Upgrading my Eurocom Sky X9 from HIDevolution

Just ordered the following upgrades for my EUROCOM Sky X9 from HIDevolution.

List of upgrades:

1) Silicon Lottery Intel Skylake i7-6700K guaranteed to overclock to 4.8GHz + CPU Delid Service

2) G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 64GB (4 x 16G) 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 2800 MHz (PC4 22400) Laptop Memory Model F4-2800C18Q-64GRS

3) 6 Tubes of Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra

4) Killer AC1535 WLAN Card (I have the Intel AC8260 but I want to try the Killer one to see if the driver issues have been resolved and whether it's better than the Intel AC8260 or not)

5) 1 extra power adapter, I currently have 2 but want to keep an extra one for ease of transport when I go out so I won't have to keep disconnecting my current one(s) and putting it in my laptop bag

6) Extra CPU Heatsink (spare)

7) 3 extra fans (CPU + GPU) as spare

8) 2 Tubes of Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra


Just received an email from HIDevolution with my order confirmation @ 3:15 AM, these guys don't sleep it seems

 

Nice. What will the 3 fans cost?

 

I'll let you know soon once I receive the final invoice.

 

Nice upgrade, that's actually absolutely fantastic to see that they can guarantee a silicon lottery i7 AND delid it. THAT is what I call service.

 

To be fair, delidding that chip is what makes 4.8ghz oc likely not the silicon lottery.

 

They don't delid all the CPU's first...

First they find a sweet OC'ing CPU for you, then you decide whether you want to also Delid it, to get it running even cooler, and maybe - just maybe - OC to 5.0ghz+

 

Guess they charged you same price for binned chip as @ sl.com ? Come on, give us a note of their pricing policy

 

I understand, however, finding a 6700k that does not oc to 4.8ghz once delidded and pasted well is harder than finding one that does. Since they also happen to sell systems they warranty I would not be surprised if their actual method is to delid and re-paste a random 6700k and if it is one of the rare ones that will not oc to 4.8 with that cooling buffer just reapply silicon to seal the re-pasted delid and insert into the next 6700k system they need to ship. The net is the person getting the silicon loser still gets a better than stock 6700k and they don't need to test out chips before the delid.

 

Still, the fact that a reseller would be willing to delid in the first place is nothing short of amazing.

 

Kindof, although I see it as more of an indicator that they do not have a very good direct relationship with Intel -- which frowns on partners reselling delidding. Good for folks that can't or don't want to do it themselves, but also indicates what could be a troubled relationship with a key supplier.

 

No, you are tripping man, it's too much risk / work to delid as you are suggesting.

They run through trays of CPU's testing as stated on their site, and sell the 6700k's that don't bin for more than they paid for them. Especially before xmas when 6700k's were in such short supply.

Go to their site and read their stuff, and then send an email with your ideas to their support email, they will get a kick out of it

 

Have you delidded the 6700ks? Literally no risk if you tack up a stop edge/guide on a razor blade to only allow 2mm travel into the silicon (that holds the lid on). There is nothing on the topside except the chip which is tiny and well centered. I have done 3 and it takes about 5 minutes a pop once you get used to it.

To test the bin you don't even have to bind the lid back on you just paste up and socket.

20% of fresh unboxed 6700ks hit 4.8ghz without even delidding -- delidding and its better thermal management brings that number up to at least 60% (if not better)... It is either that or I got lucky 3/3 times with no problem after delidding. If they hit a bad cpu that can't oc to 4.8 the cpu will still be in better shape than the virgin one because intel's standard lid pasting blows so they can just resell under a warranted system.

 

It sounds like you should go into competition with Silicon Lottery, and delid trays of CPU's and sell them pre-delidded, with a huge 6700k 4.8ghz+ supply to sell.

Much better plan than what SL is doing, if it works... IDK what the failure rate of delid is for the 6700k, in quantity - as a production line task.

Like I said, email support at SL and give them some advice.

SL seems to be constantly running out of high OC CPU's, maybe your advice could make the difference

 

$15 USD per fan

 

Buy a delidmate for risk free mass delidding?

 

They only ship to Europe

 

Just noticed HIDevolution now have the G.SKILL RAM upgrades as an option for people ordering a P870DM-G! Very impressive, they are truly catering to the performance enthusiasts just like EUROCOM

 

I only see it as a good thing. People who want delidding KNOW that it will void their warranty with Intel, and don't care. For people who don't, their warranties will still be in tact.

With that said, have you EVER heard of an Intel CPU RMA'd, or even an AMD CPU RMA'd? I highly doubt you have, I have obviously never heard of either type of CPU ever being RMA'd.

I would never trust someone who pulls numbers like 20% and 60% out of thin air, no offense to you.

 

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but since I bought that Silicon Lottery CPU that overclocks to 4.8 GHz before delidding (that's on a desktop setup), wouldn't the delid service that I ordered kinda guarantee that it would run at that speed on my laptop?

@johnksss

 

I have RMA'd several over the years, directly with Intel and through the original store I got it from.

Microcenter has a special relationship with Intel, and besides having the lowest prices for CPU's - if you go in to the store - and even lower priced bundles, they handle the warranty for you.

I had a bad 2700k and a bad 980x over years with them, and they handled it for me.

For earlier CPU returns I worked with Intel directly, but that was so long ago it was before Pentium 4 - I think there was an Intel 200MX and before that a Pentium II - a few of those.

So it is possible

 

no. Delid or not, 1.42v is high and they are testing it on a different system. I wont expect 4.8ghz straight out of the box.

 

Wow, that is the first time I have ever heard of a CPU being RMA'd. I imagine the number of RMA's the intel sees is exorbitantly low, although I wouldn't know for sure.

 

All Unknowns, it's more likely, and certainly most likely, but you won't know until it's installed, glooped with paste, fitted into place, and powered up.

It's all very exciting

 

Not really, because they do the overclocking tests on a desktop board. Most of those high end boards have a lot of features/build to facilitate overlocking and support it for extended loads.(VRMs/Nb/SB/power delivery etc etc)

Specially when you look at this :

The VCORE is rather high for laptop based cooling, they are using an AIO and a Maximus board. Plus, i might be wrong here, but sower memory used to help with achieving better clocks, at least for older generations of i7's.
Most benchmarks i have seen here top out at 1.3XX volts.

You might be able to reach 4.8Ghz, but maintaining it without extensive tweaking will be hard. Specially i you wish to hold it for day to day usage.

 

It's true that most people don't think to RMA for some reason. They just eat the loss, and move on.

But, I learned early on that you need to file a report on failures - as the vendor wants feedback, and will pay for it by replacing failed parts.

Intel is just like any other company, and can be worked with - if you are polite and patient with them, and explain the situation clearly, honestly, and repeatedly until they understand and agree to an RMA replacement.

 

Move on...?

I'm saying, I would imagine that Intel and AMD CPUs both have extremely low failure rates in the first place, as I haven't ever heard of a CPU up and fail just like that.

I don't think CPUs fail as commonly as you seem to be saying they do?

 

I never had a CPU failure in all the 18 years I've been using PCs

 

The problem will be keeping temperatures in check. 4.8ghz delid or not, you will have to make sure you can provide the cooling for it to run @ 4.8Ghz.

 

I'm not going to disagree that SL's test bed is different than running on a P870DM, but within the constraints of SL's process of binning the highest performing CPU's, you stand the best chance available by getting their top tier bin.

The best binned CPU in their set up should be the best binned CPU in any setup.

I do understand the absolute result could vary depending on platform weaknesses and how a CPU might respond to those differing parameters.

And, SL says that on their site on each CPU page, your results may vary by +-100mhz.

Whether your setup can reach the same highest clock rate is up to your hardware and your ability to get the best from that hardware.

We are seeing P870DM's run at 4.8ghz solid OC's already, so it's possible, and getting top tier binned CPU's only increases your odd's, it's not a slam dunk.

Delidding improves the cooling, so maybe that will stretch out the capability of the CPU further than the binned 4.8ghz, or maybe it will only run cooler at the same 4.8ghz.

It's all very exciting

 

Right, I was being a little bit too optimistic then thinking if it could do 4.8 GHz on a desktop, then maybe with the delid it would achieve it easily also on a laptop

Can't wait till I get it next week along with my 2 extra tubes of CLU to try it out with that 2800 MHz G.Skill 64B RAM Kit

 

When you work with as many computers as I do, the numbers catch up with you eventually

I see errors, failures, design vs manufactured part variances create all sorts of fun problems many times over the years.

It's unusual if you work with 1-10, maybe even 100 computers. But, when you work with 100k's, %'s catch up and you see weird ****

 

same

Hmm, fair enough... It's just, with the computers I have worked with, it's always the motherboard, the GPU, the RAM, the PSU, the HDDs... NEVER the CPU. I would still imagine that the CPU is the least likely component to fail.

 

Spoiler: Perception vs Preconceived notion

It's a common problem I run across when helping clients get through log jams in problem solving.

Quite often their inexperience with a type of situation doesn't allow them to accept it is happening.

They can't accept their perceptions as it contradicts their preconceived view of what makes sense.

Instead of common sense winning the day and debugging to root cause continuing, they get mired down in the "impossibility" of a problem, and can't move forward.

To watch, when you have seen it so many times that you can recognize them blocking on reality. The fun part comes as you walk them through and past their blockage into normal thought processes, on through to the solution - which they have probably already considered and rejected.

Of course that is not always the case, sometimes they really have no clue what is going on, and the symptoms have no reasonable correlation to the root cause. Those are my fun ones.

Why can't 10 trays of memory be bad? Why can't a whole shipment of CPU's not pass? What do you mean you removed those 10 parts from every board from an entire production run 3 times, and it's still not working?

It's those kind of things that build experience over the years, and give you the confidence to move forward in critical situations immediately before a problem stops a company dead in it's tracks.

It's a bad CPU.

Spoiler: It's a Bad CPU

We are off of CPU's, but it's the same thing with finding a bad CPU. A hot Core for example.

Why is 1 Core 20c hotter than the others? We re-pasted it 4 times, with 2 different pastes, using 2 different people to re-paste, and it always comes out that core 2 (3 actually) is running 20c hotter than the others.

It's a bad CPU.

What do you mean it's a bad CPU? How could it be a bad CPU? There are never bad CPU's, in 18 years I have never seen a bad CPU.

It's a bad CPU. Do you have more than one in that production batch of computers that has similar Hot Core results? No? Then it's not a production assembly problem with the computer, it's a bad CPU, RMA it.

See what I mean? It's a perception issue, and you can talk yourself out of the solution very easily. Stop doing that to yourselves

Spoiler: It was a Seagull

I once had a fellow motorcycle rider that was struck by a bird on his right shoulder at freeway speed, he was a big guy so he didn't break anything, but it made a bloody mess out of his nice jacket.

You know what he said, first thing after stopping?

Birds don't hit you!!, Birds get out of the way!!, I've never had a Bird hit me, this didn't just happen, it can't happen. What happened?

I said, It did happen man, it was a Bird, give thanks it's a dead bird and not a dead you, get over it, it's getting dark and cold, we gotta ride

We both laughed about that one for a long time.

It's all in our perception of reality. We fool ourselves daily, hourly, by the minute quite frequently, because we reject the obvious - the undeniable facts - immediately out of hand, without regard for the reality staring us in our face, because we don't want to accept it - "it's not possible".

Everything's possible, sometimes it happens to you

 

I mean, I didn't say it's IMPOSSIBLE, I know it does happen from time to time but I believe it's still the least likely to fail or be bad out of all computer components.

Anyways, we should probably get back on topic. The moral of the story is, I think it's quite awesome that HIDevolution is willing to delid CPUs for people who want that.

 

correction, they don't delid the CPU, they are ordering the CPU for me from Silicon Lottery already delidded.

Delidding voids the warranty and they as a reseller will not entertain that; they are ordering it for me delidded as per my request.

 

Oh, I see. That makes a bit more sense. Still, that's very interesting that they're willing to do that - you don't hear about that very often.

 

never actually! they are catering towards the enthusiast needs by offering such options and now offering G.SKILL 2666 MHz RAM on some models and soon they will offer 2800MHz RAM as well.

That's why I keep recommending them everywhere, I gain nothing, just want others to enjoy the great service I am enjoying.

 

I thought Silicon Lottery was doing the binning and Delidding?

HIDRevolution is letting the customer choose their own source for some components and facilitating procurement - in @Phoenix's case because he is from "out of town".

Mythlogic also allows the customer to provide components.

It should also be mentioned that all these special arrangements are up to each individual and company to negotiate between each other, and may not be available in the future.

 

They only show the gskill 2666 on their site. Do they have the 2800CL18 version too?

 

Thank you for the information. Do you think they will send these to me in Norway if I order? I have to add 25% tax on top of the item and shipping. Impossible to circumvent this. Norway is like a tax dictatorship and the government takes all it can see coming across the border from overseas.

 

Re: RMA. Yes both intel and amd RMA -- and in most cases they are very generous with the process. When I was doing a lot of liquid cooling back before closed loops existed I RMAed 4 or 5 that were toast from anything from pushing OC's too hard to not getting numbers out of the OC to pin damage. In fact if you look through SL's own forums you will find SL folks telling people to RMA to intel or newegg as an option.

Re the 20% / 60% numbers, I would suggest you look at SL's page if you don't trust me -- they confirm they are getting ~20% non delid 4.8 OCs on the 6700ks. Most all of the 6700k's I have seen OC stable to 4.8k just running the benchmarks outside in a ~0c garage. Thermal stability is the problem for most and much of that is due to the janky paste on the lid. I would bet a lot of money that most of the differences seen on OCability without delidding is actually the paste job on the chip and not the silicon.

 

Yes, if they are really not delidding/repasting then IMHO they are just finding chips with some mix of better paste jobs or better silicon. They do, however, state they test with a decent water cooling loop. So the laptop may not be able to maintain the core temps low enough to match their 4.8ghz test. I would bet that delidding+liquid metal would not affect the temps on those CPU's as much as one that flaked out lower than 4.8 at normal ambient temps.

 

From what I have seen the high CLs attached to these high speed chips make it basically a net washout on benchmarks no?

 

Won't they be capable of 3200/14?

 

I just hope I can hit 4.8 GHz with my Silicon Lottery CPU when it arrives next week.

Update: HIDevolution are sending me two tubes of Liquid Ultra for free as a bonus with my order!

 

net washout? what does that mean? sorry English is not my first language

 

@Papusan

Here is the final bill as per you request:

 

Dude, those are too expensive @ $.02 each. Im sure you know you are getting ripped off. /jk

 

haha, yeah I know right? It's drilling a hole in my pocket

They had to put any price for their system as they cannot ship a product without a price or enter it in the quotation

 

You received a very good price for those ram chips. Normal price is <$610>? I think the shop like you, HaHa.
I would give you reps, but have to spread reps to other first. Thanks