2080 9900k - which is best laptop?

To me, your biggest concern would be the actual 'burnout rate' of the Area 51m. We know they exist, but don't know the numbers. NBR is just one little corner of the world. How many others have flamed out and we don't know about. FWIW, you just don't see reports like that for the P870TM-R.

Even iunlock admits it isn't a straight, apples to apples comparison of the two due to some of the crippled features found in the Area 51m

I hope you and UltraMale avoid the "Russian Roulette system" of the Area 51m to avoid downtime while getting your system replaced. At least the warranty will protect you in the short term. Perhaps in 12 months this will all be sorted out (aka fixed).

After reading some of the posts here, any more thoughts regarding your comparison post?

 

Your comparing a tuned machine with a bone stock one.

 

On similar lines, how would a P775 with a Prema Bios compare against an Area 51m? You could make a similar argument for the P775 in that it is about $500 cheaper than the Area 51m for the exact same specs. I doubt that the performance difference will be huge here either to justify the price difference between the two. It will be interesting to see if anybody has pushed the P775 to its limits and done a proper comparison with an Area 51m.

 

MSI has thrown their hat into the ring as well with the GT76: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...rmed-and-already-winning-awards.421170.0.html

i9-9900K, RTX 2080 (200W variant I’ve heard), 11 heatpipes and 4 fans.

 

So they start off by awarding their system before the show...
Can´t wait to see the usual "we are the fastest" phrase...

 

The question is? Will they advertice it as "worlds fastest" in same way as Azor and Alienware?

 

They usually do, except for those who actually are...well at least we get some more folks to play (bench) with. The more DTR on the market the better.

Not pushed to its limits, but here a few P7xxTM1 benches:

FS: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19108322

3D11: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13268479

CG: http://www.3dmark.com/cg/4516216

SD: http://www.3dmark.com/sd/5527280

 

why does that design remind me of alienware with that big butt at the back and bling bling LEDs crammed into every little corner of the chassis?

 

Regardless, I'm just glad to see another non-BGA model hit the market.

 

More surface area for heatsinks but the bezels wont seem as huge on the LCD. They almost want 4:3 displays on them lol.

 

the highest quality of sheep, with trimmed fur. im sure crApple would love to have them.

this would have been so much of a hype had it came out last yr. knowing it'll come with crippled battery NOS bs and firmware power limit that can't be fixed just killed my excitement.

4 fans and large CPU heatsink with 2 fans does sound very promising (hope it is divided up like that).

then theres also AMD 16 cores coming soon if it does well, it'll destroy this laptop in pure computing power.

 

Firmware power limit and NOS can be bypassed if the battery is removed, assuming MSI didn't change the EC registers.
Current vcore protection limit (VRM shutoff) is probably unavoidable as laptop AMI Bioses do not have "CPU Vcore current protection" overrides, so if you draw too many amps, the laptop will shut off.

 

thats retarded i can't use laptop while oc'ing with battery in what if theres an outage/short. i need that battery in at all time for those scenarios.

looking at the GT76 chassis, prob not that much bigger than the GT/WT75 chassis, can't really tell if it'll be any better until we see the inside. why couldnt they just do a GT83VR refresh calling it GT93 or something like that, place 8 core in it, two GPU slots for two GPUs for separate tasks im sure it'll appeal to some.

 

It's generally not great if you are battering the system with a load and it gets slammed over to battery to be fair.

 

MSI folllow the Sheep gang. Why make it any better than all the other ODM'S?

 

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1119122946113429504?s=19

 

Hey a bigger garden is more fun for everyone to play in

 

True! If MSI would have only gone with MXM instead of BGA for the GPU. It's again a half baked one step forward (LGA), one step back (BGA) combo.

 

BGA gpu? seriously? ugh...

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what? the gt76 has bga gpu? garbo all over again

 

They probably won't replace the GT83 unless Nvidia decide to allow SLI/NVLink on mobile cards, which is unlikely.

 

BGA in Sli/NVLink setup ? What a disgusting idea!

FYI. MSI would never allowed unlocked Cpu is such a setup. It would be BGA Cpu as well. Same as before. No 6820Hk or the successor 7820Hk for MSIBOOK's with Sli. Only HQ Mobile models.

See my previous post #65

 

A fully unlocked BGA chip would be interesting with the setup to support it. BGA gives more room for power phases and power delivery.

Maybe if AMD end up pressuring Intel in this space we will see it on the CPU side.

GPU side is a fair bit more restrictive.

 

Spoiler: >>>> Open for details <<<<

Faked you out, LOL.

 

RIP

 

There does not need to be more for this community

 

Would be interesting to see if @Khenglish could transplate a 2080 Ti desktop core onto a Clevo 2080 MXM card like he did with the GTX 980 desktop GPU core on 980M.

 

I'd have to send in my 2080 DGFF at that point for an upgrade too

I think memory will be an issue. 2080 uses 256-bit bus and 2080Ti uses 352-bit bus. Also the VRMs might not be capable of the higher load.

Lastly the 2080Ti die is bigger than 2080 right?

So many issues in the way.

I'm pretty sure Clevo & AW tried asking nVidia again for this generation for 2080Ti. I mean we have 200w 2080 in these laptops.

I'm sure they were pissed too when they found out a thin and light is getting a Quadro RTX 6000 in a laptop that has same CUDA cores as 2080Ti but will be gimped by power and temperature limits.

 

The TI package is bigger IIRC?

 

It certainly could be larger. I am not sure because I have only owned 2080 Ti. Never had a 2080 to compare with.

 

Yup 2080Ti is bigger as has been the case for a long time (100 vs 104 and 102 vs 104 dies)

2080ti is using TU102 die and is 754 mm^2

2080 is using TU104 die and is 545 mm^2

 

The 2080 to 2060 do share the same package size.

 

Without signed+modded firmware its not feasible to transplant the GPU die and I think nobody will sign NDA to keep it a secret just like good old days!
I might be wrong on Signed FW thingy!!!
Anyway, if Khenglish accomplishes it then Clevo might go for custom Ti editions in laptop with proper FW.

 

Except being physically impossible is an issue plus you would be limited to a 256bit memory bus.

 

Not as easy. Add 1080 core on 1070 board wasn't so easy. + lots of works.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...tx-1080-upgrade.814711/page-106#post-10965064

 

Plus killing 2080 cores is also going to get expensive quickly.

 

This has been something he has done with dead GPUs, not working ones. The 980M to 980 core mod that he did used one of my dead 980M cards (had a cracked die). It wouldn't be smart to ruin a perfectly good 2080 MXM card even if the die size and pin count were the same.

 

That covers fitment but you would need to do live testing at some point.