[Review] New Purchase - EVOC P750TM1-G

I just ordered a new EVOC P750TM1-G from HIDEvolution and I'm excited to put this beast to work. Unlike most people on this forum, I'll be using this laptop almost exclusively for professional editing. I'm not much of a gamer. With Adobe Premiere, CPU performance is more important than GPU performance, so the 8700k desktop processor seemed to make a lot of sense. I'll be hooking this up to a few Dell 24" monitors in my editing suite.

Donald at HIDEvolution is amazing. (But anyone that has been on this forum has heard that over and over again.) He spent several hours on the phone with me discussing options, answering questions, and doing some extra research on my graphics dilemma. Together, I think we worked out a great solution for my application.

I'm new to this forum and hope to learn and share knowledge with the NBR community.

 

I ordered the same unit, waiting on it to come in! It's in production now. Did you get the sillicon lottery processor or the standard one? I figured that since I'm spending the big bucks I might as well go all out.

 

Bad choice.
You should have waited for the Acer Predator Helios 500 notebook with Ryzen 2700. Not only does the ryzen run cooler and renders faster than the 8700K, it also minimizes the dropped frames when looking at previews. In terms of Video editing, the ryzen beats the snot out of intel, not only that but the ntoebook has an AM 4 socket which will get supported to at least 2020, meaning you're likely going to be able to upgrade your GPU even further in 2 years to get even more out of your notebook, instead of buying a new one.

To give you an idea how bad the intel is compared to ryzen. If you have a 60 second clip, you drop ~50% of the frames, while ryzen only drops 3%. AMD is the choice for every video editor.

 

Dude, you've really got to rephrase the way you recommend things. You come across as a total jerk. It's really hard to take what you say seriously.

The Acer Predator Helios 500 isn't out yet, and it's not a clear winner in many categories. In this article ( https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pc...er-predator-helios-500-gaming-laptop.amp.html) they tested it and it only had a multi score of 1512 (I don't know if processor will be overclockable, though I don't think so). Any decent Clevo P751 from HID with upgraded cooling and delid will be able to match that performance or go higher and have a higher single thread score to boot. It also doesn't have an Nvidia GPU, so for sure for me it's no good for people want to maximize GPU performance for gaming and rendering. The laptop is also in a different weight class at 17" and 8.8 lbs. I don't go higher than 8 lbs since I take my laptop with me eveywhere, so that's also a no go. There's no way I'd go with the Predator Helios personally.

As far as Intel vs Ryzen on adobe premiere, Premiere loves higher single clock time for many effects, Intel also has hardware accelleration, which can cut render times in half. AMD doesn't. Haven't heard about the dropped preview frames with Intel chips, but my video and timeline previews perfectly fine on my Intel laptops, but I'm usually only editing 1080p or 2.5k clips. So in my mind, Intel is hands down the winner for editing with Premiere, but I'm open to hearing any info I'm missing.

 

Premiere is badly optimised in general, especially for AMD systems, but since its pretty much the standard for video editing people don't have much choice. If the OP is using it for his job, the time savings of the 8700K will add up over several weeks, even if its only a few minutes per video.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3310-adobe-premiere-benchmarks-rendering-8700k-gpu-vs-ryzen

Unless the OP is doing multiple renders at the same time, there is no benefit in using Ryzen or Threadripper over the 8700K.

 

Didnt know about the new hardware acceleration, however i have 2 concerns need to ask. Are those CPU's spectre patched or not? Also what about the dropped frames in viewing the preview.

EDIT: nvm, the feature is irrelevant, since the IGP is disabled on the P870TM. My statement stands.

@Quadron
You need to take that with a grain of salt, here is the guy doing the test:


Yes it's that person who wrote that review. Not only did he call the CPU a ryzen "Radeon Ryzen" but also he ran cinebench while having microsoft edge, uplay and far cry 5 open.

He wasted a good oportunity.

also dropped frames:


U're welcome. @ 3mins 45 secs

 

I doubt the spectre patches would affect the performance much, maybe a few seconds at most. If someone has to do a lot of computing tasks like blender etc then Ryzen is definitely better in most cases, but for Premiere in particular id say the 8700k is better. One thing Ryzen is definitely better for is multitasking.

 

Given that the IGP is disabled on the P870TM it performs much worse than ryzen in every aspect, correct me if I'm wrong. It can only beat ryzen in rendering time by using the iGPU to accelerate even further. So the dropped frames are still there and the CPU is considerably slower when not being able to use the iGPU.

 

The 2700 is going to be fairly power limited in that chassis so I would expect the 8700k to come out ahead in a lot of tasks.

Plus it's an Acer......

 

The cooling solution of the acer helios 500 is designed to run up to an I9 - 8950HK, consdering ryzens power draw is much lower, it should be absolutely fine.

 

The 2700 is limited to 65w and I very much doubt Acer will let you change that.

Plus telling someone made a bad choice buying a proven product over something unreleased when you don't have a full understanding of the specs is incredibly short sited.

 

What memory speed and what GPU did you end up going with?

 

I got the standard processor. I won't need to overclock.

 

I ordered 32GB of DDR4/2666MHz Ram and a GTX 1060 GPU.

 

I just want to expres my opinion here regarding the 8700k vs ryzen 2700 debate.

When it comes to productivity, things are a bit complicated because there isn't a CPU that is better at everything.

Ryzen has its advantages in some areas where performance scales better with more cores, while 8700k has a considerable advantage where performance scales with clock speed.

8700k can also match or surpass ryzen even in areas where core count is important if that app can take advantage of both multiple cores and higher clock speeds (with an emphasis for higher cloks).

There are a lot of productivity apps that can't use multiple cores (with few exceptions) in the main working window (viewport, where performance scales better with higher clocks ), but they can properly use all the cores when rendering.

Some of the apps that mostly don't use (or don't efficiently use in some cases except rendering) multiple cores, are CAD, BIM and other 3d modeling software:



In video editing (viewport) both ryzen and coffee lake do a good job.

Ryzen is supposed to have at least a slight advantage in rendering if we consider the CB r15 scores, but it doesn't always have an advantage. The CB r15 score isn't always a good performance indicator for rendering, even in c4d:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...ormance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...Comparison-AMD-Ryzen-2-vs-Intel-8th-Gen-1137/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...en-vs-X-series-vs-Ryzen-vs-Threadripper-1123/

 

Only with BIOS microcode updates to support new CPUs, which BTW ASUS has already stated that they will not release for Zen+ on GL702ZC.

 

I do find it hilarious that he refers to it as Ryzen Radeon... lol Harder to record live video and easier to make a snaffu like that than you'd think, but still lol... In this arct

It's impossible to tell if he's got anything active in FarCry, like a benchmark running at the same time or if its just menu idling. If it's just a menu, it wouldn't affect the benchmark much at all, though it does potentially negate the test if he is running the Far Cry benchmark at the same time. The Ryzen 2700x scores around 1800, but it has a TDP of 105w and higher clock speeds. The Ryzen 2700 is a gimped version with less TDP of only 65w and signficantly lower clocks, so a score of around 1500 makes sense.

Are there any other tests out there so far? Either way, @raz8020 posted some excellent links and has a solid perspective on this. Each processor has its strengths and weaknesses depending on the application you're talking about, so there isn't a clear winner overall. But the 8700k at stock still significantly outperforms the Ryzen processor at least in the Puget productivity tests that Raz linked. Either way, the Helios 500 isn't out yet, hasn't been tested with the Ryzen processor, and bashing people for a purchase of a tried and true system is just not that smart.

The video you linked talking about the dropped frames isn't comparing the 8700K processor, but the weaker i5 variant, and on top of that, the overall speed that he comes up with is that the i5 is still faster, though it does drop frames, at least with the 4k footage that he was using. BUT this is going to vary drastically depending on the type of 4k footage you're using (higher bit rate and poorly optimized footage will be more difficult to play smoothly, obviously), so it's definitely not indicator of how it will perform with all 4k footage out there.

For example, my GH5 has 150 mb rate 4k 60P option, and editing that footage is incredibly choppy on every system I've seen so far, probably on all systems, including the Ryzen, though it would be cool to test it with a Ryzen. But if I record in a lower bit rate 4k 30P or use Sony's 4k codec's, I can edit perfectly smooth. The other thing to consider is that I actually don't shoot my videos in 4k anyway, so my previews are perfectly smooth as is, so that's just a non factor for me in general. Clearly, this will vary drastically from person to person and what type of codec the person is using, etc.

But as for me and many people who already have smooth editing experiences, Adobe Premiere and After Effects will perform much faster on a 8700k than the Ryzen (As is evidenced by your own video as well as the links @raz8020 posted), at least for now, but as time goes on and programs are updated to take advantage of more multicore processes, it might change. I'm not saying the Ryzen is bad, it's certainly better than the intel laptop processors lineup, but the 8700k is just clearly better with adobe products for how I use them and will save me time in my workflows. So please stop running around and spouting bs all across the forum and bashing people without proper understanding.

On top of that, I'm a hardcore gamer so I want maximum gaming performance as well, so two birds one stone. On top of that, the helios is in a whole different category than the P751 laptops anyway...

It seems like you just have a vendetta against Clevo laptops in general, based on how you're running around everywhere on the forums and saying they're trash. Did you have a bad experience with them or something that made you really biased against them? Seems like unjustified hatred to me.

 

Very interesting benchmarks and video. You seem to have a balanced view and I completely agree with you. Good thoughts.

 

The 8700k is going to have a significant clock advantage of course.

 

You clearly are not familair with cinebench, it matters A LOT if you have programs open or not. It doesn't matter if far cry was idle or not.
Also you're wrong, the 2700 is very similair to the 2700x, if the x version scores stock 1800 points, the non x scores 1730. The X version is unlocked and can be overclocked, while the non x is locked at 4.1ghz, while the x stock is at 4.3ghz, it's not that much of a difference. You clearly are not familair with ryzen at all.

As you pointed out, in each application the intel is better than AMD, and vice versa, but in streaming and video editing, the ryzen wins hands down. There is no contest there, alone for the fact that you don't have dropped frames anymore.

The i7 and I5 coffee lake are extremely similair in adobe premiere, it drops equally as many frames. sadly.

And as already stated, premiere and after effect only render faster if the IGP is acivated, however the dropped frames are still a massive problem, especially for professionals, which ryzen eliminates. Ryzen is the clear winner in terms of video editing for the dropped frames alone. There is nothing more valuable than saving time because you can spot errors in your preview and don't have to re render your movie/clip over and over again.

 

You are wrong, the R7 2700 runs at 3.4GHz when all threads are loaded:



And aside from the lack of CPU upgradeability, Ryzen laptop also does not have access to same high speed, low latency RAM (3200C14 or better) that desktop does, which really benefits Infinity Fabric. SO-DIMM is really crappy compared to desktop modules, not to mention laptop motherboards aren't physically capable of running TOTL modules at their rated specs.

 

Wow, you really like bashing people when you have no clue what you're talking about. You're completely wrong about the 2700 nearly matching the 2700x. Here's a review where it only scored 1560. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_2700_review,9.html

Another where it scored around 1540: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-5-2600-and-Ryzen-7-2700-Review.303828.0.html

As I said, there is a TDP difference and clock speed difference. It can't match 2700x speeds.

I give up trying explain that me and many others don't experience frame drops... Some do for sure, and if you regularly edit with skipping codec then for sure it'd be worth switching. But me and many others don't... It's not a decisive factor in choosing it unless it's something bothering your personal workflow. 8700k is the clear winner for my workflow (one I ordered is lottery binned, delidded, and cooling upgraded from HID), but Ryzen can also be great choice, especially for the money. Just not the winner in terms of max possible performance for me. And I'm done trying to argue with you, sorry mate. Waste of time arguing with a wall. Cheers.

Edit: added positive about Ryzen because it's a good choice for some people

 

Is this meant as a joke? You missed with +210cb for same Ryzen 2700 in coming Acer.

 

It scores 1881 points @ 4.2ghz.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-2700

base clock 3.2ghz, boost clock 4.1ghz.
Thanks for proving my point.

Next time try to read your own sources before making a fool out of yourself. thanks.

 

The boost clock max is listed for a single core. You can't sustain 4.1Ghz on all 8 core under 65w. Stop just reading the paper specs and read the advise of people who know how these chips handle.

Also cinebench is a short run, it is not the be all and end all metric especially for sustained loads.

 

Congrats on your new laptop

 

Thank you! I appreciate a simple and appropriate response to my initial posting.

It is sad that one individual has hijacked this thread. I'm assuming he has had a bad experience with Clevo products. He has poor communication skills and is ill-informed. I feel sorry for him.

I'm excited about my laptop and as a new participant in these forums it is discouraging to read someone's initial comment as "Bad Choice." No, it is not a bad choice, and the laptop has been configured to best serve my needs.

I know that it is healthy to have differing opinions and exchange of thoughts on these forums but when individuals present themselves without the facts and in an inappropriate manner it makes me think twice about using the forums. I do appreciate the responses from several other members in the group who are far more knowledgeable about the specific subject matter being debated and who have expressed their opinions about the dissenting individual.

 

It's a great laptop. I'm sure you'll enjoy it! Looking forward to mine being similar specd. Some great and informed people on here, best online resources for laptops, so don't let one or two people get you down. Clevos aren't the flashiest or nicest looking, but they sure do perform like monsters when configured correctly.

 

This Acer 17,3 inch chassis can't even handle Gtx1080 with INTEL or AMD's new Cpu. And have it unlocked firmware? If so, whom do it for Acerbooks? And you talk about oc'd Ryzen. On top you haven't touched this model, not even seen it in real life. Please Stop.

And all R 2700 is equal binned? And why on earth drag in oc'd Ryzen 2700 in this thread? Who can't even be done in the Acer Helios 500 notebook. I don't get it!!

Btw. 8 cores R2700 even oc'd vs. stock clocked 6 core i7-8700K

 

What matters is that the product meets your needs and you're happy with it!
Too bad some people have to be so negative/rude. I would personally prefer a Chevy Silverado over a Ford F-150, but I wouldn't go out of my way to matter-of-factly tell someone with a Ford they made a poor choice or why I don't like Fords. Ya know what I mean?

I'm glad for you! I hope it lasts you a while and kicks some major butt!

 

JK of course

@Quadron
I think its a great laptop, also feel free to ask the Mods to clean up your tread of unwanted nonsense, so you can still use it to post Pics, and Benchmarks when you get it in

 

This is actually not my thread... lol Though I am buying the same model right now. I was just trying to defend a new member of the forums, though we kind of got sidetracked. xD

 

It should do very well for any media creation tasks etc. I think anyone with that in mind is going to be very happy.