock it down when they got an increased volume of returns iirc.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 16, 2014
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  2. JOSEA

    JOSEA NONE

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    For anyone that has recently received one of the mini-beasts with full HD what brand display panel did you get and are you happy with it? TIA, J

    Thanks for preparing me for the worst... I guess I will roll the dice anyway
     
    JOSEA, Jan 17, 2014
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    Ellatan Old Timer

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  4. Mr.Koala

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    This panel seems to have a lot of bleeding issues. Otherwise it's a nice one.
     
    Mr.Koala, Jan 17, 2014
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  5. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    The screen bleeding is because of the (AAS) Azimuthal Anchoring Switching which is very similar to IPS. Its does give you better color accuracy and better viewing angles but you will see more bleed compared to TN panels. It is something good to know ahead of time though so you dont think its a defective screen.
     
    Support.3@XOTIC PC, Jan 17, 2014
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  6. lastnikita

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    The issue seems to affect more or less the screens, from almost no bleed to huge backlight blees which can cover +20% screen.
    I'm not sure from which point you can consider the screen as defective, but I sure wouldn't stay with the worst ones.
     
    lastnikita, Jan 17, 2014
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  7. JOSEA

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    I had the same question but did not find an answer in the thread TIA, Josea
     
    JOSEA, Jan 17, 2014
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  8. Mr.Koala

    Mr.Koala Notebook Virtuoso

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    At least in the official BIOS, no. But why do you want to do it?
     
    Mr.Koala, Jan 17, 2014
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  9. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Only the Mod let's you disable the dGPU, enable ASPM etc...
    In the Sates Mythlogic or in Europe PWNPCS offer a version of the Mod as standard for their customers. ;)
     
    Prema, Jan 18, 2014
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  10. odin2free

    odin2free Notebook Enthusiast

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    Anyway to disable completely the igpu outside of nvidia control panel?
    Know I can remove all components related to the igpu by driver (and hunting install locations and deleting registry values and cleaning house).
    Think that this is the only way to do so, id really like to keep the processor as cool as i can by not having something stand by to be used just want to disable it fully

    Is HPET enforced on this and the only way to work around it is by using a resolution timer?
    Cooling being the issue, I suppose that the Setting is enforced and only can use the resolution timer..


    Unless, It is under the UEFI bios for win7 which is not for some reason liking me even with full default settings,

    csm launchvideoOProm-uefi
    eufi boot "others"
     
    odin2free, Jan 24, 2014
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  11. Mr.Koala

    Mr.Koala Notebook Virtuoso

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    If you disable the iGPU the screen will just go black. You can't.
     
    Mr.Koala, Jan 24, 2014
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  12. odin2free

    odin2free Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hmm
    So intels gpu has to be running always even when not in use...Interesting, so your forced to use driver control software...kinda lame dont want to use intel gpu at all just want to disable that fully and be done with it and leave nvidia to control graphics instead (even though they removed scaling options for the 332.21)

    Kinda lame

    and I will keep saying kinda lame lol
     
    odin2free, Jan 24, 2014
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  13. lastnikita

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    Non-sense, the dGPU would make it heat more than the iGPU, since they share the same heat-pipe and the nvidia is way hotter.
     
    lastnikita, Jan 24, 2014
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  14. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Optimus requires the hardware layout.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 25, 2014
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  15. xi7

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    [​IMG]
    any1 check Aida64 - benchmark , GTX 765M and GTX 770M -
    GPGPU - TEST TOOLS. SCORE
     
    xi7, Jan 31, 2014
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  16. cmack88

    cmack88 Newbie

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    I just got a W230ST and the edge of the keyboard where your wrists rest is very sharp/rough. Chafes your wrist after moving your hand back and forth from touchpad to keyboard. I contacted Sager (via retailer I bought machine from) and they said it was a known issue, but didn't offer any help/resolution for me (aside from saying that they "hope it'll be fixed on future models").

    Although that response was frustrating to hear, this machine does have all the specs I'm looking for in a small laptop (except for the chafing, I didn't order that). So, rather than just return it, I was wondering if there is an easy fix (assuming others have had this issue too)? Was thinking of getting some 600 grit sandpaper and seeing if maybe I could round out the edges of the wristwrest a bit.

    Anyone confronted this issue? Is this a bad omen and I should just ship it back and get another one (or something different)?
    Thanks.
     
    cmack88, Mar 6, 2014
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  17. frewster

    frewster Notebook Consultant

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    Take a picture and specify where exactly it's rough. I've never had that sort of a problem.
     
    frewster, Mar 6, 2014
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  18. sisqo_uk

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    Is this laptop backwards compatible with 2nd and 3rd gen CPUs.
     
    sisqo_uk, Mar 9, 2014
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  19. Mr.Koala

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    No.

    Haswell only.
     
    Mr.Koala, Mar 9, 2014
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  20. Meaker@Sager

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    Yep, the integrated VRM circuitry changed the requirements quite a bit.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 10, 2014
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  21. sisqo_uk

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    Thanks for this. I was hoping it was. disappointing.
     
    sisqo_uk, Mar 10, 2014
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  22. Meaker@Sager

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    Well there would be no point in downgrading since any frequency gain you get over haswell is cancelled by the higher performance per Mhz.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 11, 2014
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  23. brinker

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    After about half a years use, I seem be struggling with heat again. I've just re-pasted it twice (Arctic Silver 5) - I'm still in the mid/high 60's C in idle, despite being undervolted by -85mv and multipliers down to 32x, 30x and 28x, 1, 2, 3&4 cores respectively. My friend have the exact same setup as me, although with an SSD in place of my HDD, and I recently re-pasted his, now only around 55C in idle... His CPU is on same setup as mine, in regards of undervolt and underclock. I can't seem to undervolt more (on mine anyway), as it will then crash in games. Any ideas what to do? Have some Arctic Cooling MX4 paste I could try as well, though the AS5 should be better, right?
     
    brinker, Mar 15, 2014
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  24. lastnikita

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    You get a more consistant point of comparison under load, idle temps are subject to many factors.
     
    lastnikita, Mar 15, 2014
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  25. brinker

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    I still shouldn't be that high in idle. I used to have it at low 60's.. :/
    His is around 90-91C load, whereas mine is around 88-89C. That's just strange. Very strange.
     
    brinker, Mar 15, 2014
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  26. lastnikita

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    depends on bios version, length of use... clevo favored the noise, which is a good thing imho, but it means you may get higher temps on idle so that the fan doesn't spin.
    Once it's loaded then idled / cooled down, with the same bios version & paste job you should get similar temps.
     
    lastnikita, Mar 15, 2014
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  27. brinker

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    His is a month newer than mine. We're both running latest PremaMod bios.. And as I did the pasting on both, they should be pretty close to similar. My fan, does exactly spin in idle, that's what annoys me the most. Lowest speed, not much to hear - but as mine idles above 65C, the fan is on at all times...
     
    brinker, Mar 15, 2014
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  28. lastnikita

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    Maybe something keeps your cpu frequency higher than it should, you may wanna try his ssd on yours if you can't see anything.
    Or maybe flash again, something went wrong with mine once (probably on the EC part), and a reflash solved it, worth trying.
    I know tools like speedfan can mess up a firmware too.
     
    lastnikita, Mar 16, 2014
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  29. brinker

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    It should be added that I'm running mSata with additional HDD for storage and heavier programs and games.
    I'll try a reflash. No speedfan here. Also checked for unwanted CPU activity, but nothing to be found.
     
    brinker, Mar 16, 2014
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  30. jaug1337

    jaug1337 de_dust2

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    Man is this machine strong :D
     
    jaug1337, Jun 10, 2014
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    Do you know if there is a BIOS update? I couldn't find it on Clevo or Sager website, but I saw a few of them elsewhere.
     
    hungle, Dec 28, 2014
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    I'd get the latest from prema ;)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 28, 2014
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    hungle, Dec 28, 2014
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    Hi guys,

    I'm looking into upgrading my GPU in the coming month (I'd like to be able to run The Witcher 3). Has it been done by anyone here?

    I'm not sure what would fit the laptop regarding sizing and heat...


    Cheers from France :)
     
    tosrn, Jan 15, 2015
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  35. Mr.Koala

    Mr.Koala Notebook Virtuoso

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    On W230ST? No, it can't be done. The GPU is not removable.
     
    Mr.Koala, Jan 15, 2015
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    Oh, Ok. For some reason I thought it was possible

    Thanks for the answer
     
    tosrn, Jan 15, 2015
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    Yes it's soldered in, only the p machines from clevo in the 1 xx, 3xx and 5xx are (of the relatively modern series).
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 16, 2015
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  38. Ghengis

    Ghengis Notebook Consultant

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    tsorn, if you want a better video card, you'd probably be better off selling your W230ST and buying this year's model -- you'd probably only lose a bit more than the cost of a (usually quite expensive) mobile video card module.
     
    Ghengis, Jan 17, 2015
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  39. hungle

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    I'm wondering if anyone has this issue. When I put my Transcend SDHC 8GB class 10 into the card reader, the switch on the card is automatically changed to lock position. I can't modify the card on my laptop. I tried to do it many times, but no matter what position I put the card in, the switch is always at lock position. Why???? I didn't use the card reader much, but it bothers me.

    Also, does anyone have any problem with the paint where your palms rest? My hands sweat, and the paint comes off badly.
     
    hungle, Mar 24, 2015
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  40. HTWingNut

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    It's an issue with the paint on the laptop. I bought a sheet of screen protector and cut it to size to put on my palm rest to eliminate that.
     
    HTWingNut, Mar 25, 2015
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    Funny enough, the palm rests are fine for me but the touchpad has a worn-through spot right in the middle. Same paint I guess? Doesn't affect operation, so it doesn't really bother me.

    Also: if anybody is having heat issues, have you cleaned your fan? I finally got around to opening mine up because it was idling at "medium" speed (?) any time I left it in the Performance profile. The heat sink fins were clogged with a year's worth of dog hair and airflow had to have been cut at least in half. Two minutes with the tweezers and I can't hear it at all unless I'm taxing the dGPU, good as new. Anybody can do it!
     
    Ghengis, Mar 25, 2015
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    It's good to hear some people having the same issue. I didn't use the touchpad much, but I believe there will be the same problem. I contacted XoticPC when it first occurred in 2013, but I never got a reply. For my next laptop I will put something on the palm rest.

    Does anyone have a problem with a SD card? I wonder if it happens for a specific card only or in general? I don't have another SD card to try. Thanks.
     
    hungle, Mar 25, 2015
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