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    People beak the screen on the Blade 14 all the time, is it really that bad?

    Discussion in 'Razer' started by QuickSkope, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. QuickSkope

    QuickSkope Notebook Geek

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    I mean, the way this forums talks about that screen, it could be made from pure garbage. I personally don't see a huge difference between a 900p screen and a 1080p screen, but Im assuming its not JUST the resolution people are whinning about.
     
  2. mario64

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    Nobody is complaining about the resolution. The issue is the panel has horrible vertical viewing angles and poor black level/colors. Razer could have used a better quality 900p screen but chose not to. Yes it's that bad...but still I kept mine
     
  3. QuickSkope

    QuickSkope Notebook Geek

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    Humm, know anywhere where they have them on demo? Id love to see one.
     
  4. quickie

    quickie Notebook Evangelist

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    I recently purchased the Razer Blade 14". From all the reviews the only real negative thing they said about the Blade was the low quality screen. Is this true? I am coming from the Asus g46 with the 720 screen in it. They said it was bad but I thought the screen looked alright minus the low res. 1600X900 in my opinion is a great gaming resolution. Please let me know if the quality is at least as good or better than the g46.
     
  5. fusoyaii

    fusoyaii Notebook Guru

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    Just look at Anandtech's review, they give some objective numbers on the panel. In the end screen quality is pretty subjective, there are plenty of people who own one and are happy with it. In a vacuum it would probably be fine, but the fact that there are better quality screens in existence and Razer chose to go with these is what's bothersome... to me.

    Anandtech's Review
     
  6. quickie

    quickie Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks best review yet, very informative.
     
  7. Colpolite

    Colpolite Notebook Deity

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    Is the anti glare display on the Razer 14 grainy or is it bright and clear especially on white backgrounds?
     
  8. KSMB

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    its one of the more crappy TN screens ive seen....

    the viewing angles are soooo bad...colours are even worse then a $1000 laptop.


    .........for $ 1700 you should get a S-IPS or at least a really good TN screen (such as DELLs True life or Vaios X-BLACK) shame on you Razer
     
  9. Medical

    Medical Notebook Enthusiast

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    That and their quality control seems to be having issues. A number of units seem to be defective upon purchase or shortly after use.
     
  10. Colpolite

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    I don't mind the 900p resolution and the TN panel. It's the quality of the panel that I care about, I could care less about the viewing angle so IPS/PLS is not a requirement. What we were expecting is a good quality TN panel with good color gamut, good black levels, good contrast ratio.

    Now I've never seen how good the TN panel is on the Razer 14 so I can't judge, but from what people are saying that owns it, it is terrible or it is good enough or whatever.
     
  11. KSMB

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    if you stand the 14" Razer side by side with the macbook Air 13" (TN screen).......its a BIG difference...........and the macbook air costs $700-800 less

    who cares if you have a Haswell CPU and gtx765m GPU and if your screen is mediocre.......gaming, movies & photo editing gets crap anyway

    for me (and a lot of other people) the screen is number 2 in hardware on a laptop.....i rather have a good i5 cpu, 5400rpm harddrive AND a great screen......then a Razer 14"
     
  12. Colpolite

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    Knowing that the MBA 13 screen is TN, when you compared it to Razer 14 and the Razer looks out of place and horrible then are we in agreement that it's a bad quality TN panel?
     
  13. KSMB

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    listen....nearly every single Razer 14" reviews COMPLAIN about the screen quality,.......is that good enough ????

    see the quality here:
    Razer Blade 14 Unboxing & Overview - YouTube

    rewind to 08:28

    ALSO REMEMBER.....there is VERY good TN laptop screens out there...(i have 2 laptop with great colour gamut and blackness, etc... (my 120Hz dell 7720 and my older xps m1710)

    Vaio and HP have several models with awesome TN screens....so as DELL.
     
  14. Colpolite

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    I believe you, if the dispay of the 14 is even worst than the MBA's TN panel then it must be really bad lol
     
  15. KSMB

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    ha ha ha....Linus (the reviewer) say (and i quote): "ITS ONE OF THE WORSE SCREENS I SEEN ON A NOTEBOOK"

    WOW RAZER.....you really did it !


    PS......this guy (Linus) reviews laptop and computers every single day, year around.......i take his words pretty high.
     
  16. aaronjb

    aaronjb Notebook Consultant

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    I think this horse has been beaten repeatedly, but the display is of such poor quality that I initially thought my unit was defective.
     
  17. 3klips3

    3klips3 Notebook Consultant

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    I own both a MB Air 13" latest generation and a RB 14". I did the side by side comparison and Ill tell you that the difference is not as drastic as you make it seem. In my opinion the glass screen on the MB Air gives it the appearance of a higher quality screen to some people. The overhead washout angle for both screens are very similar. The under view washout of the Blade is more drastic but I think there are more people who stand up and look down on their laptop (ie standing at a desk) than there are those who look up at it (ie from a lying down position).
     
  18. Colpolite

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    How about some pictures??? Since you got both mba 13 and Razer 14. Put them on side by side
     
  19. 3klips3

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    As requested.

    image.jpg image-1.jpg

    That's weird on my laptop the photos are oriented properly.?.
     
  20. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    the mba doesnt have glass in front of the screen. and I can see the difference from the display quality

    its certainly a drawback for that model, how much is for anyone to guess themselves
     
  21. 3klips3

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    You are incorrect about the MBA display. Mine does have a glass display I have the upgraded model.

    Its funny that you would try to even convince me that there is some drastic difference when I own both laptops and have both sitting right in front of me along with my MBP. As I said the screen thing is blown way out of proportion. Is there a difference? Yes. But its a slight difference when comparing the RB to the MBA.
     
  22. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    not trying to convince anyone here, pointed that its a drawback on the model how that would matter for anyone is their personal opinion

    the 2010 models onwards dont have a glass panel. I dont remember if the earlier models had it, I dont think so

    aside that I still can see the difference in quality, and the mba display is nothing to brag about
     
  23. 3klips3

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    The MBA does not have a glass cover but the LCD is glass like all LCD's. my point is that the perceptive quality difference is because of the lack of an overlay screen like the one on on the RB. If there was a matte cover over the MBA LCD the visual experience would be very similar between the MBA and the RB.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
     
  24. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    AnandTech | The 2012 MacBook Air (11 & 13-inch) Review

    AnandTech | Razer Blade 14-Inch Gaming Notebook Review

    as you can see, while I still can see the difference, the display of the mba is nothing to brag about

    this is a good enough display

    AnandTech | 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro Review (Late 2012)

    this is what razer should have used, the 14" version of course

    AnandTech | Toshiba KIRAbook Ultrabook Review

    this is another good enough display

    AnandTech | ASUS UX31A: Putting the Ultra in Ultrabooks

    even the low res mbp 13 has a better display

    this is a personal matter that has been bashed by every reviewer. I dont like the display, this is visible, I like good displays, that aside kb and touchpad is the main avenue for interacting with the pc, so I like em at least good enough

    the display quality has become more proiminent since the rise of the tablets and their good displays, now we want them on our pcs that are classified as high end consumer, enterprise class has the same problem and workstation delivers the best in terms of display that not even most of the desktop displays cant match

    would I still buy this if I was in dire need of a new pc? yes. Do i recommend the model despite that flaw? yes. Basically if razer delivered on the display this would be the king of notebooks as of this year, they didnt.
     
  25. KSMB

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    EEEHHH ????????????? you see nothing in this photo

    place the laptop side by side (as you did)...

    BUT take 2 photos...one with the screens fold half backwards and one with the screens fold half forward

    then we really see how bad colours and blackness response with angles
     
  26. 3klips3

    3klips3 Notebook Consultant

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    Could you explain to me the practical use case for those two screen orientations? BTW as I mentioned before the results are similar from an above angle (the more likely use case) but the MBA has much better viewing angles from below.
     
  27. NJ.Joey

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    It doesn't make the display any better... but Razer knows the display quality wasn't great and intentionally used this display for response time. In this price range, they could have easily used a display that looked better with a minimal impact on cost. Keep in mind that Razer is a niche market manufacturer. They're not going after any of the big players. They're not going after "casual" gamers, but rather trying to offer the most portable solution for serious gamers (remember the portable part... there are clearly more powerful larger machines). To that end, people that seriously game (i.e. competitively, LAN parties, etc.) will typically want a faster response time (nearly twice as fast in this case) over a display that looks better. While a nicer looking display is we... nice... it doesn't offer any competitive edge. There are plenty of other options out there if the absolute best performance to size ratio isn't your concern. So it really wan't a case of just being cheap or not knowing what they were doing. Think about the Razer Blade... There was so much that went into the design there really is no way they would put a poor display if there wasn't a reason.


    From Min Liang Tan (Razer):

     
  28. quickie

    quickie Notebook Evangelist

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    Just received my razer in. I have to say coming from an Asus g46 the screen is amazing. I think its a little too bright but it has a sharp image.
     
  29. Colpolite

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    How are the colors and is the matte screen grainy/sparkly especially on white backgrounds?
     
  30. 3klips3

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    This screen is slightly grainy because of the texture of the matte display. Because of the fact that you are asking this question I will assume that you know what I mean by this as it is typical of many matte display. Its not so much so as to have any affect on viewing the screen, its just not quite as crisp as a glossy display.
     
  31. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    bull crap, simple and utter bull crap

    the panel on the x1c which is not even a good enough panel (mainly because of the screen door effect) also has better specs than this panel and the same response time

    AnandTech | Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook Review

    go for the dual core SB i7 instead of the quads that made SB great? lack of cooling capability and that was by far the most problematic blade in terms of cooling

    quad performance gain from clarksfield (first gen core i quad) to sandy bridge quad was just 100% a 940xm would compete with the base OEM model quad and it would lose. quad performance gain from SB to ivb? 10%

    lest not forget that the blade r2 suffered a dramatic change in cooling


    all points are bull crap
     
  32. lukaskt

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    This thing is amazing. I personally like the screen and am very happy with this purchase. Now to find a suitable case..
     
  33. Nick11

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    Agreed, the feedback on the screen is blown WAY out of proportion. Going from the Razer Blade R2 to the Razer Blade 14'' its no big deal at all....
     
  34. lukaskt

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    Yep. This is actually one of the best things I've used ever. I know a 1080p IPS would seal the deal, but it's quite fine and I'm 1000% happy with my purchase. No other laptop can even come close to this, this IS the MacBook Retina of the PC side
     
  35. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    as I said the screen being enough is a matter of personal taste

    and this would be the rmbp in the windows side if it actually had a high dpi screen and a good enough panel, i.e. at least 70% of aRGB coverage, colour accuracy, distribution, fluxtuation is another matter
     
  36. wrecks

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    I posted these pics before. It's just a matter of taste (I value your opinions, just don't disrespect ours) and what laptops you had before. Bottom line the screen could be better in color and black levels for the $$ we spent and what is available in 2013. Did I return my Razer 14? No cause it does everything else well.

    Also I game or use my laptop in a controlled environment. Therefore I prefer a glossy screen. But when I do use it outside I don't see the flaws of the black levels as much. It really the best screen when your are outside.

    Pics of the 3 laptops and 1 monitor I had around me.
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    Pics of Sypder Analysis

    Razer 14 2013
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    MacBook Air Early 2011
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    Sony Vaio Pro 2013
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    I'm super excited what gaming laptops in 2 years will look like. Razer made other manufactures think twice about form factor with some gaming power.
     
  37. shakado

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    Are you coming from the asus g46 with the 1600X900 screen or the 1366x768 one? I have the 900p one and I'm thinking of switchin over to the Razer, but like many others, I'm worried about the screen quality.
     
  38. Nivaku

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    He has the one that's 1366x768 which is understandable on why the razer screen would be an upgrade. The Asus G46 can also come with the 1600x900, but I don't know how that quality is though, from the reviews on what people are saying, it's pretty decent in terms of viewing angles