*** Clevo P750TM-R Owner's Lounge ***

Specifications:


Display
15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) 144Hz~7ms IPS-level 72% NTSC - Antiglare Matte Type Display with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology - synchronizes display refresh rates to the GPU to enable ultra smooth gameplay

Optional:

15.6" 4K QFHD (3840x2160) AUO IPS Antiglare Matte Type Display (B156ZAN02.3) -Optimal for graphics professionals

Video Graphics & Memory

NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2060 w/ 6GB GDDR6

Optional:

NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2070 w/ 8GB GDDR6

NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2080 w/ 8GB GDDR6

Processor Support and
Heat Management

Intel 9600K/9700K/9900K
Chipset Intel® Z370 Express
System Memory (RAM)
16GB DDR4/2666MHz (1x 16GB)

Expandable to 128GB DDR4/2666MHz or 64GB DDR4/2800MHz

Hard Drive
1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive

Optional:

Dual M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD, in RAID 0, 1

2 x 2.5 inch SATA III Hard Drive or Solid State Drive

Optical Drive
None, external optical drive available

Card Reader 6-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini-SD/SDHC/SDXC)
Video Camera Built-in FHD (1080p) Web Camera
LAN/WLAN Killer DoubleShot™ Pro (Integrated Killer Gigabit Ethernet LAN + Killer Dual Band Wireless-AC 1535 + Bluetooth, M.2) with
Smart Teaming
Optional:

Killer™ Wireless-AC N1550 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0

Intel® Wireless-AC 9260 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0

Input/Output 1 x Thunderbolt™ 3 / USB 3.1 Gen 2 combo Port (Type-C)
1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 Port (Type-C)
3 x USB 3.0 Ports (USB 3.1 Gen 1) (1 x powered USB port, AC/DC)
1 x USB 2.0 Port
2 x mini display port v 1.3
1 x RJ45 LAN - Bigfoot Networks Killer E2400 Gigabit
1 x HDMI 1.4b / 2.0 output Port with HDCP (Will support 4K output for games, but will not support copyright protected video files that
require HDCP 2.2)
1 x Microphone-in jack
1x Line-in jack
1x Headphone-out jack
1x 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone / S/PDIF Optical output)
Audio
High Definition audio interface
S/PDIF digital output
Built-in Array Microphone
2 x Stereo Speakers
Sound Blaster™ X-FI® MB5
ESS™ SABRE HiFi DAC for high resolution headphone audio
External 7.1CH audio output supported by 2-in-1 Audio, microphone, Line-in and Line-out jacks
ANSP™ 3D sound technology

Keyboard and Touchpad
Full color illuminated full size keyboard with numeric pad and anti-ghost keys
Fully programmable macro capability – customize individual key as hot key / multiple keystrokes in one key
W/A/S/D gaming key
Integrated touchpad with Microsoft PTP multi-gesture and scrolling function

Optional:

Alternate language keyboards

Battery Removable 8 cell Smart Lithium-Ion battery pack 82WH
AC Adapter
Full Range 330W AC Adapter AC-in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 19.5V, 11.8A

Dimension & Weight /
15.2"(W) x 10.32"(D) x 1.5"(H), 386 (w) x 262.13 (d) x 38.1 (h) mm
7.5 lbs (with 8 cell battery), 3.4 Kg

Warranty
1 Year Limited U.S. Warranty *

Optional:

Up to 3 Years Limited U.S. Warranty


Other Features:
Rubber painting
Kensington® Lock
Integrated Area Finger print
FlexiCharger
Virtual Reality Ready

Spoiler: P750TM-R Images

 

I was expecting some design changes in any RTX models??!! disappointing.

 

How was the temps on the last generation with a 1080 and a 9900k? Just curious.

 

Donald said they would be releasing the test results of the 9900K on or after Jan 29th. I guess we'll see.

 

NDA till the 29th as Donald was saying.

 

cool, curious to see stock vs. tuned results and what kinda clocks can be squeezed out of the 9900K in the 15 inch form factor

 

Tuning could yield a lot.

 

29th, is tomorrow.

 

Hope to see some reviews with at least 9700 and 2080.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution Have you finished all the testings on 9900K and 2080 Donald?

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finally got my 9900k installed in my old P750DM1 lady

validated at 5.2 Ghz (havent properly tested 5.3 yet), 4.7 ghz stable, 4.8 ghz throttling, 4.9 ghz system crash in continuous CB15 load (loop)

funny thing about this: thermals are never an issue looks like my VRMs just crap out on me / overheat once i reach about 150W package. will have to look into my thermal pad placement, maybe stack some fujipoly onto the mosfets and see if that helps any.

also still dialing in voltages for proper stability.

but hey, a 15 incher from 2015 can keep up with a 9900k at stock clocks, not too shabby id say!

big sweet thanks to @Prema for helping out on the firmware and tuning side!

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The VRMs struggle with twice the original core count?

 

ikr?! shocking

so after checking the service manual i now know that the 4 phases on my mobo can handle 120A max. at roughly 1.2V, so around 145W max. TDP package. i was never able to reach those wattages on my 7700K, always hit thermal limit at around 125W haha. but yeah, ill definitely need to focus on keeping those VRMs as cool as possible...and use the PremaMod to limit my amperage to 120, no need to overstress those poor little phases

btw, i know that intel xtu aint that popular here, but: anyone noticed that the newest version 6.4.1.25 actually offers a PER CORE CLOCKING FEATURE???

its a dream come true! this way i can check each individual core for it specific max. overclock and get max. performance out of my amperage envelope

 

@jaybee83

Regarding XTU bit of your post, do you mean that you can define the max clock speed of each core individually and independently from each other?

Like core 1 will boost to 4.8, core 2 to 4.6, core 3 to 4.7 etc.?

 

yes, correct!

so far, we were only able to set clocks at one core load, two core load, three core load, etc. but we couldnt define WHICH cores were used for that.

with per core clocking u can do the following (which is also my plan):

- first determine the lowest Vcore at a given frequency that is still stable and inside thermal / amperage limits for all-core boost (in my case this looks to be around 4.7 Ghz with an offset of -125 mV, specific VCore at load to follow)
- now that all-core clocks and VCore (offset) is set, choose a specific core, i.e. "Core 0" and check what the max. clock is that it can reach stable at the previously set Vcore
- check Cores 0 to 7 (in case of 9900K) for their respective max OC capability at the given VCore offset
- Choose best Core for one core boost clocks, then the best and second best for two core boost, etc.

that way you're able to bin each individual core of your cpu and squeeze out every last bit of performance

 

@jaybee83

Thanks for the explanation! That's very helpful. So, when you are testing for max core clock, how are you testing that? Using a single thread benchmark?

 

ha! whenever i find the time! i currently use every free minute i get to continue my tweaking on week days, that usually means after my workouts together with dinner haha.

there "could" potentially be two options to test that: either running a single thread benchmark (i.e. prime95 executed on 1 core only) or manually deactivating cores in the bios and fully stress the leftover cores.

not sure if option two would allow to select which cores to disable though, need to check that. also, should be interesting to see how windows 10 runs on a single core, albeit clocked pretty high

 

Close, but haven't shipped the first one yet. What I can tell you is, under heavy load they will got hot, but they are stable nevertheless. No crashes, no BSODs, no problems, but they will keep your coffee hot.

 

perfect for those long gaming sessions during cold winter nights haha

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The VRM heatsink on the 870TM does help, these chips do slurp power.

 

i got the VRM temps under control now, they max out at 89C when reaching their hard amperage limit i used stacked fujipoly extreme pads with kryonaut connecting them to each other and the mosfets/chokes haha. works nicely.

looks like 4.6 ghz all core is all i can do on these four phases. not bad, but annoying that its just one multi away from stock all core clocks

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At the same time that's 2.5% faster

 

@jaybee83 nice job on getting the vrm temps down. I'm penciling that one away for the future as I'm considering a 751TM-R as an upgrade.

What kind of temps are you seeing on your 9900k, if you don't mind? Delidded / LMed?

 

2.2% and still annoying!

well im aware that this will most likely be the very last upgrade for my old DM lady could help for another 2 years or so, alongside a 1070/2070, 3800/4000 mhz ram, optane/970 pro and 201ax wifi its just so much fun to make a machine so custom and tweak it to the max

ive raised the tjmax to 115C to get more headroom and at 4.6 ghz all cores im getting peak temps of 93-97C in realbench stress testing. thats with a delid, conductonaut below the ihs, kryonaut on top, a Vcore offset of -115mV and a highly binned cpu so basically this is best case scenario for a 9900k in a DM1 laptop

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im currently finetuning the amperage limit values in the bios. in the long run i dont want my machine constantly shutting off when the VRMs reach their power limit, that wont do their health any good. at the same time i dont want any power headroom to be left on the table so im testing to see which bios values give me the max power allowance without the system shutting off. ive currently narrowed it down to a range of 125-130A.

theres also still the option to undervolt the igpu and uncore/system agent to make room for more power on the cpu VRMs. however, id like to save the latter for last since that could potentially hinder my ram overclocking abilities. so will have to find a good compromise between the two

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The P870TM-R looks amazing ! Quite heavy too but that is expected AND wanted !

 

hardware is identical to the TM model from last year the "R" only stands for Turing RTX upgrade, rest remains the same.

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Which in terms if i/o and storage is no bad thing.

 

Hello Everyone,
I am trying to get my new spanking TM-R set up and have downloaded and installed the bloatware free OS from ultraMale. But I lost about some of the things in there.which he describes here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-cpu-and-gtx1070-80-gpu.816154/#post-10718834 . Would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me.

1. He says there is a great new 'search' built in which does search from start. Earlier I used to just click 'WIN" key and start typing my search term. Right now typing like that nothing happens. What am I missing
2. The windows updater is still enabled on the system. Is this required or should I forego this and if so how to do it ? More importantly will these updates REinstall somethings like spying and telemetry that are not present in the system ?
3. I still see windows defender firewall. in the system. Is this 'defender' version to be removed / replaced by some other firewall/setting ?
4. I installed the fingerprint scanner but cannot seem to find it anywhere. There is nothing 'synaptic' in the system tray nor something in the 'installed applications' . What should I be looking for ?
5. Windows automatically installed nvidia 2080gtx drivers but I don't see the nvidia desktop show up when rightclick on the the destop wallpaper. My worry is if I download something more from nvidia apart from the drivers (which are already there), it will also download more spying software which I don't want.

Can someone help / point me to more detailed help for the above.

Thanks,

 

Tag @Ultra Male

 

Thanks @Donald@HIDevolution,
I was unsure about tagging him coz last time I did he seemed angry/direct and said : go bother someone else + added that he was putting me on the ignore list, too quickly and I was going to get the system (and the banner of hidevolution gaming) but I didn't have it then. Case in point
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ounge-phoenix-4.809589/page-270#post-10834891

But it would sure be great to get some insight into the questions above.

Also I can try handling the issues myself to an extent if there are any 'todo' lists he has right after installing his OS. So it would be nice to know if anyone has some links to any such list/place which I can try when I am waiting for him to respond !

 

PM Sent for Ultra Male Tuning Session so I can fix your problems and do the tweaks.

 

thanks, i responded to pm

 

Will this P750TM-R be better at handling a I9-9900K because of processor support and heat management ? Does it have other power/current/vr limits?
Will it be better at this then a P751TM1 or will it be the same?

 

Is this with a 330W PSU? I'm guessing your numbers mean that you're not actually hitting limits drawing from the wall if it's the VRMs cutting out. Also that using a 980M gives you some extra room over those matching the 9900k with an rtx 2080 (and more obviously with a 1080).

 

The CPU VRMs are separate so not really.

 

I meant that the VRMs are a problem long before needing more power is a problem in terms of getting more performance out of that 9900k/980m setup.

Edit: I'm mostly curious about how far people are getting with the current standard 330W power adapters, vs the 780W options others are looking into.

 

The 2080 is 150w so 150w CPU would certainly stay within limits.

 

Thanks @Donald@HIDevolution!

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the stock 230W PSU shouldnt be an issue as long as we are not talking extreme GPU + CPU load with OC at the same time. because even on a 4 /8t cpu with 980m i was able to trip the stock 230W (when both cpu & gpu were overclocked, at stock there are zero issues).

330W psu should be fine even when everything is overclocked so no worries on that front. the cpu VRMs actually keep me from reaching any wattages that would come close to the 330W psu's tripping point similarly, since my machine does not provide an external gpu power connector, the mxm slot power delivery limits the wattage i can reach on the gpu side as well.

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Considering that mxm (the design of the actual slot) was designed around 75w like the desktop the slot does pretty well considering.

 

oh really? havent they updated the MXM slot in later revisions to support higher wattages? iirc something like 150W peak and 125W continuous load?

 

How would you do that without a different slot? You can mess with the supply circuitry but the slot itself has limits.

 

i was thinking along the lines of remapping slot contacts towards higher power delivery. analogously to usb 1/2/3 etc. with downwards but no upwards compatibility in terms of bandwidth and power delivery. im no electrical engineer though

so if the mxm slot is only engineered for 75W, how can it possibly take a 980M at 125W stock and 150W overclocked without any issues? u cant tell me that engineers were like "meh, whatevs, let beat the crap out of it for the funsies!" designing 100W+ cards for years on end for a 75W slot....?

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You had the old mxm 1 standard which could have extra tabs and that was less fun than mxm 2.

 

How updates come to linux vs Windows : https://imgur.com/a/2OzsFtT

 

Well it owes you after all the hassle it put you through in the first place

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(239)SkyX4C

Some benchmarks on the eurocom site with 9700k and RTX 2080. I looked up the Firestrike ID in particular, and it looks to be reaching a graphics score (26k) just short of what the handful of users reporting are showing for the P775 (~27k+). Also TimeSpy. Lower core clock achieved? Really unfortunate that the notebook RTX categories doesn't seem to be working still so it's hard to compare.

Physics scores are a bit less than the expected value for a 9700k, I think, but I have no idea if that's still good for a laptop.

I think my takeaway is that the P75x chassis isn't throttling nearly as much as I thought it would with the new heatsinks. But it's still a 15.6" laptop.

Note that it doesn't say what kind of tweaking they might have done. I assume it's with their unlocked bios... can someone more adept at this see signs of the usual Clevo bios power limits?

Edit: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(238)SkyX7C

The P775 graphics scores are worse? Maybe too hot with the 9900k? Can't see the ID to look.

 

Also perusing vendors, I see this coming up as the P750TM-G1/2/3 (Sager NP9156-G1/2/3).

Given the thermal challenges, I'm wondering why most vendors seem to be offering only 9th gen CPUs (9600k/9700k/9900k) as part of their configurations. Why no 8700k? Does the heatsink not fit or something?

 

marketing, 9th gen is newer than 8th as for factual performance, the 9700K is basically equivalent to the 8700K, same goes for power draw, so why bother to include the latter?

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