2020 Razer Stealth 13” 1650ti MQ

Razer is releasing a updated Stealth with GTX 1650ti full 25W CPU power limit and 120Hz screen.
I have a few questions about this model:

1) so one good thing is you don’t need a do anything with the CPU as it uses 25W does anyone know if it uses that in all profiles balanced and gaming?
How much of a performance difference will we see with a 25W CPU over last years 15W?

2) I don’t know much about the new GTX 1650ti MQ , is it just a higher clocked GTX 1650 MQ?
The lack of info is frustrating and hard to determine how much better this GPU is over last years model, how much performance boost will we see with this newer GPU?

3) is the 120Hz screen as good a quality over last years 1080p screen which in my eyes a better choice over the 4k, is it glossy or matte and still over 400 nits?

4) In general how much of a performance boost in gaming should we expect for the new Stealth ?
5% -10% or more , less ?

Any reviews of this model? The general lack of info of this model it’s pretty hard to determine if the upgrades are worth it and my hard earned money.

Thanks

 

No I don’t see any review yet apparently no one has 120Hz yet. And YouTubers don’t release it yet even I cought the 3Dmark result on one g14 review.
That’s not clear which performance mode is being used, but physical score isn’t much improved.


For comparison this’s “25” watt Blade Stealth late 2019 results.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21401039
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9965117

Blade FHD always mate and 4K/higher resolution always glossy touch btw. One thing I want is that 120Hz, 60Hz suck

 

Do you have the 2019 Stealth with 25W Bios mode? How much higher do temps get?
Do you know anything about the GTX 1650ti? Is it the same card with just higher clocks?
I have not found any info on it.

 

According notebookcheck, yes it’s a bit higher frequency clock and boost, no gaming FPS comparison yet but on synthetic it’s around 5 to 10% better apparently.
Yes extra tdp means extra heat, I see only on call of duty hitting 90ish, rest are seemly fine (mid 80ish, recently I play mostly non cpu demand indie titles on it) with that imon tweak unlock the power limit, but when I reset to default 15 watt on the same game, it is (the cpu) surprisingly never touch 80ish, I didn’t pay attention on FPS but it’s @1080p on 15 watt across anyway 60fps that made me want that 120Hz screen.

 

Very nice find!

I know it's not enough to go by, but comparing the CPU scores between your BIOS-modded blade and the new 2020 blade, it looks like the new blade is NOT running 25W when the GPU is going...

 

The conclusion is wrong. The reason BIOS modded RBS is so insane, is that with the mod, the CPU can sustain at 35w with boost over 50w. It becomes basically a Tiger Lake H 45w (10nm) CPU instead of "25w". Remember, the mod is not a switch that remove the 15w limit and allow the CPU to perform as designed 25w. But it actually change the function that BIOS use to translate analog signal into actual power being put through the CPU. While the CPU is actually drawing 35w, the BIOS think it is really drawing 12w-ish, so it will not activate any power limit.

 

I know exactly how the BIOS mod works, I have it on my stealth. It's trivially easy to set it up to run at a specific TDP (like, say, 25W) instead of wide open. I assumed from his wording - incorrectly, it turns out - that he had his set up to limit itself to 25W.

I just ran a Timespy test on my 2019 stealth with an actual limit of 25W. My scores are GPU 2941, CPU 3940, overall 3057 (I have a mild undervolt on my CPU, that may explain the slightly higher CPU score than the 2020 version). Clearly my previous post was wrong... if the benchmarks for the 2020 version are correct, then it looks like the 2020 does allow 25W to the CPU.

 

Review

http://translate.google.com/transla...ook-gamer-mit-schneller-hardware-im-test.html

 

Hope someone figures how to flash the GPU to the 40W GTX 1650ti that has higher clocks, according to the review above the GPU runs cool and should be able to handle the extra 5W and higher clocks.

 

GPU on Blade always runs cool the problem is cpu, on Warzone I can’t use 25 watt since I hate seeing things on 90ish, except gpu usage. Should first looking on techpowerup for laptops gpu bios that use 40 watt that match Blade 1650ti bios size I think.

 

What are the stock clocks on the GPU on the 2019 RB stealth? Wonder how they compare.

 

According gpu z it’s 1020 with boost 1245mhz, on HWinfo64 it’s rarely hits 35 watt though mostly on 15 watt but on superposition the benchmark and afterburner telling mostly on 1500mhz even spike to 1620mhz, I’m confused, maybe I forgot to set some values to default on imon bios Yes that sensor is maybe being stupid now due the tweak because I keep fooling it

 

So not really that big a difference compared to the older GTX 1650MQ wonder what the ti in the 2020 RB Stealth really is? Seems just like a rebrand

 

I think with some tweak and optimization it’ll be better like 10%, this’s nvidia in 2020, every gpu would be 10% different to its next class I guess.

 

Man this thing is selling out fast, got notification saying it’s available and by the time I went on Razer it was sold out of the 120Hz screen model.
Hope there are some detailed reviews soon on temps, fan noise and performance

 

I wouldn't get it from Razer directly but rather Microsoft or Best Buy so you can get one of their extended warranties. This model was in stock at BB for a bit, but is sold out. You can still order one, and they'll ship it when available again.

 

No your right I usually by from the MS store where I get a discount but only signed up for the notification just to see when it’s available again.
I could get the 4k version for $1799 but that’s not the model I want.

 

I also buy from MS store when they have it, but this time I went through Razer and got the 3 year elite. One thing I did not know and maybe the others do this also? But Razer will buy back your warranty at a prorated rate, so if you keep a 3 year for 1 year they will pay you back what 2 years would be worth? They also transfer the warranty to any new owner. Not even sure how good their elite is but just found the buy back option interesting.

 

Lots of horror stories out there about people who have the "Elite" warranty being jerked around for repairs. I'd personally rather deal with BB or MS since I could take the laptop to a store if needed.

 

I didn't realize Microsoft store had extended warranty for none Microsoft machines. Gonna have to keep that in mind as I've had two nightmare experiences with Razer customer service. If I was to buy any of they're products I would definitely go through Microsoft store.

 

Honestly I buy several notebooks a year, and Razer is often one of them, I still have 3 laying around here that still works, After 2018 I can say for me their service has been much better, fast returns and easy to reach a person, prior to 2018 terrible and the products were like a time bomb, I had chargers going bad, battery swelling up busting the chassis and more but knock on wood I have not had those issues in a few years.

 

Hopefully it works out for you. I was tempted to snag one of the new ones, but my local Best Buy took in an open-box 2019 Stealth GTX so I'm trying that out. So far, I'm really liking it. The keyboard layout sucks, and the 60 Hz screen is a come-down from other laptops I've used. They're compromises I'm willing to live with, however, given the $500+ price differential between what I paid for it versus the 2020.

 

I bought that same model when they first came out, I gave it to my daughter who is 13 in Jan and she beats the crap out of it and its going strong.

 

Was it just to small for you? Did you like it for the time you used it?

 

Exactly, too small for me, I went with the 15 surface laptop 3 with Intel chip, for my business trips.

Personally hated the keyboard, everything else was good.

 

I paid €500 less on Black Friday, if I could sell it for the same price I’d get rid of that 60Hz display and go with 120Hz, though kind lazy selling and packing thing and idk how good are the display quality compared to current one, I mean the color accuracy isn’t bad at all in my eyes.

can you please run 3Dmark from it, the best possible way you can pull out of it would be nice.

 

From a color standpoint, the 60 Hz display is much nicer than most high-refresh laptop panels I've used of late. Thus far, the Stealth is fitting my usage pattern more capably than larger, higher-performance laptops at similar or cheaper price points. I just couldn't justify the cost until this open box one came along.

 

They do say the 120Hz refresh rate panel has 100% sRGB so it should be good , only thing I need to know before potentially purchasing are the thermals and fan noise with the new 25W CPU limit when gaming.
Curious to see how much better the GTX 1650ti is over the GTX in real life too, I suspect not too much but any performance gains are welcome.

 

Only a matter of time before someone jam this sucker in https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7266...b-nvme-2-ssd-up-to-3-4gb-sec-reads/index.html

 

The 4TB model is $900. So that thing might cost more than the laptop itself. And yet. . .I want it. . .

 

Yes me...in 2030....on black Friday deal maybe

 

Anyone have the new model yet? I am seriously contemplating trying one out. Haven't owned a Razor, have been nervous with support stories and the longevity in which the machines seems to last.

 

This YouTuber smacking down 4K one with MacBook Pro 13 2020 maybe you want to check out

 

There’s apparently no huge gpu performance bump to a ti, I compared same setting no bios moding no OC default friendly synapse gaming mode

 

Longevity is highly dependent on how you care for the machine. I refuse to let my RBP operate above 80C. No problems so far with my RBP FHD 2017 but that’s because it got liquid metal on day 0

 

That’s a bit disappointing, didn’t expect a huge jump but at least something tangible.
So the only upgrade seems to be the screen.
Would be interesting to see if gaming has the same results.

 

I didn't think the short right shift on the late 2019 Blade Stealth would be a big deal, especially since I got it cheap on an open-box deal, but I thought wrong. I drove 35 miles one way to grab the last 2020 that was available from Best Buy at the time. Of course, two days later, the store that's closest to me gets one in stock. C'est la vie.

Anyway, the revised keyboard and 120 Hz screen are huge improvements so while it was quite the expensive upgrade, it's proving to very much be worth it.

 

Review: FINALLY!

https://www.notebookcheck.net/2020-...the-2019-Version-But-Done-Right.469724.0.html

 

So how do you find the fan noise when gaming?

 

I haven't run any strenuous games on it, but with a combined Furmark/AIDA64 load, the fans get loud. I wouldn't deem them irritating, however, at least not given the form factor. They're much less obnoxious than my two previous Asus laptops.

 

Any chance the ASUS was a G14?

 

GU502. I could have lived with the noise had the Armoury Crate software not been positively abysmal.

 

I managed to grab a Blade Stealth 2020 with 1650Ti and 60Hz Pnael für 1250 EUR off Amazon Warehouse. It is going to arrive this evening. Fingers crossed there isn't something else in the box (happened to me six times already, that I got something diffrent, because scammers send back their old stuff to amazon and kept the new model)

I do have a couple of questions to those that already own it:

- Did you manage to overclock the display? The last IPS 60Hz noebook display I had manged to do 100 Hz. This could be a dealbreaker for me.
- Can you undervolt with Throttlestop and if you do, what boost clocks are achievable in conjunktion with the GPU?
- Is there a way to increase the Power Limits of the CPU and or GPU? E.g. flash a different GPU bios...
- Can you overclock the GPU with MSI Afterburner?
- Does this Guide also apply to the 2020 Stealth model? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...otential-to-unlock-all-hidden-options.830993/
- How is the thermal paste job? I once owned a HP Omen where a repaste with liquid metal was pretty much mandatroy. Can you repaste the Stealth 13 and do you recommend doing that or have any experience with it?

Thank you for your help.

 

You won the panel lottery in that instance. Overclocking laptop displays is more of a gamble than on desktop monitors. The one you get may do something, but don't count on it. You should have just bought the 120 Hz model if it's important enough to be a deal breaker otherwise.

Maybe, maybe not. Razer recently released BIOS updates for the 15- and 17-inch models that disable undervolting, but so far the Stealth is untouched. That doesn't mean it wasn't already locked from the factory, which may be more likely on the 1080p/60 model because it came out later than the 1080p/120 and 4K/60 versions.

The Blade Stealth 2020 can pull 25W, which is the maximum for the 1065G7. It may be technically possible to flash a non Max-Q vBIOS, but I wouldn't given the size and cooling of the laptop. Remember, the Blade's aluminum chassis acts like a giant heatsink so doing things that output even more heat will make it uncomfortable to use unless you have an external mouse and keyboard.

You could, but Afterburner eats CPU cycles, which causes the CPU to not downclock properly. That in turn causes more heat and will kill your battery life. If you want to use the software for the OSD while gaming, only run it for those times.

It was fine when I had mine, but you can change it yourself if you feel so inclined.

 

I read it only pulls 15W if the 1650 is used and downclocks to something like 1.5-1.8 GHz, which is very limiting for gaming.

 

That was true on the late 2019 model. The 2020 is 25W all the time.


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I have the late 2019 model.

I got mine in the mail this afternoon.

At first I tried to open the chassis to install a bigger SSD. Those tiny cheap torx screws are a mess. Two of them were stuck heavily and it took me an hour where I had to get really creative to finally pull them out. Now most of them cannot be used again and I am looking for a replacement, preferably with a Philips' head.

The screen overclocks to 68MHz. That's not much, but better then nothing.

Can some once please send me the blade.icm color profile file? I don't know how to extract it from the original ssd without buying an USB-to-NVME adapter.

 

I was going based on the 2020 because that was the model you said you had in your first post. The 2019 version of the 1065G7 will only pull 25W if the 1650 (not a Ti in this version) is not active.

 

Sorry, my bad. I did not know that there are two revisions of the 1650Ti Stealth models. It's the 2019/15W machine.

 

So had a question here, how is the ghosting on the 120hz panel? I had a 60 hz panel 2019 one and the ghosting was too bad for me and had to return it. Curious where this one stacks up.