HTWingNut's Sager NP6110 / Clevo W110ER First Look & Review

Aww nuts. I hope it's a 13". Maybe I'll hold off on buying my NP9150 for a bit then.

 

Why did I have to read that. I can't order the w110er if there is indeed a chance a 13" might be on it's way...

Oh, well...

 

Soon in the computer world and in this case is most likely half a year or so... it's going to be a while

edit: got several PM's now, I am not STATING or DECLARING anything, it might or might not happen

thanks for listening

 

True, thanks for the info, though

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I dunno, I thought I wanted a 13" laptop until I got this 11.6". I'm very happy with this form factor, I don't think I could move back to bigger laptops now.

 

I love everything about this W110ER. Just wish it had a slightly larger screen and higher resolution at times. 1600x900 13" would be perfect IMHO. With that they could have a 660m with GDDR5.

 

fingers crossed on the 13 inch. if that somehow gets released...i'll be drooling all over it.

 

Well, I'm ready to jump on an NP9150. If a 13" comes around the corner then it will be the ONLY laptop I'll need. Well for a about six months, lol. If the same guts of the W110ER were in a 13" at 1600x900 I'd be overly satisfied to be honest, as long as it had GDDR5.

 

They could easily get 1600x900 and GDDR5 in this 11.6", I feel they just made it as is, to test the waters and see if there is a market for a non Alienware 11.6". Pretty sure the W110ER is a hit for Clevo, and I expect a more appropriate revision in 6 months to a year with a slightly improved heatsink (better CPU and GPU contact), 900p with matte option and a more powerful GDDR5 GPU.

 

I do believe the omission of GDDR5 was due to heat. The system already turns off CPU turbo with dedicated GPU active. Adding GDDR5 would increase heat considerably. Using ThrottleStop to turn on Turbo with dGPU it gets quite toasty, like CPU @ 95C toasty. So I'm sure adding more heat, according to their testing, would not have met their cooling system TDP target criteria.

 

Mine works ok. I mostly use it plugged into an external monitor.

 

Hey HTWingNut great article you have produced. I have had my eye on this beauty for a while now and reckon when the tax comes through next month I might have to treat myself!

Sorry to ask you a question you've most likely already answered but my search function keeps saying 'invalid_search_query' when I try search for arma2 or arma within this thread.

I understand you have ran a benchmark with this machine, I just can't seem to find it. If you wouldn't mind linking me to it, I'd be grateful. I read through the first 20-30 pages and the search thing simply isn't working. I couldn't see it in the OP either. Sorry for the hassle.

Thanks,
Baz

 

The search function is bugged as hell.

You'd be better off using google likewise:

Code:

site:forum.notebookreview.com arma clevo w110er

good luck

 

Yes I did run it. Let me look. The search is definitely a pain in the rear here though. Google is marginally useful though.

If I can't find it I'll run it again. I have to refresh my benchmarks anyhow.

 

Thanks for this mate, I think this work just fine!

No problems mate, think this google search will do just fine thanks!

EDIT: For future reference there she is! http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/660753-htwingnuts-sager-np6110-clevo-w110er-first-look-review-40.html#post8529455

 

I will run with ThrottleStop using CPU @ max turbo and max GPU speed (1085MHz GPU / 1100MHz vRAM) and post here later.

 

To be fair those stats from your first go at running it are pretty impressive imo. more than playable with the appropriate tweaks in the settings. Would be interesting to see how it does with the ThrottleStop though

 

man. clevo, tell us if theres a 13 inch on the rise!

 

Wow. %@!^!@$ I just ordered a 6110....

 

It'll be in 6 months. Can you wait 6 months? -_-

HT, I really want to see the benchmark break 3000 points XD

 

I think it is more due to their power draw target. Most GDDR5 implementations that I've have been uncovered chips. We're pushing against the 90W PSU with everything going as it is right now and I'm thinking some exec got shown a 120W Generic vs a 90W Generic and said "Its a small laptop, it needs the smaller PSU"

It would have been nice if they had developed or had someone develop a 120W mini PSU like you can find in the 90W size but this is Clevo. I don't think they've ever used a custom PSU or any of their laptops. I haven't had any luck finding a 120W mini PSU. There are some nice and small 90W ones That are 1/2 the volume of the Generic 90Wthat the laptop comes standard with.

 

Are you sure they will hold up on load as well as the original PSU does, though ?

 

I ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-12...33336US/dp/tech-data/B000FDP9TO/ref=de_a_smtd

I don't have my sager yet so I'm crossing my fingers that one of the tips will work. The supply is nice and small though and at $35 it's dirt cheap.

 

PLEASE let us know how that works out. I didn't see any dimensions but the fact that it is "ultraportable" makes me hopeful as well that one of the tips work. Thanks

 

I'll be watching for feedback on that PSU as well. Thanks for being the guinea pig!

Here's the only specs I can find on it: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?in...il-_-newarrivals_html-_-17Jul10-_-K33336US-BP

It says Voltage 0-24v. Not sure how it can know?

 

HTWingNut et al, thanks so much for all the info in this thread. Took me a few days to get through it all bit by bit, but the end result is that I have ordered an NP6110 via XoticPC - I should have it in a week or so.

I went the i7-3610QM route with the GT650M, 8GB of 1600MHz RAM and a 750GB hybrid drive. Also got them to put on IC Diamond paste (CPU & GPU) - I've replace the tim on my desktop PC so many times I figured I'll just give them the few extra $ and save myself the bother

This is actually my very first laptop.. yes, I am a LAPTOP VIRGIN!!! LOL.. well, except for my work-supplied Dell Lattitude E6400 which is a steaming pile of unpleasantness so I don't really count that.

Will be interesting transitioning from my desktop - I run a high-end desktop (water cooled o/c'ed i7-980, 2 x GTX580 (SLI), 12GB dominators, 240GB Intel 520 SSD etc., the whole nine yards... and a 24" panel).

My main requirement was mobility, and the NP6110 definitely scores high there at under 4lbs (with battery). A close 2nd was reasonable graphics, and the 2GB GT650M appears to do the job well, particularly for the size of the NP6110. The quad core is added bonus. The recent message about a 13" with GT660M had me hesitating for a moment.. but that could be many months away, so I pulled the trigger on the NP6110 (was a little concerned the 11.6" might be too small)..

Would like to see much more options in the BIOS - that Sager BIOS really is bare bones.. heck, can't even turn off HT!

Also scored a Zalman NC-1500 mini cooler already, and scored some Sennheiser in-ear headphones for way cheap at Newegg.. down from $89.95 to $19.95 for a couple of days ( link).

I am hoping that Kensington ultra-portable power brick linked in recent posts does the job - I saw there were only a few left, and the 71% discount is probably only temporary, so I went ahead and ordered one. If it can cover my cellphone etc as well, I will be stoked.

That's all - just thanks again HTWingNut for all the testing and mods etc, I am thinking I will be very pleased carrying this little beast when I am out & about / commuting to work etc. If the BIOS mods mentioned a few pages back work out stable, I wouldn't mind having a thrash. Is there a link for that custom BIOS, or not until after stable dev is complete?

Sorry, bit of a wall of text

Cheers!

 

Go here for the BIOS: Prema Mod

 

nereus333 your 3610qm is faster than a 980x on superpi.

Mobile Processors - Benchmarklist - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

HTWingNut thank you for the link - I note Prema's BIOS can even turn off HT

Regarding the Kensington PSU - mine was delivered today (impressive - I only ordered a day ago). The tips (interchangeable adapters) are color coded. There’s only two colors to select from - blue or green. Blue is suitable for 14-17V batteries and green for those requiring 17-21V.

One of the tips is a blue coded USB adapter, which is an option for many cellphones / kindle etc. There are 10 other tips, all with the green color code (laptops requiring 17-21V). The NP6110 input is 19V, so the power output from the Kensington should be fine (I believe the tips have resistors built in to regulate current). It's just a matter of choosing which tip end matches the tip on the Sager-supplied power brick.. the 10 tips supplied cover most major laptop manufacturers, so unless Sager/Clevo have gone with some proprietary tip (which I doubt), one of these should fit... just waiting for my laptop to arrive to find out!

Not when my 980 is running stable at 4.5GHz

 

So i was thinking last night if i wanted to jump on the w110er, and then i recalled how in the beginning, pictures were released. It took me a bit to find them, but, the link that was posted had a laptop very similar to the w110er, but was a 13 inch that was used to compare it.

Perhaps this is the 13 inch they might release. I could be wrong...please correct me if I am, but, i thought i should bring it up to make sure.

 

Hmm.. something looks wrong.. is it just me, or does the 11.6" screen in that photo look like it has almost a 4:3 or 3:2 aspect ratio? I thought the NP6110 was supposed to be 16:9, although I'm still waiting on delivery. If the screen really is as 'boxy' as it looks in this photo, I'll be sending it back and waiting for a 13" instead.



Here's a pic from Sager's website.. aspect ratio does not look the same as the photo above, to me.. maybe it's just the angle? Can someone who already has the NP6110 please measure the viewable screen width & height for me? I calculated screen would be close to 9.7" x 5.5" ..is it?



..for about $300 more than the NP6110 I could get an Alienware M14x with high def 1600x900 res.. and that's with backlit keyboard, 2GB 650M DDR5 GPU, and DVD slot (or interchange for a slot HD maybe).. hmmm... but it weighs about 2lbs more.. plus Alienware quality has apparently taken a dive in recent times.. Gah.. I hate second guessing myself.

Has anyone noted down any increase in temps when plugging in a larger panel? I have a spare 20" native 1680x1050 LCD monitor.. just wondering how much more work this would put on the system, and the resulting increase in CPU/GPU temps, for example playing BF3. If it's only a few degrees then no worries of course.

Kinda surprised Sager/Clevo put an HDMI port on there, yet the other port is an older VGA (CRT) type, instead of DVI. I would think the DVI connection is far more prevalent than VGA these days. Maybe they just couldn't squeeze in the extra couple of millimeters? Still, an adapter only costs a couple of bucks so I guess it's a moot point..

 

The NP6110 is 16:9 1366x768. It's probably just then angle of the photo that makes it look that way. The actual visible portion of the screen is about 10.1" x 5.75".

The M14x actually has the same volume and weight as a 15" laptop, so there's a significant difference in size compared with the NP6110.

No increase in temps. Maybe a bit hotter because it's driving a larger resoulution.

Also HDMI is pretty much standard. You can get an HDMI to DVI adapter for a few bucks if needed. They're both the same digital signal, only HDMI carries audio along with it. I'm surprised they didn't offer a DisplayPort instead of VGA though because you can convert DisplayPort to VGA easily too, they're both analog (well DP can carry digital signal too).

 

Thanks HTWingNut - that viewable portion sounds more like what I expected

Good point about M14x weight/size - that is one of my main reasons for getting the NP6110. I just have to keep reminding myself of that, lol.

Glad to hear the bigger panel makes little difference in temps, thanks for the reassurance.

p.s. Firefly : Best.Series.Ever. I have the Firefly series and Serenity movie on DVD and both are among my all-time favorites, even after multiple viewings. No matter who I mention it to, everyone says the same thing; Firefly was awesome - why the heck did the networks cancel the series? Morons.

 

So true. Actually I'm going to re-watch(?) the series right now. Thanks

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Blame Fox network. They fubar'd the series apparently by playing episodes out of order and switching nights a couple times. It is an awesome show.

 

This is the Clevo/Sager W110ER/N6110 next to a m14x at my local Fry's:

Spoiler

With the 11.6" Clevo ontop of the M14x:

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And between the M14x and a 15.6" Asus who's model number I forget:

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My desktop is a 4:3 picture I took myself to give you a comparison of the ratio. I've got it set to fill but not stretch so the photo is still 4:3 in ratio.

The picture quality isn't great as it is my nearly 3 year old HD2's built in camera but the guys at Fry's, as I found out, don't like you taking photographs in the store. It is due to some rule that is to keep competitors from learning their secret layout. v0v Doesn't make much sense to me but I've never worked in retail.

 

hey guys!
i am new here thinking about getting a w110er so looking thru i noticed that mythlogic offers cpus better than 3610QM like 3720QM and since they are faster they should generate more heat right? so does anyone have it? that is 3720QM cpu in w110er? is it stable? or does it cause heat/stability issues? thanks in advance

and was reading thru and i like netbooks more than laptops so i think i'll pass the 13 incher if it exists/coming soon
the most thing i'm worried about right know is to which seller to get the w110er from as i am not in the USA and i use aramex shop and ship plan (in other words if anything goes wrong i can't send the laptop back) :/ so i need one that has the best packing for shipping so far best i could find is Xoticpcs white glove service :/

oh and sorry for the wall of text (if you'd consider it a wall of text)

 

3720QM will run hotter at peak loads. But generally not much more with general use. As far as shipping and warranty I don't know.

 

great thanks so i think it would be either Mythlogic or Xoticpc then.......

 

Would getting an i7-3820QM be overkill and lead to more problems like more heat and less battery life?

Out of the these which would be the best? Price does not matter, but performance/stability is a big thing. PS great thread HTWingNut - great help for research and I am interested in getting one of these

i7-3610QM 2.3-3.3Ghz Turbo
i7-3720QM 2.6-3.6Ghz Turbo
i7-3820QM 2.7-3.7Ghz Turbo

 

Honestly, unless you do LOTS of compiling, video/audio encoding, compression, etc, the i7-3610QM is MORE than powerful enough for anything you throw at it. The benefits you get from 3720QM is VT-d, 300MHz CPU clock, and HD 4000 125MHz faster. 3820QM is a complete waste IMHO. It only offers 100MHz more clock speed than 3720QM and nothing more, well 8MB cache vs 6MB but that will not be noticed. If you can afford it, 3720QM isn't a bad investment, but waste of money if you don't need to take advantage of its features or added performance.

And by LOTS of compiling, encoding etc, I mean daily, many hours a day will you really see any advantage mainly because it will complete more quickly, but honestly, it's only something like 5 minutes on every hour. You can overclock the HD 4000 with Prema's BIOS to 1300-1400MHz anyhow. And VT-d is a pretty specialized function that you would know if you need it or not.

If you haven't looked already here's the Intel comparison: http://ark.intel.com/compare/64899,64891,64889

 

^This

Not worth the price, stick with the 3610QM

 

ok huge letdown :< was looking thru mythlogics site and in FAQs it says they don't take international orders :/ guess i'll wait till their live chat is up and ask if they accept international payment with shipping to a US address (that is aramex shop and ship) :/

 

One member here, TheDarkPreacher, has a w110er with a 3720QM. You could ask him/her for a better answer.

Mythlogic does take international orders. They prefer payment by PayPal for international orders and shipping with UPS though.

 

really?! great! now just gotta get a paypal account and save a bit more money to get that helicopter they offer

 

Wow that's a very noticeable difference between the 11.6" and the M14x.. thanks, that puts things into perspective much better. The Sager NP6110 looks kinda cute sitting between those two bigger brothers, lol.

Thanks again for that 4:3 desktop background to clarify the NP6110 aspect ratio. Must have been a weird viewing angle / image dimensions altered in that earlier pic I posted.

Pretty funny Frys getting their back up about photos.. seriously, a secret layout? Heck.. not much of a secret unless they lock their doors, lol.

Have you received your Sager yet? Wondering if that Kensington power brick was compatible or not... I ordered and have received the same power brick, but still waiting on my Sager. XoticPC advises the NP6110 has shipped (yay!).. tracking says it was picked up Friday 6/30, so I should have it by the end of this coming week (shipping from CA to NY via UPS ground).

 

6 months.. probably not

 

Am thinking about getting one of these to replace my M11xr1. The specs look good but was still undecided about the keyboard the keys looked really small from the pictures that I have seen.

At my local Bestbuy I noticed that the ASUS EEE 10" netbook has the same exact keyboard. I typed on it and found that since I have short fingers the keboard still worked well with my typing.

 

Have you tried GTA IV on this? I bet it will run well since it has a Quad.

 

Hi Prema, is long-term-tdp or long-turbo-time-limit the reason the computer shuts down after some minutes of torture test ?

Did anyone actually measure how much power is drawn on full load ?

I don't have a quad, but GTA usually runs very well.
Since a few days I can't play anymore with it, seems like it runs using the Intel card whatever I try :-/
Optimus tray icon is reporting it's using the nVidia, the gpu actually seems loaded, but the game is very slow and the benchmark is reporting the intel card was used, not sure if it can be trusted or not though.
Before that, it ran perfectly @native res., even using a 2410m.
But it still needs a faster cpu for full-hd with high graphics.