EVOC P870DM-G Gaming Laptop

Wow! Just saw this on HIDevolution's website! Silicon Lottery CPUs, factory overclock, 2800 MHz RAM, Prema BIOS/VBIOS, all covered under warranty! This is the enthusiasts' dream laptop and even great for people who do not want to take chances with the crappy 6700Ks which might be either great overclocking CPUs or overheat and thermal throttle even at stock speeds!

If I could turn back time, I wouldn't have ordered my laptop from Eurocom.

EVOC P870DM-G Gaming Laptop

@Mr. Fox @Papusan @GTVEVO

 

Wow, that's a sweet set up, but I think they are still working up the form, it's only got M4000/M5000 options for GPU right now, but mentioned the others in the text near the top.

It also needs to have the G-sync support for the 4k screen added.

And, finally, add the 2 x 980 option...

Love the Silicon Lottery Cherry Picking logo added to the banner

 

Did you not see this:

 

This model would be too expensive for me to buy outside Norway. + $ 7,800 for the exactly same setup that I paid $ 3,750 for. Over the double price for the same machine and with 2 years shorter warranty than what I get at home.
But worth every penny for those who don't have to pay high extra taxes to their country's government and hate BGA

 

That's pretty funny, I was going through clicking options, and somehow went to the end of the screen list - skipping the first ones thinking they were lower end, and just clicked the last +$600 one.

That triggered the GPU selections to disappear the GTX selections and change to Quadro...

Perhaps, maybe, don't do it that way?

While I stopped and asked questions, someone else might have done the same and skipped on to another site...

The traditional selection of Screen's, unconnected to GPU, is cleaner and less confusing.

Also, if you are going to tie them together, splitting the changing choices onto another page where you can't see them change while selecting a screen contributed to the confusion - if I saw GPU's change as I clicked the Screen's selection, I would have noticed they were connected - and investigated closer.

Glad to see everything I want, except for the 2 x 980's, is available ...

 

Mine only came out to $5187...with 2 x 980m's, but I am holding out for 2 x 980's.

Maybe we should ask you to buy for us, and export from Norway

 

Do you think they can offer two 980 GTX (desktop class) in the P870DM-G chassis or not yet?

 

@hmscott

I just sent them an email asking about the possibility of two 980 desktop class GTX GPUs. Heck I'd buy it if it's possible.

 

Why not?, MSI did it, up to a point, a 1 x 330w point to feed 2 x 980.

I don't know why MSI locks the GT80S down to supporting only the power of 1 x 330w, instead of 2 x 330w, but they must have a good reason based on their hardware.

Maybe it's because MSI doesn't need to do better. There aren't any other 2 x 980 laptops to compete, so MSI can pull back on the reigns and leave some performance improvement so Pascal looks better.

The Clevo power through to the 2 x 980m is greater than MSI has to the 2 x 980, supporting 2 x 330w will go a long way toward feeding 2 x 165w or 180w 980's.

It's possible that even the P870DM with 2 x 330w might not be enough to fully stretch the legs of 2 x 980, but it's worth a try.

Or not, it's likely too close to Pascal release to do a 2 x 980 now, so we wait for 2 x Pascal.

 

Don't get them all lathered up on my account, I won't be buying till my GT80 is placed into the tender hands of the new owner. That may be another month the way it's playing out.

 

I got a reply from HIDevolution saying that they physically fit but they will research the possibility of how to have them installed. Let's see

 

Wild, well ask them if they think there is enough time to implement it before Pascal releases?

I don't want to buy 2 x 980 and then turn around and order an upgrade a month later - do they do trade-in upgrades - which vendor does that...?

 

I didn't mention you bro, I was asking generally as that's something I am interested in too.

I really want you to be with us on the P870DM bandwagon

 

Yeah, well, you guys are doing a great job, I would enjoy picking up some of the slack on tuning for the Pascal and Kaby Lake releases.

 

I think this says more about MSI's traditions for crippled PSU. They wanted a flimsy 180w Psu for the old GT70, and would rather use Hybrid bios. They will continue with this until the end I think. I asked an MSI/Xotic rep if Msi still continued with similar solutions on the latest gaming models. This was confirmed... After a certain power consumption, so will firmware controll the rest. Aka the machine haven't enough power if you want to OC up to the sky.

 

The Clevo does the same thing on stock firmware...limiting the power-draw.
Stock firmware won't allow you to OC much with 980M SLI. Even with vBIOS Mod it'll simply throttle your CPU down until it's "happy".

 

MSI needs Prema Magic

 

No magic:

Spoiler

 

MSI have their own magic aka Hybrid bios aka lack of power is supplied by the battery... My oldest son has a GT70 with bios/vbios that is modded by Sveet I think. His laptop with gtx880m which is a problem child, work better than most 880m. Ok bench score and good temp. But as you should know... Not easy to talk some sense with your children. Even worse when they left home, LOL

 

I think MSI really failed with its implimentation on their concept. I am pretty sure the reason it's power limited is because of heat and their board design limits. I feel like they slapped the cuffs on after we started overclocking the haswell version past it's limits too.

I am still not sold we will see a pascal mxm card before July 1st.

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MSI don't officially have a way to go beyond 330W supply, so it makes sense with chips that could wildly exceed that you would put in limits on that draw. Annoying for overclockers but it makes sense, they are gaming machines that cater less to enthusiasts.

 

IDK, $4599 is pretty freakin enthusiastic

Pulling punches like that with their flagship laptop isn't going to help them.

We were looking forward to the GT80S SLI 980 as being top dog.

When we found out it's got more bark than bite... the GT80 dropped it's image a notch or two.

I hope MSI don't hold back on the GT80 Pascal SLI.

 

While they can pay similar amounts a gamer and an enthusiast are quite different customers, there can be a lot of overlap but they are two groups.

 

Not so far apart as is thought, in fact, I think that should be reconsidered.

Performance tuning is part of both groups, but gamers actually put the performance to use for hours at a time, and need to get that performance applied in practice consistently over time. Not just for a few minutes during a benchmark.

Getting real performance is more important to gamers than enthusiasts, and that's why that power shortfall was noticed so quickly.

Next time MSI better build a power system that can fully feed the CPU / GPU's for hours, and don't rely on battery boost for shorter term smoke and mirrors results.

 

this is why I went for a 4.5 GHz on all cores / Cache Ratio even though I can run @ 4.7 GHz with my Silicon Lottery CPU. I want an overclock that's stable for everyday life. that's what HIDevolution's factory overclock is as well. 4-4 to 4.5 GHz on all cores that is covered under warranty. Offcourse, people who buy these EVOC Machines are enthusiasts or even normal gamers who juts want something that works out of the box, they are free to tweak it further for more speed. The sky is the limit.

 

I must add, that upgrading my CPU to a Silicon Lottery CPU and the RAM to the G.Skill 2800 MHz. was worth every penny and was the best upgrade I ever did on any system, it transformed my Sky X9 from a stock garbage laptop to a power house.

 

It's a 6700K in a laptop man even stock is awesome

 

How is a sky9 with prema bios stock garbage? A straight Clevo without bios migh be...

 

I didn't mean my comment towards the Sky X9 model, I meant it about my particular laptop due to the crappy 6700K I had in it, it wouldn't even overclock to 4.4 GHz man. Max OC was 4.2 GHz on all cores.

After upgrading it to the Silicon Lottery CPU, it changed the whole game.

 

Exactly!

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Do they let you pick which SL chips to choose from?

 

yes, go on to the Silicon Lottery website, choose one from the available options then tell them in the customer notes which one you want.

They cannot post the options on their site since these come and go. So better grab a processor that you want before it goes

Also keep in mind, when SL say that a CPU can operate @ 4.8 GHz for example, that is on a desktop, subtract -200 to -300 MHz for a laptop

I was able to achieve 4.6 GHz stable on my system while keeping the cache ratio @ 4.1 GHz stock.

but I prefer to keep all cores and the cache ratio at one speed so I settled for a stable 4.4 GHz overclock that I can run 24/7 not just for overclocks and I rarely hear the fans spin since it's very cool

 

But with AC on+a laptop fan it'd work fine?

 

I don't understand your message, can you elaborate please?

 

I see the Quadros now:

 

Cool, they disconnected the selection of the screen from hiding / unhiding the GPU options, but...

There are still 4 screen options, the same 2 shown 2x, one for GTX video cards and one for Quadro...

The actual screen descriptions show the same options for the 2 video card types.

Is there a reason to show the same screen for GTX and Quadro cards, now that the screen selection has been unlocked from the GPU selections?

I guess it's possible that there are 2 actual versions of the same screen at the build end - one for GTX cards and one for Quadros - although I don't know why.

Maybe only offer 2 radio buttons, one for the 1080p screen and one for the 4k screen?

 

I don't know bro, you're gonna have to ask them that when you are ready to buy your beast EVOC

 

The Clevo Pascal SLI, "Tornado"

 

When I saw the title I thought someone finally released a 980 SLI powered P870DM lol

 

An air conditioner and a fan underneath the laptop would allow it to run at 4.8ghz?

 

it will help but nothing is guaranteed, however, with an AC + U3 Cooling pad + 4.8 GHz or higher Silicon Lottery CPU choice would give you much higher chances of reaching that goal.

When ordering your laptop, specify in the customer notes that you want a 4.8 GHz ++ rated Silicon Lottery CPU and ask for the receipt as well.

 

It depends on the chip, some do just hit a wall and will not go further without extreme sub zero cooling.

 

Running 2x GTX 980 180" or 200W would require a minimum power draw of 360W through the combined MXM assembly - the laptop isn't designed to do this so it will never be an official option from Clevo and any any attempt to make this work would throretically result in limits to 120W per card.

The Quadro cards havn't been validated in the P870DM, they are only compatible with the P771DM / P751DM / P775DM....

 

They asked me to make special mods for the Quadro cards, they work perfectly now on P870DM.
Including BIOS detection and driver P'n'P support.
BTW, Quadro's are all non SLI by design, but can also run "side-by-side" assigned to certain tasks:

Spoiler

 

180W GTX 980 for gaming + M5000M for modeling in one laptop lol

 

I remember the coolers for SLI having slightly different sizes, so which one are you going to put in the better cooled slot?


After reading this entire thread, I think that having the possibility to buy a silicon lottery CPU is great, but they come with only 30 days of warranty, or so they state on silicon lottery site.

Also, I do have my fears of having a delidded CPU, I mean, how was it put back together, and how does one know that it will stay back together, and thermal paste will not just spill out of there?

Also, aftermarket sell price for a silicon lottery will probably be lower, if you could sell one at all, considering that kabylake and cannonlake will be coming sooner or later.


About the SLI for GTX980, I too thought that they would fit in there, but I have no idea how to make them work together, or how to cool them both to normal temperatures. I think that a cooler solution for SLI gtx980 180W would mean redesigning the case, or the fans, because SLI 980M are barely holding their temperatures, (especially the slave card) if I understood correctly.

 

The pressure of the heatsink means barring something done drastically wrong it should not shift about.

 

I just asked HIDevolution, since they sell laptops with Silicon Lotter CPUs, which overstock speed are they, they told me that they get the highest overclockers rated at 4.8 GHz for maximum overlooking headroom

 

You do worry about the longevity of the power circuitry going that far beyond spec long term. It could become a new lottery at that point. You are starting to talk some massive currents at 350W+ of draw over the PCB.

Most desktops even don't have to worry about that kind of delivery over the motherboard as a whole.

 

The P870DM was designed for a total GPU only power draw up to 375W distributed between the two MXM slots as well as the two additional on-bard 2x2 power phases...the cooling was not...