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    Sony VAIO P Review

    Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by Jerry Jackson, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. Jerry Jackson

    Jerry Jackson Administrator NBR Reviewer

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    by Jerry Jackson

    This year at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas Sony stunned the world with the introduction of the VAIO P. This ultraportable notebook with an 8-inch screen fits inside your jacket pocket or your purse and packs an amazing amount of technology inside a tiny package. However, potential buyers and the press were also stunned when Sony announced the price would be $900 when slightly larger netbooks with similar specs cost half as much. Is the new Sony VAIO P an overpriced toy or an extraordinary travel laptop that's worth every penny? Let's take a closer look.

    Our pre-production Sony VAIO P features the following specifications:

    • 1.33GHz Z520 Intel Atom Processor
    • 2GB DDR2 800MHz (1 DIMM)
    • Windows Vista Basic SP1 (32-bit)
    • 8-inch 1600 x 768 glossy LED backlit display
    • 64GB Solid State Drive
    • Intel GMA 500 Integrated Graphics
    • 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi
    • 3G WWAN Verizon card
    • SD/SDHC Media card reader
    • Memeory Stick card reader
    • Sony "Motion Eye" webcam
    • 4-Cell Li-ion battery (6-cell extended life battery also available)
    • Size: 9.65" x 4.72" x 0.78"
    • Weight: 1lb 4.8oz (with 4-cell battery), 1lb 12oz (with 4-cell battery and AC adapter), 1lb 8.8oz (with 6-cell battery)
    • Starting price: $899.99
    • Price as configured: $1,199.99

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    Build and Design

    Despite the use of an Intel Atom processor, the design of the Sony VAIO P is quite unlike any netbook we've seen. The exterior is covered in glossy plastics with smooth lines, rounded edges, and a style that looks like it's trying to strike a balance between luxury and utility. The best way to describe the design is that the VAIO P looks like it's equal parts computer and fashion accessory. The look is pretty neat; something like a cross between a glossy smart phone and a netbook. Glossy plastic is found on the top of the screen cover as well as around the bottom of the laptop. Matte silver plastic is used around the keyboard and the internal frame uses magnesium alloy for extra support. Overall, the look is quite nice, but the glossy LCD lid is a magnet for fingerprints and makes the new netbook look a little tarnished after just a few minutes of use.

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    The build quality of the VAIO P is amazingly solid for a subnotebook of this size and weight. The construction is mostly plastic but all of the plastics feel strong enough to handle being tossed around inside a backpack or purse. Even the glossy plastic surfaces resist minor scratches. While we certainly don't recommend it over a padded laptop bag, the VAIO P is small enough to slide into your back pocket ... something you certainly can't do with any $500 netbook currently on the market.

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    In terms of upgradeability, the VAIO P is pretty limited. The chassis isn't designed to be opened and serviced by the owner. A qualified technician can open the VAIO P and repair it, but it won't be easy for you to open the chassis yourself. Honestly, there isn't much need to. The 2GB of system RAM is soldered to the motherboard so you cannot replace or upgrade it. Many of the netbooks we've seen to date require complex disassembly in order for you to get to the storage drive, system RAM, or wireless cards ... so this isn't anything new.

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    While it would have been nice for Sony engineers to include socketed RAM inside the VAIO P so you can upgrade it yourself, the reality is that a RAM socket won't fit inside a laptop this thin along with everything else that's packed inside. Bottom line, the Sony VAIO P is a marvel of modern engineering.

    Operating System and Software

    Our pre-production unit came equipped with Windows Vista Basic (32-bit), but its safe to assume Sony plans to offer the VAIO P with Windows 7 later this year. The reason Sony decided to use Windows Vista rather than Windows XP is because Microsoft now has very specific hardware requirements for laptops using Windows XP ... and the VAIO has too much RAM and a screen with too much resolution to qualify for a Windows XP license.

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    Although the VAIO P runs Windows Vista, Sony recognized that many business users and travelers would want to be able to access things like email, the Firefox web browser, a photo gallery, or instant messaging applications as quickly as possible. So, if you need to use your VAIO P as quickly as possible you can press a small button located next to the power button and you'll be ready to get online in roughly 20 seconds or less. Unlike most "instant on" operating systems we've seen over the last year, the Linux-based Sony XRoss interface feels genuinely snappy and might be a viable alternative to Windows Vista when you need to get online, share photos, or listen to some music quickly while on the road.

    Keyboard and Touchpad

    Most low-priced, full-size notebooks currently on the market feature poorly built keyboards that show significant flex/bounce when typing pressure is applied. Thankfully, most netbooks have remarkably firm keyboards due to the fact that the chassis is so small there isn't much empty space inside the notebook for the keyboard to flex or bounce.

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    The keyboard on the VAIO P is less cramped than what we've seen on the 7-inch and 8.9-inch netbooks, but the Sony keyboard is still very compact. Most netbook keyboards are quite frustrating to use because the small footprint and tiny keys require you to use a "hunt and peck" style of typing rather than traditional touch typing methods. This means that passwords get mangled, emails look like gibberish, and playing games that require keyboard commands becomes quite aggravating.

    You can still use the "hunt and peck" method of typing with the VAIO P, but since the keys have more spacing in between them it's a little easier to use standard touch typing methods. Bottom line, you can type long emails or reports without too much discomfort ... but you'll probably want to invest in an external keyboard if you plan to use this as your primary office computer.

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    The touchpad is, well, completely absent on the VAIO P. Rather than a typical touchpad the VAIO P uses a touchpoint or trackpoint pointing stick similar to what you find on many business-grade notebooks. The trackpoint is quite sensitive and easy to use, and even though I usually prefer to use touchpads I found the trackpoint to be very enjoyable. The left and right touchpoint buttons are located in the correct position beneath the space bar and have a shallow feedback and produce a light "click" when pressed.

    Display

    The glossy LED backlit display on the VAIO P is nice and vibrant with rich colors and excellent contrast. As stated, although the screen is small at just eight inches, it offers the unbelievable 1600 x 768 resolution. This does have the side effect of making small text difficult to read, but Sony was smart enough to design a very functional "magnify" tool that allows you to increase the size of what you're reading without changing the screen's resolution setting. Just press function (FN) and F10 keys and small text instantly becomes readable. The screen is a glossy XBRITE-ECO variety so expect some reflection under strong indoor lighting or direct sunlight.

    Horizontal viewing angles are good, so you and a friend won't have trouble watching a movie on the 8-inch screen at the same time. Vertical viewing angles are acceptable, but colors do tend to wash out from above and become inverted when viewed from below.

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    Ports and Features

    Port selection was something of a surprise with this Sony, since some netbooks that are slightly larger have fewer ports than what the VAIO P offers. You get two USB ports, two memory card readers, a headphone jack, and a dedicated expansion port used to connect a dongle that provides Ethernet/LAN and VGA out. The dongle connects to the AC power adapter so you can either keep it with the power adapter or carry it separately. There isn't much to complain about here, although there might have been enough space in the chassis design to support an additional USB port or Firewire. Here is a quick tour of what you get:

    Front: SD/SDHC card slot, Memory Stick card slot.

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    Rear: Battery

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    Left: Power jack, USB port, and headphone jack

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    Right: Security lock slot, USB, and expansion port

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    Here's a quick look at the AC adapter and expansion dongle:

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    Performance

    Regardless of how cool the Sony VAIO P looks there are many potential buyers who only care about one thing: performance. This is one area where the VAIO P might be a tough sell for some. In order to keep temperatures and power consumption as low as possible in this little notebook, Sony decided to use a 1.33GHz Intel Atom processor rather than the 1.6GHz Atom processor used in larger netbooks. While this helps keep the VAIO P from overheating and promotes better battery life, the bottom line is the VAIO P has a pretty weak processor.

    Like most Atom-based netbooks, the VAIO P has enough processor performance for basic tasks like web browsing or working in Microsoft Office, but don't expect to use this as a multimedia entertainment notebook. Since Sony includes Windows Vista with the VAIO P we also decided to test the new Windows 7 beta during our benchmark tests. Thankfully, Windows 7 seems to improve the overall performance of the VAIO P and makes this mobile computer a much more useful laptop. Windows Vista is okay, but Windows 7 makes the VAIO P much, much better.

    wPrime processor comparison results (lower scores mean better performance):

    Notebook / CPU wPrime 32M time
    Sony VAIO P (Intel Atom Z520 @ 1.33GHz, Windows Vista) 172.425 seconds
    Sony VAIO P (Intel Atom Z520 @ 1.33GHz, Windows 7 beta) 154.768 seconds
    HP Mini 2140 (Intel Atom N270 @ 1.60GHz) 138.812 seconds
    LG X110 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 124.609 seconds
    ASUS N10 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 126.047 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 117.577 seconds
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 127.172 seconds
    Acer Aspire One (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 125.812 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 901 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz)
    123.437 seconds
    MSI Wind (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz)
    124.656 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 900 (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz)
    203.734 seconds
    HP 2133 Mini-Note (Via CV7-M ULV @ 1.6GHz) 168.697 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 630MHz) 289.156 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 200.968 seconds
    Everex CloudBook (VIA C7-M ULV @ 1.2GHz) 248.705 seconds
    Fujitsu U810 Tablet PC (Intel A110 @ 800MHz)
    209.980 seconds
    Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (Core Solo U1500 @ 1.33GHz) 124.581 seconds
    Sony VAIO TZ (Core 2 Duo U7600 @ 1.2GHz) 76.240 seconds
    Dell Inspiron 2650 (Pentium 4 Mobile @ 1.6GHz) 231.714 seconds

    PCMark05 measures overall system performance (higher scores mean better performance):

    Notebook PCMark05 Score
    Sony VAIO P (1.33GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 500, Windows Vista) 972 PCMarks
    Sony VAIO P (1.33GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 500, Windows 7 beta) 1,175 PCMarks
    HP Mini 2140 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,489 PCMarks
    LG X110 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,463 PCMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,531 PCMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, NVIDIA 9300M 256MB) 1,851 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,527 PCMarks
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,446 PCMarks
    Acer Aspire One (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,555 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 901 (1.60GHz Intel Atom) 746 PCMarks
    MSI Wind (1.60GHz Intel Atom) N/A
    ASUS Eee PC 900 (900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV)
    1,172 PCMarks
    HP 2133 Mini-Note (1.6GHz VIA C7-M ULV) 801 PCMarks
    HTC Shift (800MHz Intel A110) 891 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (630MHz Intel Celeron M ULV) 908 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV) 1,132 PCMarks
    Everex CloudBook (1.2GHz VIA C7-M ULV)
    612 PCMarks
    Sony VAIO TZ (1.20GHz Intel Core 2 Duo U7600) 2,446 PCMarks
    Fujitsu LifeBook P7230 (1.2GHz Intel Core Solo U1400) 1,152 PCMarks
    Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 1,554 PCMarks
    Toshiba Portege R500 (1.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo U7600) 1,839 PCMarks

    3DMark06 measures video and gaming performance (higher scores indicate better performance):

    Notebook 3DMark06 Score
    Sony VAIO P (1.33GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 500, Windows Vista) 88 3DMarks
    Sony VAIO P (1.33GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 500, Windows 7 beta) 71 3DMarks
    HP Mini 2140 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 118 3DMarks
    LG X110 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 81 3DMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 73 3DMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, NVIDIA 9300M 256MB) 1,417 3DMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 95 3DMarks
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) N/A
    Acer Aspire One (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950)
    122 3DMarks
    Sony VAIO TZ (1.20GHz Core 2 Duo U7600, Intel GMA 950) 122 3DMarks
    HP dv2500t (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8400M GS 128MB) 1,055 3DMarks
    Sony VAIO FZ (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100) 532 3DMarks
    HP dv6000t (2.16 GHz Intel T7400, NVIDA GeForce Go 7400) 827 3DMarks

    HDTune hard drive performance results:
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    Speakers and Audio

    The speakers on the VAIO P are painfully weak. The built-in speakers on the VAIO P produce sound similar to what you hear coming from a cell phone set to the speaker phone option. The speakers are perfectly capable of playing short video clips or system sounds, but don't bother trying to use the built-in speakers for listening to your music library.

    The headphone jack on the VAIO P works well with the two different brands of earphones I used during the test. External speakers or headphones are obviously the way to go if you plan to use your VAIO P as a media player.

    Heat and Noise

    As we continue to see in our labs, nearly all of the Intel Atom-based netbooks produce a reasonable amount of heat while running. The Sony VAIO P is no exception to this rule. Under normal conditions such as surfing the web, typing a document, or downloading email attachments, exterior temperatures remained at acceptable levels. The external temperature readings below (listed in degrees Fahrenheit) were recorded while browsing the Web and watching an AVI movie file for approximately 25 minutes:

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    In terms of noise, our pre-production VAIO P was absolutely silent thanks to passive cooling. If you purchase the base configuration with a standard hard drive you can expect some very minor noise from the hard drive, but if you select the SSD option you will have a perfectly silent laptop.

    Battery

    Under normal use, backlight at 80 percent and using wireless for web browsing and typing documents in Microsoft Word without allowing the computer to go into sleep mode, the VAIO P managed to deliver two hours and 39 minutes of battery life with the standard 4-cell battery. The extended life 6-cell battery delivered 4 hours and 8 minutes of battery life using the same settings. Lowering the screen brightness and turning off the wireless card should provide even more time away from a power outlet.

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    The 6-cell battery is a little larger than the 4-cell battery, but the VAIO P is still amazingly compact even with the larger battery inside.

    Conclusion

    Sony wants you to believe the VAIO P is a "Lifestyle PC" and not a netbook. Whether or not consumers will see it that way remains to be seen. As we said in our first look review, "the Sony VAIO P is not your average netbook." In fact, the VAIO P probably comes as close as possible to being a "luxury netbook."

    Is it worth $900 when you can get a similar laptop for less money? That depends on what matters to you. The VAIO P has a revolutionary design, an extremely high-resolution display, and a few features you won't find in a $500 netbook. That said, it still uses a relatively weak processor and isn't designed to be a primary computer. If you plan to use the VAIO P as your primary family PC and multimedia center then you will probably be disappointed. If you plan to purchase the VAIO P as a lightweight travel laptop it might just be the perfect laptop on the market.

    Pros:

    • Smallest and lightest in class

    • Excellent build quality

    • Fantastic keyboard despite the small size

    • Responsive, business-grade touchpoint

    • Available with built-in 3G WWAN

    • No noisy cooling fan

    Cons:

    • Expensive for an Atom-based laptop

    • Gets a little hot

    • Glossy plastic lid is a magnet for fingerprints

    • Weak speakers, even for something this small

    • Not user-upgradeable

     
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  2. imtriggerhappy

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    omg... the performance is worst than I thought
     
  3. Theros123

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    It's really too bad about Vista...Even if it has an SSD, 2 gigs of Ram, I guess it can't make up for the terrible terrible CPU.
     
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    Red_Dragon Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Wow the *not user upgradeable* and *weak speakers* is a real trade off from those cons.

    on the other hand the Screen and Build quality are fantastic...
     
  5. Mark Larson

    Mark Larson Notebook Evangelist

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    Remember that Sony is giving the Europe and Japan markets 1.6Ghz and 1.86Ghz Atom CPUs while the US market only gets 1.33 Ghz even in the most expensive models. I'd suggest anyone looking at this netbook wait until Sony launches their 1.6Ghz model here.
     
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    its too expensive! it cost AU$1600 for the base HDD version and a UNBELIEVABLE AU$2300 for the SSD version. i mean.... LOL!

    pretty weak battery life also, considered this is an "ultraportable" machine.

    comparetively, the white macbook cost AU$1650 and the low-end alu macbook is AU$2100 and the high-end AU$2550

    ill take a macbook thanks!
     
  7. Rahul

    Rahul Notebook Prophet

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    It's amazing this actually has a higher resolution than their larger ultraportable 11" TZ/TT series.

    I have a feeling a lot of people will really be tweaking Vista on this or installing Windows 7 (Beta or the Retail version later on).
     
  8. monakh

    monakh Votum Separatum

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    As Mark mentioned, note that the Japanese Vaio P comes with a 1.8 Z-Class Atom CPU option. It might be closer to the N270 performance than this pitiful 1.3GHz jalopy. Why do you hate us Americans so, Sony?
     
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    My parents been using my old Fujitsu notebook for awhile and I was thinking of getting this as a replacement, but looking at the spec closely I just notice it doesn't have a mic.

    No mic = no skype. Yes, I know there is USB headset but still, a mic in hole is not exactly big, dont understand why Sony can't fit that in.

    The $900 dollar price is a bit expensive, but its Sony. I think loyal Sony user would find this $900 very normal for Sony products. Hahahaha
     
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    good review, thanks for this. Can you clarify the passive cooling part? So it has no cpu fan whatsoever?
     
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    Althernai Notebook Virtuoso

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    How long does that thing take to boot Vista? Must be quite a while if they've bothered to include the fast Linux distro.

    Also, regardless of what Microsoft says, it is madness to put Vista on a machine with a 1.33 GHz Atom.
     
  12. Jerry Jackson

    Jerry Jackson Administrator NBR Reviewer

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    Windows Vista starup: 1 minute and 26 seconds (from pressing the power button to being able to do anything)

    Windows 7 startup: 34 seconds

    Oh, and to answer the previous question about passive cooling, our pre-production unit is completely passively cooled. There are air/heat vents to allow heat to escape, but there is no spinning fan to push out the hot air away from the CPU and storage drive.
     
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    scythie I died for your sins.

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    Wow. Gotta love 7. MS, hurry up with that thing. :p well, unless that's untweaked Vista [with all of Sony's usual crap], that's a rather astounding difference.

    Oh, and hopefully these benchmarks while running 7 don't violate the EULA or something. I think I've seen mention of posting benchmarks with the 7 beta aren't allowed? Or something to that effect...
     
  14. Althernai

    Althernai Notebook Virtuoso

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    That's actually not so bad -- I was thinking it's over 2 minutes. It almost looks like they built this thing with Windows 7 in mind -- by summer, the cost will be more in line with other netbooks and the OS will be much more suitable.
     
  15. Lemon

    Lemon Notebook Guru

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    There is a built-in omnidirectional mic. It is located on the bottom left corner of the keyboard.
     
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    If placed in the correct segment the Sony Vaio P isn't an expensive netbook it's a competitively priced MID with a better screen.

    HTC Shift X9500 - $1600 USD
    OQO Model 2 Plus - $1200 to $1580 USD
    ASUS R50A - $1400 USD
    Wibrain i1 - $775 USD
     
  17. Lemon

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    Thanks Jerry for a very well balanced review of the Sony P! It did nothing to dissuade me from buying a Sony P.

    I can see why folks keep complaining about performance, but as you pointed out this is better built and has more screen real estate than anything that even comes close to its size, weight and portability. Plus folks need to keep in mind that the benchmarks are against machines running XP, not Vista. Load Vista on some of those machines and the P might look fast!

    The Fujitsu U810/U820 is the only model that I would consider to be in the same class as the Sony P, but it has a 5.6" screen, you can't touch type on it, its performance lags or is equivalent to the P and it costs just as much or more. Granted, Fujitsu's U series is even more portable than the P, but Sony strikes the better balance between usability and portability.

    I'm also glad you pointed out that it is Microsoft that is to blame for Vista being loaded on this machine, not Sony. They probably needed to reveal the P at CES 09 and did not want to wait until April or May to start shipping units. I am sure Sony will offer a Windows 7 upgrade to P users when it is finally available.

    Thanks again for a great review!
     
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    Leave it to Sony to take something ordinary change the design and sell back as an expensive fashion accessory :p

    Even wider than 16:9 720p, good for movies I guess.. not a bad idea..
     
  19. John Ratsey

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    Thanks for this review. Does the clever magnify function track the users eyeballs? :rolleyes: I wouldn't want to read through any substantial document while also navigating the magnifier.

    The wPrime result is very close to what I measured on the Samsung NC10 when only one thread was enabled, but using two threads dropped the time down from ~175s to ~125s. Does the Z520 CPU support hyperthreading? If so, rerun wPrime with 2 threads.

    However, the PCMark05 score is also surprising low considering the P has the benefit of a SSD. Or maybe it is because of the SSD? The HD Tune result (which is read performance) is down in the HDD range and the write performance of SSDs is usually worth. It would be informative to run some other benchmarks (eg SiSoftware Sandra file system) which measures the write performance.

    John
     
  20. Jerry Jackson

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    We ran the wPrime benchmark multiple times and confirmed that the benchmark was running with 2 threads. The numbers you see are the best numbers we could get from the pre-production unit.

    Honestly, in real-world use the VAIO P wasn't that much more sluggish than a netbook with a 1.6GHz Atom running Windows XP. While the VAIO P was running the Windows 7 beta it felt snappier than netbooks with 1.6GHz Atom processors running Windows XP.

    As for the SSD in our pre-production unit, it certainly doesn't have the best performance of any SSD we've reviewed, but it does give you the benefit of flash-based durability (no moving parts to break when you toss the VAIO P in your car).
     
  21. ImakE

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    I will hang on to my VAIO TZ for a bit longer i think; it will be a while yet before "netbooks" begin to match it in terms of performance.
     
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    John raised a very good point that although the P was equipped with a SSD, all benchmarks still showing lackluster results. Don't mention its stiff price (will cost you $1,200 to own a 64GB SSD model). The $900 model with the slower 1.8" 4200rpm HDD will suffer even more. Every potential buyer should take a note of that.

    Jerry, is it possible to list the manufacture/model of the SSD? Thanks in advance!
     
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    This is unfortunate. IMO, the review should specify the price as reviewed rather than just the base price, particularly if the price increase to get the reviewed configuration is almost 50%. Also, $400 for a 64GB SSD is quite a premium -- I realize it's probably a smaller form factor, but the 2.5" inch ones going for $400 are currently 256 GB.
    I'm leaning towards "overpriced toy".
     
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    That's a fair criticism, and we just added the "price as configured" to the review so no one is confused if they go to the SonyStyle website to order a VAIO P for themselves.
     
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    I'm reminded of the HP 2133 debacle when the reviewers got the $750 model with built-in everything and even then the performance was not up to par.
     
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    Nice review Jerry.

    I will just wait for the refresh of this model, hopefully with Windows 7. In my opinion the greatest dissapointment is the battery life...just 2 hrs and 30 min with the standard battery is unacceptable.
    The P series for now in my opnion is only worth it, if you take the 1.6 or even better the 1.86 ghz CPU.
     
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    Granted, that poor battery life is with continuous use and with the screen at 80% brightness. Most people let their laptops go into sleep mode from time to time and I suspect at least a few people will find the screen to be acceptably bright at 50% brightness.
     
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    Very interesting laptop to say the least. Screen resolution, size, weight, build quality, and pretty good battery life are all pretty good pro's. But the huge price, slow processor and I don't even know which intergrated graphics that uses (must be a good step below the GMA 950), are all pretty big negatives. I installed Vista on my Aspire One and I don't find it laggy or too slow at all, even with 1 gig of ram, although I did v-lite it.

    If you had the money for this little laptop, I can see how it might be a good/fun buy. I'm all for screen real estate.
     
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    Sony has always been known for expensive technology. Sure, they are good products but certainly NOT the best like one would imagine paying "expensive" money for it.
     
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    Conics.net is selling the Japanese 1.86Ghz version but maxed out (GPS, HSDPA, 128GB SSD, etc.), I managed to get it to $2300. Ouch.
     
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    Holy crap.....
     
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    If this could somehow be $400, I'd order one now as a PDA replacement. I'm still tempted :D
     
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    Thanks for the detailed review, Jerry.
    I still don't think the Sony P is worthy enough to be called a "notebook" as it carries almost identical specs to a netbook and still lacks many features of an actual laptop. Maybe a "premium netbook" would be a more accurate description.
     
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    I'm curious how well this/Vista actually support going to sleep and waking up. XP and OS X aren't really good enough to work as a PDA.
     
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    Cute toy :p
     
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    Finally, 2GB ram and a trac point on a netbook!

    I like what I am seeing.
     
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    You can upgrade most to 2GB for super cheap though. The stick thing makes sense!

    And I wonder...does Vista handle sleeping more reliably than XP? If so Vista makes more sense for netbooks anyway, in which case they can just include 2GB and not worry about it.
     
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    I inquired about the same configuration but they could not tell me whether the W Wan module would work in Europe. Do you have any additional info?
     
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    I actually corresponded with the Conics.net folks about it and they were under the impression that the HSDPA/UMTS support would include 850/1900/2100 - I believe this covers both U.S. and EU bands.

    They weren't entirely sure with respect to EDGE/GSM support yet, and in any event are going to update the web site with details when they find out what unit is providing the WWAN support. (They also said these models would not actually be available to order until next month, though they are listed on the site already.)
     
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    So does this have gps?
     
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    It has only been reliably announced for the US. Japan and Great Britain seem not to be equipped with the GPS module. Not sure about other countries.
     
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    MS does not allow manufacturers to include more then a gig with netbooks and XP. Its MS's way to discourage XP and to tone down its performance against vista. But as been said before, the user can add more ram cheap enough. Its just BS that MS does this however. I just hope that MS offers seven as a cheap upgrade for Vista users which will definitely go down as a pathetic bloated pig in comparison to seven. But MS will probably charge over a hundred bucks for an oem copy. :mad:
     
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    Too small for my taste. If I am going to go small, I will just use my cell phone. If I want something bigger, I will use a 12" or 13" notebook.
     
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    The Conics.net listing says that Japanese models with WWAN also include GPS.
     
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    Yea, I know that they say that there's gps, but some people were saying that the gps is actually not a real gps, but requires the phone network too.
    Just wanna make sure
     
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    Thanks a lot, Jerry!

    According to the provided link, it seems that the SSD inside the P is a MLC model. That explained the not so impressive HD Tune result. Guess SONY wants to go cheap on components (atom z520 + gma 500 + mlc ssd) while double/triple the prices above all other competitors at the same time for their "netbook". Way to go, SONY!
     
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    Windows 7 will definitely do wonders for the P. I wouldn't buy one without it included.
     
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    Jerry, what was video performance like under the XMB OS? Also, if you go through the XMB to access the Internet, did Firefox perform batter with streaming video?

    I think these test would be a better indication of how well the hardware handles such tasks without the burden of Vista.
     
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